The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by wormraper

agreed. we don't have any real PROOF that this is the way it's supposed to be or a f@ck up in the encoding process with someone putting a nasty color filter. especially since it appears on only one movie

hopefully Jackson will make a statement one way or the other soon

It's been confirmed.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

These are going to be wonderful and they are the way Jackson intended them to be! That has already been confirmed.

I say the same it is obvious that this is what PJ want the movie to look like. he said at the theaters. BD is the same as the theater version which he approved

Anyone waiting for an error is gonna be severly disappointed. Because this is the way PJ want the movie to look like. This is the directors vision and you better adjust to that or stay clear of this release

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by wormraper

hopefully Jackson will make a statement one way or the other soon

Just curious, if/when Jackson makes a statement and says the color grading on the discs is exactly as he approved it? What then?

Also, on the flipside, if/when Jackon makes a statement and says its incorrect, what then (more for those who don't have an issue with the color grading based on the reviews).


For me, I'm starting to fall into the 2nd scenario down there as we get more and more reviews, and as I mentioned in an above post, until I get the discs in hand and see for myself I can't comment on if I'd partake in a disc exchange program if it were offered.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

- In general the color grade works for the reviewers however there are individual scenes/shots in which the color grade seems off (too much cyan/teal). This isn't the case of the entire film being covered in a "green tint" as some people claimed early on, this is the case of individual shots and scenes.

Originally Posted by 42041
I posted these at blu-ray.com forums, figured I'd post them here too (though it seems like most people are at both places):
Using that white transition as a reference point, I put a bunch of screencaps in one image and applied the same white-balance to them.
I really get the feeling PJ's new color grading and the new teal coloration are separate phenomena.

original caps: http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5...iginallotr.jpg
balanced to that white transition: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3...lancedlotr.jpg

original: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7521/originallotr2.jpg
balanced: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/864/balancedlotr2.jpg

These comparisons posted by 42041 before prove your summary of there being no constant strong green/teal tint is totally wrong.

My regrade, removing your supposedly temporary green tint from the whole film, proves once again that your summary is totally wrong.

When you receive your blu-ray set, seeing as you're so dead set on give $90 to Warner for what are essentially 2 great transfers and one seriously flawed one, with the added bonus of extras we've already seen on dvds we already own, you will realise that you are totally wrong.

Of course, it'll be too late at that point, you'll have handed over $90 of your hard earned cash, $30 for each film, for essentially two correct films and one seriously flawed one. If only you'd be a bit more openminded, you might avoid that fate.

Not all 'professional' reviewers are totally trustworthy/accurate/paragons of virtue and not all screencaps are inaccurate/misleading/manipulated. Just food for thought, for you and others here defending the colour changes to the death.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Just curious, if/when Jackson makes a statement and says the color grading on the discs is exactly as he approved it? What then?

Also, on the flipside, if/when Jackon makes a statement and says its incorrect, what then (more for those who don't have an issue with the color grading based on the reviews).


For me, I'm starting to fall into the 2nd scenario down there as we get more and more reviews, and as I mentioned in an above post, until I get the discs in hand and see for myself I can't comment on if I'd partake in a disc exchange program if it were offered.

well, being that the Director is technically the master of his film... I may not like it , but I have to accept it

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by mredman

also want this. But i still got no doubt in my mind what is on the EE BD is what PJ intended it to look like

I am still not clear where you stand on this issue, could you please clarify? As for me and many others, we are not convinced this blu ray is as intended and some sort of official word from the man himself would be ideal to put closure to this confusion.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

You really see Green/Teal in every single one of the screenshots included in the blu-ray review?

Yes, I see the tint in every single one of these images. However, the ones where it's most visible are those with blue sky or snow. But if you know what to look for you see it in all the others, too. The image as a subtle but unnatural touch in all of them.

Originally Posted by Cowboy

It's been confirmed.

No, it hasn't. All we have is a indirect statement from someone not directly involved in the mastering process. Otherwise please link Peter Jackson's or Andrew Lesnie's statement of confirmation. Those will be the only confirmations I'd accept (but if they do I'd still accuse them to be stupid.)

Originally Posted by mredman

You better believe it. PJ approved these. There is no doubt in my mind

And do you seriously see green tint here?

http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f10.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f22.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f20.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f18.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f16.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f8.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f6.jpg
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f4.jpg

Again, yes, in all of them.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

These comparisons posted by 42041 before prove your summary of there being no constant strong green tint is totally wrong.

My regrade, removing your supposedly temporary green tint from the whole film, proves once again that your summary is totally wrong.

When you receive your blu-ray set, seeing as you're so dead set on give $90 to Warner for what are essentially 2 great transfers and one seriously flawed one, with the added bonus of extras we've already seen on dvds we already own, you will realise that you are totally wrong.

Of course, it'll be too late at that point, you'll have handed over $90 of your hard earned cash, $30 for each film, for essentially two correct films and one seriously flawed one. If only you'd be a bit more openminded, you might avoid that fate.

Not all 'professional' reviewers are totally trustworthy/accurate/paragons of virtue and not all screencaps are inaccurate/misleading/manipulated. Just food for thought, for you and others here defending the colour changes to the death.

You keep coming back to your regrade; what makes your regrade more correct than that of Peter Jackson (assuming the discs are as he approved)?

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

You keep coming back to your regrade; what makes your regrade more correct than that of Peter Jackson (assuming the discs are as he approved)?

Maybe because it looks a lot better? No green puke all over the image.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by mredman

There is no color issue - PJ approved this new version of FOTR and it is WAY better then the TE. This is what PJ WANTS the movie to look like. You can take it or leave it.

You continue to not pay attention. Read Ken's review (10 times, if that's what it takes for you to understand)... a lot can happen between the color timing that Peter Jackson supposedly approved and the time the movie gets put on the Blu-ray. And the idea that something may have happened is reinforced by the folks that saw FOTR EE in the theater a few nights ago and said they did NOT see this teal/green/cyan tinting.

Happily, thanks in part to Ken's thorough review of the subject, I believe Warner Brothers' hand will be forced and they will have to address the issue. Of, at least they better address it. There are a lot of people that will NOT be buying the set specifically because the first film looks so wrong.

Mark

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I am still not clear where you stand on this issue, could you please clarify? As for me and many others, we are not convinced this blu ray is as intended and some sort of official word from the man himself would be ideal to put closure to this confusion.

I just want this whole debate to end. But i still got no doubt in my mind that the transfer that is on the BD. Is the way PJ want the movie to look like.

It would just be good to have a confirmation. But it is obvious the transfer that is on the BD is the transfer PJ approved. Ken even mentioned in his review it is very unlikely there is an error on the discs. So PJ definitely approved this and it is the same as the one running in the theaters. but it still wouldbe nice with a confirmation.
But i know i am right that he gave the OK for this transfer it is his new intended look he want the movie to look like.

What will those that do not like the coloring do when it will be announced that the BD is the REAL deal. will they decide not to buy it and don't accept what PJ has done to the movie

You know IMO i think this new coloing and detail is WAY better then the TE BD.

[MerrickG]

I want to thank Ken Brown for his excellent review and I very much appreciate his opinion on the subject. He was clearly more critical of the color changes than Bill Hunt or Robert Harris and that is his right and opinion.

He did make a few comments that made me very happy and this is the one that I was expecting

Originally Posted by Ken Brown FotR review

However, it isn't nearly as unsettling a change in motion as it might appear in screenshots cropping up across the internet. The bulk of these various images are fairly accurate, but single frames and side-by-side comparisons fail to demonstrate how the affected scenes are comfortably nestled in the fabric of Jackson and Lesnie's most recent color grading.

In otherwords, screenshots were exaggerated and it makes me as excited about this set as ever.

For those of you that are cancelling your preorders:

I hope you enjoy the DNR/EE riddled 480p dvds.

Ill be seeing and hearing these films in the absolute best possible quality!

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by MEB

You continue to not pay attention. Read Ken's review (10 times, if that's what it takes for you to understand)... a lot can happen between the color timing that Peter Jackson supposedly approved and the time the movie gets put on the Blu-ray. And the idea that something may have happened is reinforced by the folks that saw FOTR EE in the theater a few nights ago and said they did NOT see this teal/green/cyan tinting.

Happily, thanks in part to Ken's thorough review of the subject, I believe Warner Brothers' hand will be forced and they will have to address the issue. Of, at least they better address it. There are a lot of people that will NOT be buying the set specifically because the first film looks so wrong.

Mark

There will NOT be a lot of people who change their decision to buy.

Just like the number of lost sales from only putting the special editions of Star Wars will not be significant.

Most people who love these films DO NOT CARE about such things. They just want the film on bluray.

Thats where the majority of consumers come from.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I dunno, all the screencaps I've seen in these reviews look exactly like what I watched on Tuesday night - so it definitely doesn't seem like there's any kind of problem exclusive to the BD. Without comparing to the originals, I really like the look of pretty much all those caps except the shot of the hobbits in the snow (the "what about breakfast?" scene). That has a distinct overcast of green which does look kind of odd to me (I noticed it on Tuesday as well). The shots on Caradhras look fine to me though (the snow looks white to me, sky looks blue too). Overall, I'm pleased with the image, so I will still buy.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by darthfrede

Long time lurker... finally found something worthy of your time to ask.

Does this bluray release retain the "Fan Club Charter Members"-credits following the proper end credits of each film?

Hoping it does... expecting it won't.

I'd have to double check, but I'm 98% sure it did

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Maybe because it looks a lot better? No green puke all over the image.

That's your opinion; maybe you missed understood the question so I'll try and rephrase it for you.


Why is, that the color regrade* the was approved by the director (Peter Jackson) is wrong. And the color regrade made by some random dude on the internet (kingkong650) is correct.

In your opinion you can like the look/feel of one more than the other; but that doesn't make it correct.

* Again, this stems from the assumption that the color grading shown on legit discs, is what Peter Jackson approved.

At this time we don't have confirmation one way or the other, but we're currently operating that it is, until told otherwise.

[Grand Bob]

Ken's review is the most thorough and considered that I have seen for any film. I don't have Fellowship yet, but the word that comes to my mind whenever I see any of the stills is "dull". The extra detail is great, but there is no more life or light in those scenes. The new color scheme was a bad decision. Rivendell has lost its magic; it is now "just another locale".

[Truewitt]

It would be unusual for talent not to have at least looked at compression tests for the discs, which would have shown the wrong color, if so. If nobody looked at them, then Peter Jackson obviously doesn't really care what they look like.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by mredman

I just want this whole debate to end.

There's only one way to end this debate: Getting a statement from PJ or AL.
Of course, if they confirm the changes I doubt the debate will end anyway.

What I want is for this to serve as a wake up call to the movie industry stating in clear and unambiguous terms that WE ARE SICK OF EVERY FILM LOOKING GREEN!

It's bad enough that most new films look like being puked all over but having this applied to older films as well that looked good before is a trend that needs to stop here and now!

[mredman]

Originally Posted by MEB

You continue to not pay attention. Read Ken's review (10 times, if that's what it takes for you to understand)... a lot can happen between the color timing that Peter Jackson supposedly approved and the time the movie gets put on the Blu-ray. And the idea that something may have happened is reinforced by the folks that saw FOTR EE in the theater a few nights ago and said they did NOT see this teal/green/cyan tinting.

Happily, thanks in part to Ken's thorough review of the subject, I believe Warner Brothers' hand will be forced and they will have to address the issue. Of, at least they better address it. There are a lot of people that will NOT be buying the set specifically because the first film looks so wrong.

Mark

So my question to you did you read his review through because this is what he said:

Both Peter Jackson and director of photography Andrew Lesnie have confirmed that these sometimes drastic changes were intentional and were made under their supervision

I would remind you, though, that this is Peter Jackson's extended cut; he's always made it clear that his extended cuts are not his Director's Cuts, nor the versions of the films he considers canon or sacrosanct. They are meant to supplement, not supplant, the theatrical cuts. Lest we forget, the extended editions have been an exercise in revisionism since their inception. Seeing as the color changes weren't made to the theatrical versions last year -- effectively preserving Jackson's original vision -- that should take some of the sting out of the issue.

Which brings us to the doorstep of a more troubling, albeit less likely possiblity: that while Jackson and Lesnie did indeed make changes to the film's color timing and did indeed approve the subsequent transfer, something happened between the transfer leaving their offices and arriving on store shelves. A transfer isn't simply approved, dumped on a disc and issued to an adoring public. There are a number of steps in the post-filmmaker-approval process that could, hypothetically, lead to an error resulting in the kind of issue that's being discussed
Again, do I think it's likely in this case? I'm leaning towards "no,"


"Did you see LESS LIKELY and leaning towards no?"


Yes there is still doubt. but the doubt is 1%. And certain that the EE BD is the intended look is 99%