The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by retablo

EEs are different films. They look like this.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Even the trailer on the official website has the NEW color timing, because the snow scene is in it. So its obvious this is how its supposed to look.

No, they look like this now.

They have always been identical to the originals. They were meant to be a hugely expanded version of the original presentations to cater to hardcore fans (something that up until that point was virtually unprecedented.) They were identical in every respect when it came to soundtrack, color timing, etc.

This is not the EE's original color timing. If they had suddenly changed the soundtrack you could say "EE's are different films. They sound like this." Sure, they sound like this.... now.

I'm not debating whether or not it's "supposed" to look like this. I have no idea whether or not PJ approved this... that's all speculation and honestly that doesn't change how I feel about it either way. I just think it's a shame they didn't preserve the original presentation of the EE - That's the complaint.

People want it as it was originally presented. The same goes for Star Wars, and many other movies that fall victim to revisionism. I love this movie how I originally saw it, that's the version I want and that's the version I think it's most important to preserve.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

How come they didn't look like this way on DVD and instead resembled the TE color timing. They had the tools back then to color grade the film the way we are now seeing it.

Wasn't FotR one of the first to get color timings on this level, for an entire film?

I believe I read somewhere in this thread (now whether that was a factual statement or just some user's personal opinion I have NO idea) that FotR was more like an experiment for PJ and Co. and by the time TT was out they had a much better understanding.

Given how it seems most directors want to "correct" (or tinker/adjust) their previous works whenever they're given the chance, maybe they felt the original timings didn't work with the others like they had hoped?

Or maybe Ken (or was it his wife?) called it, with PJ wanting the trilogy to better fit into the color timings of The Hobbit?

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I'm not debating whether or not it's "supposed" to look like this. I have no idea whether or not PJ approved this... that's all specualtion and honestly that doesn't change how I feel about it. I just think it's a shame they didn't preserve the original presentation of the EE - That's the complaint.

People want it as it was originally presented. The same goes for Star Wars, and many other movies that fall victim to revisionism.

And it's a 100% valid argument, though like SW I believe that crowd is going to lose out on their desire in the end; but that doesn't mean you have to be happy about it.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

How come the Extended Edition didn't look like this on DVD and instead resembled the TE color timing. They had the tools back then to color grade the film the way we are now seeing it.

Spot on question......

[SleeperAgent]

I think everyone just needs to calm down with a good pipe of Old Toby.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I think everyone just needs to calm down with a good pipe of Old Toby.

I am just so very sad this happened.

[Velmeran]

Stinky,

In an ideal world would the best outcome/solution for you be one like this:

We got a release of LotR EE's with the revised color timings (to reflect these new changes PJ and Co. have approved) and with a version that contained the original color timings as seen on the DVD's initially?

Or would you just rather have the original color timings as seen on the DVD's and have nothing to do with the new ones?

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Wasn't FotR one of the first to get color timings on this level, for an entire film?

I believe I read somewhere in this thread (now whether that was a factual statement or just some user's personal opinion I have NO idea) that FotR was more like an experiment for PJ and Co. and by the time TT was out they had a much better understanding.

The argument that they didn't fully understand what they were doing and now that they do, they are revising their choices might be true for some scenes. However, did you read that quote I posted about how much thought they put into color grading Hobbiton? They did a complete 180 on that decision for this Blu Ray.

So we got the classic reveal of Hobbiton. We didn’t set out to do that much to the shot but even though it’s Hobbiton you would expect that you would actually want to add green, but what we found to give a really warm kind of feel to it is we in fact take green out, a little bit of magenta tends to permeate in, which then sends some of the grays slightly magenta… and then what we do is take some of those magentas and then sort of swing it into a gold world. And as you can see, it starts to put more of a spread into the grass and you know you can just see the different sort of layers happening there and gives a kind of the warm feel that is Hobbiton.

Maybe you are right that they have revised the color scheme to better fit The Hobbit. While I don't think anyone is saying it's not within his right to do (okay, maybe some are, but I'm not), it's a slippery slope when directors start tinkering with their works many years later, especially works that are as beloved and scrutinized as these films.

[SleeperAgent]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

I am just so very sad this happened.

I understand that to the fullest. But everyone bickering isn't going to make it better. If I were of your belief that the transfer is so flawed, I would be rallying those who agree to mass email your displeasure to the company. Arguing with members here will serve to no helpful end.

(And I am aware they argue first, or back, but that's a different story)

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Stinky,

In an ideal world would the best outcome/solution for you be one like this:

We got a release of LotR EE's with the revised color timings (to reflect these new changes PJ and Co. have approved) and with a version that contained the original color timings as seen on the DVD's initially?

Or would you just rather have the original color timings as seen on the DVD's and have nothing to do with the new ones?

So long as they released the original it wouldn't bother me in the slightest what other version they released alongside it. So long as the original was released I wouldn't care if PJ replaced Frodo with a hamster. A beautiful, green hamster.

[beefytwinkie]

After reading through this thread and the blu-ray.com review and seeing the screenshots, I have to say I kind of like the new color timing. So far it looks much different from the Extended Edition DVDs I have.

I'll reserve my final judgment for the day I watch the Fellowship in its entirety. Who knows, perhaps in the future I will watch the version I am in the mood for. I'll have two to choose from. : )

I also got three of them from Borders when they had that 50% promotion to give away as gifts. My peeps are going to love it!

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I understand that to the fullest. But everyone bickering isn't going to make it better. If I were of your belief that the transfer is so flawed, I would be rallying those who agree to mass email your displeasure to the company. Arguing with members here will serve to no helpful end.

(And I am aware they argue first, or back, but that's a different story)

Well, I complained to the warner bros store when I canceled my preorder, so I did something else. But talking here can also help.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

The argument that they didn't fully understand what they were doing and now that they do, they are revising their choices might be true for some scenes. However, did you read that quote I posted about how much thought they put into color grading Hobbiton? They did a complete 180 on that decision for this Blu Ray.

Maybe you are right that they have revised the color scheme to better fit The Hobbit. While I don't think anyone is saying it's not within his right to do (okay, maybe some are, but I'm not), it's a slippery slope when directors start tinkering with their works, especially works that are as beloved and scrutinized as these films.

I read the quote you posted before --- what part of the EE Bonus features was that in (not sure I ever watched them again after the first viewing).

Until we get a statement from PJ I don't think we'll know, based on that preview from theonering.net that someone posted, it sounds like there will be an introduction to the films by PJ beforehand -- maybe it was mentioned there ---- though if that were the case, I guess Ken probably would have mentioned it? Maybe that part (the PJ introduction) was just before the theatrical one-night runs?

For me, I always felt Hobbiton and Rivendell were too gold for my likings, which is probably why I really like the new color timings for those scenes, based on the screenshots we've gotten thus far, but again, I understand why some of you guys are upset about the change.


Edit: Oh random though, does anyone else think we won't be getting a statement from PJ until much closer to the release date, if not right after it?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

I read the quote you posted before --- what part of the EE Bonus features was that in (not sure I ever watched them again after the first viewing).

YouTube - ‪Digital Grading ('From Vision to Reality' documentary)‬‏

The specific quote he posted is 3:45 into that, but the whole thing is good.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

I read the quote you posted before --- what part of the EE Bonus features was that in (not sure I ever watched them again after the first viewing).

Until we get a statement from PJ I don't think we'll know, based on that preview from theonering.net that someone posted, it sounds like there will be an introduction to the films by PJ beforehand -- maybe it was mentioned there ---- though if that were the case, I guess Ken probably would have mentioned it? Maybe that part (the PJ introduction) was just before the theatrical one-night runs?

For me, I always felt Hobbiton and Rivendell were too gold for my likings, which is probably why I really like the new color timings for those scenes, based on the screenshots we've gotten thus far, but again, I understand why some of you guys are upset about the change.

Not sure the exact part on the DVDs, but the sequence is readily available on YoutTube.

YouTube - ‪LOTR Digital Color Grading Part 1 of 2‬‏

After watching it, you can see how meticulous and thoughtful they were with coloring each scene of the film. That is why it flabbergasts me that they would change their minds to the degree they did.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

If so many people had not complained about the excessive DNR in the Theatrical BD for literally months straight it likely would not have received a remaster. Same for Gladiator.

Feedback is important when it comes to improving a product. Sometimes if you don't like something it's better to speak up than to just ignore it.

Complaining might bother people who feel protective for whatever reason about a product or brand name, but much of the time it causes the source of the complaints to be fixed. It serves a more important purpose than just venting frustration. If it annoys you it's probably more reasonable for you to ignore the complaints rather than to expect the complainers to ignore the product.

I have no problem with someone complaining, that can be ignored and if it's disturb me so much that is my problem and not the guy complaining. I may not understand it mostly because I just see them as movies and not a life and death situation. Some people make it look and sound like their entire life is in ruined and they can't ever be happy again because of it, drama queen much . However to make a comment like the poster I replied to saying a law should be made to prevent directors and producers to modify their movie is not only silly but stupid. It's like I said if you guys have to right to complain, the directors have the right to make the changes.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

I am just so very sad this happened.

A lot of us are Biggest blu ray issue to date for me.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Not sure the exact part on the DVDs, but the sequence is readily available on YoutTube.

YouTube - ‪LOTR Digital Color Grading Part 1 of 2‬‏

After watching it, you can see how meticulous and thoughtful they were with coloring each scene of the film. That is why it flabbergasts me that they would change their minds to the degree they did.

It makes no sense at all. All that work for nothing.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

It's like I said if you guys have to right to complain, the directors have the right to make the changes.

Just as they of course have a right to make changes, we have an equal right to complain - and continue complaining unless we get an acceptable response. We even have a right to tell a director that he made a bad choice by changing things.

And for many people here the green looks like puke that utterly destroys the film. I consider this product defective, no matter what, and will act accordingly, i.e.not buy it.

That as a reminder to the 'shut up and accept what the director approved' crowd!

[Petyr_Baelish]

ugh, look at this video and tell me there isn't something wrong with this transfer...

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Aragon vs Uruk-hai Leader (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

[Petyr_Baelish]

And behold the turquoise river...

YouTube - ‪The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy:Extended Edition The Fellowship of The Ring-Great River‬‏