The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

That would be these scenes, as quoted by the Wikipedia article on the movies, which is another previously unreleased special feature I would expect to be included with the EE's.

Deleted scenes

Many filmed scenes remain unused, even in the Extended Editions. Deletions include:



Sauron fighting Aragorn at the Black Gate. A computer-generated Troll was placed over Sauron due to Jackson feeling the scene was inappropriate. Sauron is also seen in a beautiful form as Annatar, Giver of Gifts.[19]

Wow!

I thought that Aragorn/Sauron scrap was just a silly internet rumor.

I guess not.

I am very surprised that it made it to the filming stage.

[Miadaskate]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Wow!

I thought that Aragorn/Sauron scrap was just a silly internet rumor.

Well, it is from Wikipedia, so...

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Wow!

I thought that Aragorn/Sauron scrap was just a silly internet rumor.

I guess not.

I am very surprised that it made it to the filming stage.

A fair amount of the deleted scenes would provide comic relief. I was looking forward to seeing Arwen as a warrior at Helm's Deep.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Wow!

I thought that Aragorn/Sauron scrap was just a silly internet rumor.

I guess not.

I am very surprised that it made it to the filming stage.

You actually see bits of the original, and they discuss it in the special features on EE DVD of ROTK. Also, the light Aragorn sees right before he charges the Black Gate was originally Sauron coming out in his original beuatiful elven form and he tries to glammering Aragorn into surrendering. This was the form Sauron first used to trick the elves. Aragorn has none of it and charges him when he does Sauron takes on his true evil form and attacks Aragorn. When they scrapped this idea, they kept the bits that they could use and changed it so that it looks like the eye is shinning on Aragorn. That bit is also discussed and shown in the special features on the EE ROTK DVD.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Cook

You actually see bits of the original, and they discuss it in the special features on EE DVD of ROTK. Also, the light Aragorn sees right before he charges the Black Gate was originally Sauron coming out in his original beuatiful elven form and he tries to glammering Aragorn into surrendering. This was the form Sauron first used to trick the elves. Aragorn has none of it and charges him when he does Sauron takes on his true evil form and attacks Aragorn. When they scrapped this idea, they kept the bits that they could use and changed it so that it looks like the eye is shinning on Aragorn. That bit is also discussed and shown in the special features on the EE ROTK DVD.

That would have been bad because Tolkien made it clear that Sauron was unable to ever obtain a fair form after the destruction of Numenor, which happened over three thousand years previous to those events. It was fortunate that scene wasn't put into the released version.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

That would have been bad because Tolkien made it clear that Sauron was unable to ever obtain a fair form after the destruction of Numenor, which happened over three thousand years previous to those events. It was fortunate that scene wasn't put into the released version.

Yeah, Jackson decided it was going to far away from Tolkien so they removed it. There motivation for doing it was that most films have a showdown between the villian and hero, and they were afraid people would be upset if Sauron never faces Aragorn. In the end, though, Jackson decided to forgo story conventions and stick with the source. Thank god Jackson didn't go with the status quo and respected the source. It's funny they mention that they could feel Tolkien rolling over in his grave at the idea.

[Brightstar]

I just hope they put the whole movie on one disk fingers crossed

[mikrobitz]

I dont care if its 1 or 2-discs per movie as long as it doesnt affect quality. However I hope it will be on 2-discs as it will less likely mean quality loss since there will be no "space" issues, also I like the little disc-change-break in the middle in a long movie such as this (everyone can keep their food/drink/bathroom break at the same time.).

But... just gief release date already!! I cant wait! I almost started watching extended Fellowship fom DVD yeaterday but managed to resist as I wanna "save that" for the BD. It's been few years since I last time properly watched these movies.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

That would have been bad because Tolkien made it clear that Sauron was unable to ever obtain a fair form after the destruction of Numenor, which happened over three thousand years previous to those events. It was fortunate that scene wasn't put into the released version.

Originally Posted by Cook

Yeah, Jackson decided it was going too far away from Tolkien so they removed it. There motivation for doing it was that most films have a showdown between the villian and hero, and they were afraid people would be upset if Sauron never faces Aragorn. In the end, though, Jackson decided to forgo story conventions and stick with the source. Thank god Jackson didn't go with the status quo and respected the source. It's funny they mention that they could feel Tolkien rolling over in his grave at the idea.

How do I insert the "double facepalm" picture?

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

That would be these scenes, as quoted by the Wikipedia article on the movies, which is another previously unreleased special feature I would expect to be included with the EE's.

Deleted scenes

Many filmed scenes remain unused, even in the Extended Editions. Deletions include:

The Fellowship of the Ring

Dialogue from the Council of Elrond, such as Gandalf explaining how Sauron forged the One Ring.[10]
An attack by Orcs from Moria on Lothlórien after the Fellowship leaves Moria. Jackson replaced this with a more suspenseful entrance for the Fellowship. Much of the lost footage can be seen as promotional material on The Fellowship of the Ring theatrical DVD and tie-in books, documentary footage on the Extended Editions, and Trading Cards.

Frodo seeing more parts of Middle-earth when he put the Ring on.[10]

The Two Towers

More Arwen footage, including a flashback scene of her first meeting with a beardless Aragorn (seen in The Two Towers trailer).

The Return of the King

Sam using the Light of Eärendil to pass the Watchers at Cirith Ungol.

Further epilogue footage, including that of Legolas and Gimli, as well as Éowyn and Faramir's wedding and Aragorn's death and funeral.[33]
Peter Jackson has stated that he would like to include some of these unused scenes in a future "Ultimate Edition" home video release (probably high-definition) of the film trilogy. They will not be re-inserted into the movies but available for viewing separately. This edition will also include outtakes.[34]

Gandalf talking about Sauron at the Council would have been good to include in the EEs.

Frodo vision when standing on Amon Hen was different in the movies than the books. That would have been a welcome inclusion, too.

The attack by Orcs on Lorien was mentioned in the Tale of Years in the appendix. Not necessary, but at least it was something Tolkien wrote.

Same with Arwen and Aragorn's firsst meeting. (meaning it was in the Appendix)

Sam using the Phial of Galadriel against the watchers was actually in the books. Should have been included in the EEs.

Aragorn's death was another item in the Appendix.

Jackson could have put in the Sam/Phial scene and edited the Gandalf/Witch-king scene to match the book.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

Nothing wrong with that....but i guess sometimes i feel like a DVD/BR horder...really should try and sell some of my DVD's

I am too, especially when it comes to these movies... I still have my TE DVD's even though I bought the BD's, I will keep the EE DVD's even though I buy the EE BD's, I guess when I actually get my HT room that I want, THESE sets are nice enough to display/decorate the room, I like them even thought they won't get used with BD's. Just adds a nice look... But I also own two sets of Star Wars VHS that I will also display, so I guess the word hoarder is a good term to use... I just can't bring myself to part with it.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

Frodo vision when standing on Amon Hen was different in the movies than the books. That would have been a welcome inclusion, too.

The attack by Orcs on Lorien was mentioned in the Tale of Years in the appendix.

Jackson could have ... edited the Gandalf/Witch-king scene to match the book.

I was surprised when I saw Fellowship for the first time that Frodo's vision on Amon Hen (according to the book) wasn't included. A key event that would have been far better than the comparatively lackadaisical version presented in the movie.

The attack of the Orcs on Lorien would have provided an audience-pleasing action sequence for the movie, a demonstration of the power of an Elven Ring, and would have been a legitimate scene of Elves in battle, since

[Show spoiler] the only elf that actually fought at Helm's Deep was Legolas

; another missed opportunity. Maybe Jackson figured that he had sufficient battle coverage by having

[Show spoiler]the army of the dead fight at Minas Tirith and Legolas' taking down a mumak

.

Of course, the "big one" is the Gandalf/Witch King scene. Highly symbolic and crucial to the story, the ultimate confrontation (outside of Valinor) of Good against Evil with equal power - if there was one scene Jackson could go back and redo, this is it.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by radagast

How do I insert the "double facepalm" picture?



Gandalf talking about Sauron at the Council would have been good to include in the EEs.

Frodo vision when standing on Amon Hen was different in the movies than the books. That would have been a welcome inclusion, too.

The attack by Orcs on Lorien was mentioned in the Tale of Years in the appendix. Not necessary, but at least it was something Tolkien wrote.

Same with Arwen and Aragorn's firsst meeting. (meaning it was in the Appendix)

Sam using the Phial of Galadriel against the watchers was actually in the books. Should have been included in the EEs.

Aragorn's death was another item in the Appendix.

Jackson could have put in the Sam/Phial scene and edited the Gandalf/Witch-king scene to match the book.

I am confused by your post. Are you saying he was respectful or he wasn't? In my post I said he was respectful. I am well aware of the changes to the book, and I don't think any of them would have been as bad as having Sauron fight Aragorn. I like the movies, and I like the books. As a harry potter fan I have had to put up with some not so great adaptions so I am content with how Jackson handled LOTR.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I was surprised when I saw Fellowship for the first time that Frodo's vision on Amon Hen (according to the book) wasn't included. A key event that would have been far better than the comparatively lackadaisical version presented in the movie.

The attack of the Orcs on Lorien would have provided an audience-pleasing action sequence for the movie, a demonstration of the power of an Elven Ring, and would have been a legitimate scene of Elves in battle, since

[Show spoiler] the only elf that actually fought at Helm's Deep was Legolas

; another missed opportunity. Maybe Jackson figured that he had sufficient battle coverage by having

[Show spoiler]the army of the dead fight at Minas Tirith and Legolas' taking down a mumak

.

Of course, the "big one" is the Gandalf/Witch King scene. Highly symbolic and crucial to the story, the ultimate confrontation (outside of Valinor) of Good against Evil with equal power - if there was one scene Jackson could go back and redo, this is it.

I always thought he really screwed up with the Witch King confrontation. Terrible scene in the film.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Of course, the "big one" is the Gandalf/Witch King scene. Highly symbolic and crucial to the story, the ultimate confrontation (outside of Valinor) of Good against Evil with equal power - if there was one scene Jackson could go back and redo, this is it.

This always bothered me. I think the way it was handled in the movie was just atrocious ugh... I don't mind the Elves fighting at Helms Deep, and many other changes that were made for that matter. The other thing that REALLY bothered me was how they handled the ford scene... The White Horses

[Show spoiler] WERE NOT ARWEN'S MAGIC, IT WAS GANDALF'S!!!

I don't know why but that just irks the CRAP outta me... I did NOT like the change. I guess I just didn't like them making Arwen such a centralized important character...

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I always thought he really screwed up with the Witch King confrontation. Terrible scene in the film.

That scene COULD HAVE BEEN epic... and I mean EPIC!

[Michael Harper]

I was looking at that picture with the fifteen discs, trying to figure out exactly whether or not the film will be split over two discs, and realised that just because there are so many discs, that doesn't mean it will:

Disc 01 - The Fellowship of the Ring
Disc 02 - Appendices Part 1
Disc 03 - Appendices Part 2
Disc 04 - Costa Botes Documentary 1
Disc 05 - The Fellowship of the Ring - Digital Copy
Disc 06 - The Two Towers
Disc 07 - Appendices Part 3
Disc 08 - Appendices Part 4
Disc 09 - Costa Botes Documentary 2
Disc 10 - The Two Towers - Digital Copy
Disc 11 - The Return of the King
Disc 12 - Appendices Part 5
Disc 13 - Appendices Part 6
Disc 14 - Costa Botes Documentary 3
Disc 15 - The Return of the King - Digital Copy

Kinda makes more sense in my opinion

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Michael Harper

I was looking at that picture with the fifteen discs, trying to figure out exactly whether or not the film will be split over two discs, and realised that just because there are so many discs, that doesn't mean it will:

Disc 01 - The Fellowship of the Ring
Disc 02 - Appendices Part 1
Disc 03 - Appendices Part 2
Disc 04 - Costa Botes Documentary 1
Disc 05 - The Fellowship of the Ring - Digital Copy
Disc 06 - The Two Towers
Disc 07 - Appendices Part 3
Disc 08 - Appendices Part 4
Disc 09 - Costa Botes Documentary 2
Disc 10 - The Two Towers - Digital Copy
Disc 11 - The Return of the King
Disc 12 - Appendices Part 5
Disc 13 - Appendices Part 6
Disc 14 - Costa Botes Documentary 3
Disc 15 - The Return of the King - Digital Copy

Kinda makes more sense in my opinion

The digital copies are not disc-based; they'll be identified by codes on a single slip of paper in the set. Which is probably good because there was no reason, imo, to ever use a disc for that.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Michael Harper

I was looking at that picture with the fifteen discs, trying to figure out exactly whether or not the film will be split over two discs, and realised that just because there are so many discs, that doesn't mean it will:

Disc 01 - The Fellowship of the Ring
Disc 02 - Appendices Part 1
Disc 03 - Appendices Part 2
Disc 04 - Costa Botes Documentary 1
Disc 05 - The Fellowship of the Ring - Digital Copy
Disc 06 - The Two Towers
Disc 07 - Appendices Part 3
Disc 08 - Appendices Part 4
Disc 09 - Costa Botes Documentary 2
Disc 10 - The Two Towers - Digital Copy
Disc 11 - The Return of the King
Disc 12 - Appendices Part 5
Disc 13 - Appendices Part 6
Disc 14 - Costa Botes Documentary 3
Disc 15 - The Return of the King - Digital Copy

Kinda makes more sense in my opinion

There may not be 15 discs either, pictures may not be right, the picture may just be a photoshopped image to get the thing out there, and Amazon is NOTORIOUS for having things wrong. I'm not saying its one way or the other, but theres no way to say definitely until the studio officially announces it.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

I guess I just didn't like them making Arwen such a centralized important character...

I think that Boyens and Jackson were grasping for any opportunity (almost to the point of desperation) as a means to get greater female involvement in action sequences in the story. It is well that they had the sense to cut the scene with Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep, which the entire Tolkien community would have revolted against. I guess having Arwen appear in actual scenes from the book such as The Hall of Fire, the days immediately after the coronation, etc., were just too docile.

If they wanted to have a legitimate female-lead action scene (as mentioned a few posts back), they could have shown Galadriel wielding the Elven Ring during the three Orc attacks on Lorien. It would not have been as controversial, since the attacks were not described in detail in the appendices. And using hindsight, it would have been good as a tie-in to the Hobbit movie, since the attacks

[Show spoiler] were launched from Dol Guldur in Mirkwood

. Jackson would have been provided a fair amount of artistic license, and it could have been a killer scene.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I think that Boyens and Jackson were grasping for any opportunity (almost to the point of desperation) as a means to get greater female involvement in action sequences in the story. It is well that they had the sense to cut the scene with Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep, which the entire Tolkien community would have revolted against. I guess having Arwen appear in actual scenes from the book such as The Hall of Fire, the days immediately after the coronation, etc., were just too docile.

If they wanted to have a legitimate female-lead action scene (as mentioned a few posts back), they could have shown Galadriel wielding the Elven Ring during the three Orc attacks on Lorien. It would not have been as controversial, since the attacks were not described in detail in the appendices. And using hindsight, it would have been good as a tie-in to the Hobbit movie, since the attacks

[Show spoiler] were launched from Dol Guldur in Mirkwood

. Jackson would have been provided a fair amount of artistic license, and it could have been a killer scene.

I agree that it would have been better to show Galadriel kicking butt than Arwen. As far as female involvement, however, one of the most important victories in the ENTIRE STORY was accomplished by a woman - Eowyn killing the Witch-King.

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

That scene COULD HAVE BEEN epic... and I mean EPIC!

Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King would have been epic only if Jackson seriously altered the story. In the book

[Show spoiler]The Witch-King leaves because The Riders of Rohan have arrived and Gandalf does not follow him out attack him because Pippin comes to tell him that Denethor has flipped out and is about to kill Faramir. Gandalf chooses to save Faramir but comments that eveil will come of his not following the Witch-King out to challenge him outside the city.

Earlier in the movie, (and the book)

[Show spoiler]Gandalf had driven several Nazgul away from Faramir when Faramir was returning to Minas Tirith

.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by radagast

I agree that it would have been better to show Galadriel kicking butt than Arwen. As far as female involvement, however, one of the most important victories in the ENTIRE STORY was accomplished by a woman - Eowyn killing the Witch-King.




Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King would have been epic only if Jackson seriously altered the story. In the book

[Show spoiler]The Witch-King leaves because The Riders of Rohan have arrived and Gandalf does not follow him out attack him because Pippin comes to tell him that Denethor has flipped out and is about to kill Faramir. Gandalf chooses to save Faramir but comments that eveil will come of his not following the Witch-King out to challenge him outside the city.

Earlier in the movie, (and the book)

[Show spoiler]Gandalf had driven several Nazgul away from Faramir when Faramir was returning to Minas Tirith

.

As if he didn't already alter the story but he already took some artistic licenses the least he could have done was shown how much of a bad@$$ Gandalf can be... Definitely better than his decision to connect Arwens Lifeforce to Middle Earth... ugh... I just didn't like what he did with her character... I agree if he wanted to do something with a female character, flesh out Eowyn a little more... she was AWESOME!!! I understand why they wanted to make Arwen a more centralized and important character, I just don't think it was done well... I guess I'm just partial to Miranda Otto