The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Yes...

ah....thx.

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Nicolas554

Futureshop sell it for 65$, pretty good price in my opinion.

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...=&sku=m2164905

I tried ordering there but they don't ship to Germany.

But I ordered at Amazon.ca - they also sell it for 65CAD.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

What happens to the thing in ROTK that looks like he has a potato head.

Hes the thing in the battle that the castlerock comes flying at & just misses him when it lands & he spits on it.

I dont see him gettin wacked in the theatrical....is there an ending to him in the extended ?

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Yes...

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

ah....thx.

Are you referring to Gothmog?

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Actually, this thread has been pretty civil the last few days. Should have seen it last week, or over the weekend. Guess between Ken sticking around and the thread and a few bans/suspensions the message was sent.

"What's the difference between a pregnant woman and a light bulb?

[Show spoiler]You can unscrew a light bulb. See, no sense of humor whatsoever.

"

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by griezzel

For me, there are two changes to Tolkien's story that are egregious. The worst are the events concerning Frodo's encounter with Faramir. Faramir in the film is not the same character as Faramir in the book. In the film he is shown to have deep flaws, making him untrustworthy. And Frodo never goes to Osgiliath in the book. That is a strange detour on his quest, taking him farther from Minas Morgul.

Let me start by saying that while I'm currently reading the book, I'm not very far yet. I've just made it past where Frodo gets across the river (where the waves look like horses), so I don't know all of the details of the book yet.

I think Peter wanted Faramir to show flaws not to seem untrustworthy, but so the audience would see him put up to the same challenge as Boromir (the ring, of course). But in Faramir's case, while he is tempted by the ring, he eventually manages to let it go, showing that he was stronger than Boromir in this case.
As far as taking Frodo & Sam to Osgiliath, Peter felt he had to save Minas Morgul/Shelob for the third film, so it seems like if Faramir hadn't taken Frodo to Osgiliath, all we would have are scenes of them in the cave, which would be a bit boring keeping them there for the entire second half of the movie.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I personally didn't see the point of going to all the trouble to have the Ents go to Entmoot, decide NOT to attack Saruman, and then change their mind on the spur of a moment dialog with Merry and Pippin. But that's just my opinion.

It wasn't just a spur of the moment dialogue that changed their minds. Pippen tricked Treebeard into taking them out of the forest a different way, so he would see what Sauramon had been doing to the forest, making him realize that they had to fight to survive.

Again, I haven't read the entire book, so I don't know all the differences yet. All I can say is I kind of like that there are several changes made. The changes make me want to read the book more, just as they make me want to watch the movie more.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by radagast

If we are only interested in watching films and nothing more, VHS should do nicely.

Funny, but I do like watching them in high detail, but I can do it without having to freeze every frame and look for image problems.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Actually, this thread has been pretty civil the last few days. Should have seen it last week, or over the weekend. Guess between Ken sticking around in the thread and a few bans/suspensions the message was sent.

why does this NOT surprise me, I gave up reading in the 180's

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Even watched fullscreen that clip looks hideous. Just as expected. The sky shining through the trees is clearly not blue but distinctly greenish. And this is not even one of the good scenes to show it off...





Yes, definitely green, but this is a scene where I could write it off as an intended grading if I didn't know.





This one looks definitely - off. I wouldn't be able to pinpoint it if I didn't know the cause but seeing this clip I'd immediately say that something is wrong with the colors, especially in the faces.




I have to admit that I had difficulty spotting the problem here. This one's clearly a scene where it isn't as intrusive. Clearly not a deal breaker.

EDIT: I just saw after writing this remarks that this clip is from one of the other films. I'm not really surprised. This scene has a slight green bias but it's not even remotely comparable to any of the other scenes. Even without knowing that it's from one of the other films I found this one the only one that didn't bother me at all. So does that prove that FOTR is defective?




I'd call this one borderline. The green sure isn't offensive here - but I have to agree about the darkness. I also remember that this fight was easier to see in earlier versions.

So, nothing here that may change my opinion. Still a no-buy.

I think these look great in terms of color. Do I see what people are talking about? Sure, but I dont see it being a deal breaker.

I felt the party scene with Bildo looked amazing, but I did see the green tint to the smoke that Mark Booth was talking about. That did kind of stick out in an odd way. Everything else worked fine. I have no clue as to what seemed wrong with the faces. You and me are in complete disagreement there.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by merrick97

To me this brings up an interesting question:

Have we gotten to the point that when watch films that we love that we are now at a point where we just look to find things wrong with it?

Yes, it seems that way. I only have a 50" plasma, but I hardly ever see the things people nitpick about.. I do see the DNR in discs like Patton, and the soft transfers like Gladiator/Spartacus. But I'm not watching the film to TRY and pick out stuff like EE, like some people. Then again, it shows up more prominent on larger displays than mine.

People LOVE to complain, and love to play armchair critic, especially on the Internet. But it's sad that some people can NEVER be happy with what they've got. You know, FOTR might be a bit green, but at least you have a roof and food to eat and, heck, a TV to watch movies on.

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

(Even the elvish subtitles have a tint to them. Check 1:35:47 when Arwen is speaking.)

But are they green? Also, I thought the subtitles (even Elvish) were not burned-in (and therefore not part of the H.264 stream)? They're definitely soft PGS subtitles in the BD dump (including at 1:35:47).

Short of checking the color in Photoshop, they look white enough to me:



Compare that to the title:

[georgec]

That Aragorn/Uruk-Hai fight looks awful with the tint.

I can see the desire to recolor certain scenes, but this situation makes me imagine some guy on a computer, dragging a slider from one color hue to another, and then leaning back in his chair and thinking, "My work is done."

[Resettito]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Even watched fullscreen that clip looks hideous. Just as expected. The sky shining through the trees is clearly not blue but distinctly greenish. And this is not even one of the good scenes to show it off...





Yes, definitely green, but this is a scene where I could write it off as an intended grading if I didn't know.





This one looks definitely - off. I wouldn't be able to pinpoint it if I didn't know the cause but seeing this clip I'd immediately say that something is wrong with the colors, especially in the faces.




I have to admit that I had difficulty spotting the problem here. This one's clearly a scene where it isn't as intrusive. Clearly not a deal breaker.

EDIT: I just saw after writing this remarks that this clip is from one of the other films. I'm not really surprised. This scene has a slight green bias but it's not even remotely comparable to any of the other scenes. Even without knowing that it's from one of the other films I found this one the only one that didn't bother me at all. So does that prove that FOTR is defective?




I'd call this one borderline. The green sure isn't offensive here - but I have to agree about the darkness. I also remember that this fight was easier to see in earlier versions.

So, nothing here that may change my opinion. Still a no-buy.

Ok I've just watched the last clip, wtf are you guys talking about?! I don't get it, where is the excessive green that Karl is talking about?! It looks fantastic, and don't call me color-blind, I know green when I see it, it just has a cold, desaturized look, like I remember it having on the DVD.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yes, it seems that way. I only have a 50" plasma, but I hardly ever see the things people nitpick about.. I do see the DNR in discs like Patton, and the soft transfers like Gladiator/Spartacus. But I'm not watching the film to TRY and pick out stuff like EE, like some people. Then again, it shows up more prominent on larger displays than mine.

People LOVE to complain, and love to play armchair critic, especially on the Internet. But it's sad that some people can NEVER be happy with what they've got. You know, FOTR might be a bit green, but at least you have a roof and food to eat and, heck, a TV to watch movies on.

We are complaining within the realm of the HT hobby, not life in general which should go without saying. In the grand scheme of life of course this problem which we are all blessed to have since it falls within this luxury hobby, does not mean a damn thing.....does this really need to be said?

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

Let me start by saying that while I'm currently reading the book, I'm not very far yet. I've just made it past where Frodo gets across the river (where the waves look like horses), so I don't know all of the details of the book yet.

I think Peter wanted Faramir to show flaws not to seem untrustworthy, but so the audience would see him put up to the same challenge as Boromir (the ring, of course). But in Faramir's case, while he is tempted by the ring, he eventually manages to let it go, showing that he was stronger than Boromir in this case.
As far as taking Frodo & Sam to Osgiliath, Peter felt he had to save Minas Morgul/Shelob for the third film, so it seems like if Faramir hadn't taken Frodo to Osgiliath, all we would have are scenes of them in the cave, which would be a bit boring keeping them there for the entire second half of the movie.



It wasn't just a spur of the moment dialogue that changed their minds. Pippen tricked Treebeard into taking them out of the forest a different way, so he would see what Sauramon had been doing to the forest, making him realize that they had to fight to survive.

Again, I haven't read the entire book, so I don't know all the differences yet. All I can say is I kind of like that there are several changes made. The changes make me want to read the book more, just as they make me want to watch the movie more.

As for Faramir, this will divulge things that you haven't read yet so I'm gonna spoiler em

[Show spoiler] Faramir was Tolkien's version of an incorruptible man. He was never supposed to even be tempted by the ring, because there truly are good men in the world. Not EVERYONE is out for power and greed. I can't say it as well as Grand Bob did, but changing Faramir really cheapend the character. Although, an incorruptible man would not captivate the movie viewing audience as well, so I can see why it was changed

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Resettito

Ok I've just watched the last clip, wtf are you guys talking about?! I don't get it, where is the excessive green that Karl is talking about?! It looks fantastic, and don't call me color-blind, I know green when I see it, it just has a cold, desaturized look, like I remember it having on the DVD.

The last clip doesn't have excessively visible green. It's sure there but there's so little light in that sequence that it hardly registers. But I was surprised a bit because of the darkness. I remember that scene being a bit brighter - but of course memory can play tricks.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

I think Peter wanted Faramir to show flaws not to seem untrustworthy, but so the audience would see him put up to the same challenge as Boromir (the ring, of course). But in Faramir's case, while he is tempted by the ring, he eventually manages to let it go, showing that he was stronger than Boromir in this case.
As far as taking Frodo & Sam to Osgiliath, Peter felt he had to save Minas Morgul/Shelob for the third film, so it seems like if Faramir hadn't taken Frodo to Osgiliath, all we would have are scenes of them in the cave, which would be a bit boring keeping them there for the entire second half of the movie.

See https://forum.blu-ray.com/movies/149...ml#post4866345 and related posts.

It wasn't just a spur of the moment dialogue that changed their minds. Pippen tricked Treebeard into taking them out of the forest a different way, so he would see what Sauramon had been doing to the forest, making him realize that they had to fight to survive.

The point of Entmoot was to discuss Saruman and the orcs wanton destruction of the forest and what to do about it. Being the guardian of Fangorn, Treebeard would certainly have known about the destruction of the grove that Pippin leads him to.

But congratulations on reading the book. It's the right thing to do.

[DualEdge]

Originally Posted by agent bond

i didn't mind him

[Show spoiler]falling to his death, but when he got impaled by spikes upon landing. It was soooo hollywood!

i was like come on!

Fatality!

[42041]

Originally Posted by merrick97

To me this brings up an interesting question:

Have we gotten to the point that when watch films that we love that we are now at a point where we just look to find things wrong with it?

My philosophy is to watch a film enjoy how it looks and let the errors (DNR, bad coloring, edge enhancement) FIND YOU.

Patton and Predator are examples of films in which the bad things found me.

I sit rather close to my screen so various defects find me easily.
I'm not going to go on a tear because Showgirls doesn't have a brand new 4K master from the negatives, but I don't think its unreasonable to expect exceptional work for exceptional movies, like LOTR, Star Wars, Back to the Future, Gladiator, etc.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by 42041

I sit rather close to my screen so various defects find me easily.
I'm not going to go on a tear because Showgirls doesn't have a brand new 4K master from the negatives, but I don't think its unreasonable to expect exceptional work for exceptional movies, like LOTR, Star Wars, Back to the Future, Gladiator, etc.

If this thread has taught me one thing -- I'll be avoiding the Star Wars thread as we get closer to release date

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

As for Faramir, this will divulge things that you haven't read yet so I'm gonna spoiler em

[Show spoiler] Faramir was Tolkien's version of an incorruptible man. He was never supposed to even be tempted by the ring, because there truly are good men in the world. Not EVERYONE is out for power and greed. I can't say it as well as Grand Bob did, but changing Faramir really cheapend the character. Although, an incorruptible man would not captivate the movie viewing audience as well, so I can see why it was changed

I liked watching the making of features when David Wenham talked about how he read the book and even confronted Peter & his writers about how the character was different in the book. I'm not sure yet whether I agree/disagree with the change, all I know is that Faramir has always been my favorite side character in the movies.