The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by blu2

Bill Hunt said nothing about Jackson approving the BD picture.

He said the check discs, which is the authored file contained on the production BD.

[blu2]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

He said the check discs, which is the authored file contained on the production BD.

Hunt didn't say Jackson approved those though. He said the had confirmation that the cinematographer did so.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3823134

[crushilista]

I think the movies look great.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

What? Does this set not have the trailers in HD?

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

What? Does this set not have the trailers in HD?

Nope, one of those features on the Theatrical Editions only.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Jackson made a point not to repeat extra features on the original dvd sets, and that is replicated here.

[Maggot]

Let me play with this a bit from another point. Let's take an established artist like Billy Joel. Perhaps you bought one of his albums a long time ago, then it gets remastered in high-def 5.1 on SACD as we have seen with a few. The mix is not what you remember it to be, with parts showing up in the rear speakers and so forth. Or perhaps more emphasis on certain instruments comes through then before. Do we as comsumers get our undies up in a bunch over that? Now grant you, there is a stereo option as well with these SACD's, so you can hear it without the subdivision as it were. In any case, most 5.1 high-def mixes are considered very good and really open up as well as intimatize the music. It's generally that small group of "two ears-two speakers" purists who don't like the multichannel mixes. Now here we have a color tonality change in a movie that was not there before OR has shifted to a different hue. As demonstrated, we seen older versions of the movie have a pinkish tonality to the snow that are now green. In nature, there are times when a pink or warm tone happen, like in sunset/sunrise. The blue cast in outdoor scenes can also happen when you are dealing with a lot of ice and clouds. Those of us who are into still photography and Photoshop are always looking at tonality and color temp, so still captures, regardless of how many say they are not that important, are actually very important and let you see what's going on on a more intimate level. I think perhaps the bigger and possibly underlying issue here is actually that most people find the shift to green, or whatever "like" hue you wish to call it, one that appears to detriment to the picture itself. I personally agree with those who have said that this color timing has somewhat deadened the look of the film. It just doesn't shine as much anymore. Going back and using music as an example, say your listening to your favorite song and someone comes along and cranks up the higher frequencies of the graphic EQ in your system or perhaps just the treble knob. In any case, it would sound tinny and wrong. Yes, in the end it's a matter of personal preference, but some things or in this case some scenes just look outright wrong. Snow, particularily out in the sun, is NOT green. Sure there are movies like Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report and The Matrix that use color hues throughout the movie to express a feeling. The destruction and bleekness of war comes through even more in SPR with it's color hue. Same with the techno-bleekness and unhuman nature of the machines in the Matrix. The coldness of a world with a "big-brother" type security modality in Minority report. It works when it works folks. We know this. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work for Fellowship........

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Maggot

Let me play with this a bit from another point. Let's take an established artist like Billy Joel. Perhaps you bought one of his albums a long time ago, then it gets remastered in high-def 5.1 on SACD as we have seen with a few. The mix is not what you remember it to be, with parts showing up in the rear speakers and so forth. Or perhaps more emphasis on certain instruments comes through then before. Do we as comsumers get our undies up in a bunch over that? Now grant you, there is a stereo option as well with these SACD's, so you can hear it without the subdivision as it were. In any case, most 5.1 high-def mixes are considered very good and really open up as well as intimatize the music. It's generally that small group of "two ears-two speakers" purists who don't like the multichannel mixes. Now here we have a color tonality change in a movie that was not there before OR has shifted to a different hue. As demonstrated, we seen older versions of the movie have a pinkish tonality to the snow that are now green. In nature, there are times when a pink or warm tone happen, like in sunset/sunrise. The blue cast in outdoor scenes can also happen when you are dealing with a lot of ice and clouds. Those of us who are into still photography and Photoshop are always looking at tonality and color temp, so still captures, regardless of how many say they are not that important, are actually very important and let you see what's going on on a more intimate level. I think perhaps the bigger and possibly underlying issue here is actually that most people find the shift to green, or whatever "like" hue you wish to call it, one that appears to detriment to the picture itself. I personally agree with those who have said that this color timing has somewhat deadened the look of the film. It just doesn't shine as much anymore. Going back and using music as an example, say your listening to your favorite song and someone comes along and cranks up the higher frequencies of the graphic EQ in your system or perhaps just the treble knob. In any case, it would sound tinny and wrong. Yes, in the end it's a matter of personal preference, but some things or in this case some scenes just look outright wrong. Snow, particularily out in the sun, is NOT green. Sure there are movies like Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report and The Matrix that use color hues throughout the movie to express a feeling. The destruction and bleekness of war comes through even more in SPR with it's color hue. Same with the techno-bleekness and unhuman nature of the machines in the Matrix. The coldness of a world with a "big-brother" type security modality in Minority report. It works when it works folks. We know this. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work for Fellowship........

Wait until you the disc for yourselfs and then repeat that statement.

[little flower]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Jackson made a point not to repeat extra features on the original dvd sets, and that is replicated here.

One good thing about that is people like me who want both versions of these films on Vhs and Dvd and Blu-ray have all kinds of extra stuff

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Wait until you the disc for yourselfs and then repeat that statement.

I don't need to, it's plainly visable in the screenshots. The green color hue and it's "dead" affect on the picture. Best case scenerio, one could always do some calibration on their screen and save that profile as "Fellowship Foul Up". That way, at least you get the better definition that this release does have and you can get the CORRECT base coloring on your own. It's too bad it's come down to that, but it's an option I suppose......

[frogmort]

Well, I've finally decided that I'm definitely not going to buy this. There is no way that Peter Jackson or Andrew Lesnie intended only the extended edition blu-ray of 'The Fellowship Of The Ring' to be devoid of pure white, and for the whole film to have a cyan tint over the entire image from beginning to end. It may not be excessively bad, but I honestly can't see how that could've been done deliberately.

This is my favorite version, of my favorite films, and I am deeply disappointed with this whole situation. I am not trying to convince anyone else of my opinion, I'm just sharing it. I honestly hope that everyone that loves these movies is satisfied with whatever choice they make.

[Archangel630]

Originally Posted by mredman

But there is NO color issues if PJ approved the changes. Even Ken says it is very unlikely that there is an error made on the transfer. What you are getting is what PJ want the movie to look like. And the snow is not green. Don't be ridiculous. The sky is still blue and snow is still white. Which you can definitely see in these screenshots

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...29&position=10
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...29&position=17
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f18.jpg

If you still see green show here or green sky instead of blue sky and white snow. You better check your eyes





Again if you think you also see green snow here you better check your eyes

http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f18.jpg
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...29&position=17

Yes this shot does not look good:
http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f28.jpg

But IMO this is the only shot i do not agree on. But other then that this transfer is almost perfect

Certainly isn't white though is it? Or maybe you need your eyes checked...

[georgec]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the comparison shots at this site are informative: http://blubrew.com/2011/06/16/the-fe...ended-edition/

I really like the theatrical/original color palette much more than the revised EE BR. The former just feels so natural, especially considering the great lengths to which Jackson went to ground these movies in real settings and landscapes.

[Karl Murks]

After seeing the fade to white comparison shots there is no f*cking way I'll ever buy this set!

I don't care if the cinematographer or the director or God himself approved it, it looks like shit and I'll continue to say that.

And I also reserve the right to accuse anyone who approves this of having bad sight, even if it's someone directly involved in the production. This is not the film I have watched for 10 years and it's not the film I am going to watch the next 10 years.

Whatever motivated this change it's wrong and it's even more wrong to accept having it shoved down one's throat.

And no, the confirmation will not end the shitstorm. I got the feeling it will only help to fuel it because making an error is forgivable but intentionally destroying the visuals of a film is ignorant to the nth degree.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Maggot

The green color hue and it's "dead" affect on the picture. Best case scenerio, one could always do some calibration on their screen and save that profile as "Fellowship Foul Up". That way, at least you get the better definition that this release does have and you can get the CORRECT base coloring on your own. It's too bad it's come down to that, but it's an option I suppose......

It's just too bad that most commercial TVs do not have this kind of color correction options. Mine just has 'warm', 'neutral' and 'cold' and none would help here. Warm pushes yellow and Cold pushes blue but none reduces green.

So most viewers are forced to accept the bad colors with the hardware at their disposal.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by georgec

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the comparison shots at this site are informative: http://blubrew.com/2011/06/16/the-fe...ended-edition/

I really like the theatrical/original color palette much more than the revised EE BR. The former just feels so natural, especially considering the great lengths to which Jackson went to ground these movies in real settings and landscapes.

Yea, and what's so appearent these days is it seems ever since The Matrix did the whole yello/green color tint, now everybody else has to do it to in some form or another. Over the years, I've seen so many movies that employ these schewed color hues throughout the picture for the purpose of being "artistic", when actually the whole thing has become so prevelant that it's really a fad and for the most part, a tasteless one. There was a time where you didn't see this sort of crap, when people just shot movies "as is" and it looked great. It looked, as you say, normal. It looked alive. Now it's more like watching with tinted glasses. The new color timing has muddied what was once a lively place within a great movie. Perhaps Jackson smoked just a little bit too much of the magic green weed...

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

After seeing the fade to white comparison shots there is no f*cking way I'll ever buy this set!

I don't care if the cinematographer or the director or God himself approved it, it looks like shit and I'll continue to say that.

And I also reserve the right to accuse anyone who approves this of having bad sight, even if it's someone directly involved in the production. This is not the film I have watched for 10 years and it's not the film I am going to watch the next 10 years.

Whatever motivated this change it's wrong and it's even more wrong to accept having it shoved down one's throat.

And no, the confirmation will not end the shitstorm. I got the feeling it will only help to fuel it because making an error is forgivable but intentionally destroying the visuals of a film is ignorant to the nth degree.

BRAVO! Why on earth in this day and age would you believe any of these sources coming from the movie industry. SERIOUSLY. They are as corrupt as politicians. Your best source is passionate movie watching people who have little to nothing to do with the industry. Get the dope from people on the outside, not from "official" sources. WTF does that mean anymore......I'll tell you ......NOTHING!

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Maggot

Get the dope from people on the outside, not from "official" sources. WTF does that mean anymore......I'll tell you ......NOTHING!

So what? Even if there was a direct and official confirmation that wouldn't change anything about my view. The new colors are puke-inducingly bad, approved or not and for my taste are not even remotely acceptable.

[JamesKurtovich]

Wait.. they changed the colors? WTF!

LOTR has always had certain scenes with excessive saturation but it always balanced out with the natural, Middle-Earth scenes.

This set looks awesome. I hope they didn't botch it. I hope the difference isn't major.

Edit: The screenshots on the review page look good. A little dark but that's it...

[Petyr_Baelish]

I have now grown a hatred for this remaster. especially with all the people defending it. And it has nothing to do with spiting them. Its for the simple fact that I am now feeling like I'm one of the few who really really appreciated the film as it was in 2001. I knew nothing of the lord of the rings when I went to see it back then. I remember being at school and some girls were talking about how much they enjoyed it. My mother also expressed some interest in seeing it. So I thought, hey maybe I should see it. I had no idea what to expect from this film and when I came back I was blown away by the epic beauty of it, as well as the epic storytelling. I liked movies before, things like star wars were interesting enough, but after the fellowship I loved movies. The fellowship was a beautiful and amazing ride of which I had never, nor will ever experience any thing like it again. This dark, green and dreary mess of a picture is nothing like I remember it. i really wanted to buy this set, so i tried to rationalize these changes, but I just can't anymore. So I won't buy this set, because I am a real fan of these films.