The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by HonestJohn

A Few More Words from RAH ...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3825253

I guess one man's "sickly, overbearing green tint" is another man's "very special majesty and exultation". From my perspective (from having watched the video clips and seen countless screen captures) he's a little too effusive with the compliments. I definitely notice it when watching those clips and I haven't really seen or read anything to lead me to believe they aren't representative of the actual retail release. I completely agree with him about the quality of the films themselves, though.

Anyway, it seems odd to me that there's still no response from WB or PJ. Even the most cautious of PR reps could've cooked something up to diffuse the controversy pending an official stance...

[WorkShed]

Anybody else having problems getting to page 266?

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Anybody else having problems getting to page 266?

Considering I only have 133 pages in this thread, I'd have to answer "yes" to your question since page 266 doesn't exist yet.

[radagast]

According to my screen, your post is on page 266 of 266.

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Anybody else having problems getting to page 266?

Nope, on it right now ....

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by radagast

According to my screen, your post is on page 266 of 266.

According to my screen, your post is on page 133.

I was making a funny. I have changed my settings for the site to include the max number of posts per page.

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I puked up a little something green after reading that..........makes me love Kens review/approach/follow up posts even more.

I love Ken's review/approach as well. However, Robert was not providing a review. Per his tagline it's "a few words" .... no comprehensive review done as of yet that I could see at HTF.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by HonestJohn

I love Ken's review/approach as well. However, Robert was not providing a review. Per his tagline it's "a few words" .... no comprehensive review done as of yet that I could see at HTF.

I understand that John. From my perspective in light of everything that is going on with the FOTG controversy, that post seemed a bit odd to me.......thats all. After I read it, and in light of everything that is being discussed as far as the "green" issue, I just had to pull one of these........

"Nothing to see her folks and everything is perfect!.........move along and purchase at Amazon"


Just my perspective though.

[MEB]

I've changed my avatar in honor of karlosfunkster. I even came close on the correct hair color.

Mark

[frogmort]

Wow, I watched a movie, then come back here and people have been suspended again. I told everyone to play nice. Why can't we all get along? We don't have to agree with each other to be civil.

Anyway, it's starting to look like we're not going to hear from PJ or WB before the release date, what with it being just a few days away. I kind of didn't expect to hear anything before that anyway. It could hurt sales, but I do think it would be the nice thing to do. Surely they are aware of the buzz about this.

I just hope we hear something soon either way.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Wow, I watched a movie, then come back here and people have been suspended again. I told everyone to play nice. Why can't we all get along? We don't have to agree with each other to be civil.

Anyway, it's starting to look like we're not going to hear from PJ or WB before the release date, what with it being just a few days away. I kind of didn't expect to hear anything before that anyway. It could hurt sales, but I do think it would be the nice thing to do. Surely they are aware of the buzz about this.

I just hope we hear something soon either way.

Why is it, everytime you disappear people get suspended?!

Though, I think we figured out it wasn't your avatar this time

And I agree, each day that passes now without a statement further cements my belief that a statement won't be coming until July 4th-ish.

[MEB]

Now, back to my troll-like nitpicking....

Comparison time.... This time, instead of comparing screenshots, let's compare videos clips

The battle between Aragorn and Lurtz of the Uruk-hai! One of the great fight scenes in FOTR!

The first clip was taken from the extended edition Blu-ray. I have confirmed this with the person that uploaded the clip to YouTube. This is one of the uglier green-tinted scenes in the movie. I've shared it before:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Aragon vs Uruk-hai Leader (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

FOG AND MIST ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GREEN! It's unnatural and it pulls the attentive viewer out of the scene because it looks stupid.

Now, compare that one to this one... Same scene (just a little bit of extra footage at the beginning). This one was ripped by the same guy. I have confirmed with him that it was taken from the THEATRICAL edition of the FOTR Blu-ray. He did this one at 1080p so you can watch it in either 720p or 1080p.

YouTube - ‪★Lord of the Rings I - Aragon vs Lurtz (Blu-ray 1080p HD)★‬‏

Look at that!! The fog/mist is white, NOT green. Yet, there is still plenty of green to be found in the scene. Only, its stuff that is SUPPOSED to be green. And, oh... check it out... the few glimpses you get of the sky in the background.... it's actually BLUE! Imagine that!

Mark

[Maggot]

Moderator brutality! Just kidding......Seriously though, my agrument is more of a "general distain" for the constant and overuse of color grading and even using certain types of film. What I call the depressed, grunge look......be it by color grading or the film stock itself. I do believe there are way too many in Hollywood that need to be on anti-depressants. It's one thing when we see it in Saving Private Ryan or The Matrix, but there are just way too many films that sport these skewed looks. I picked up the new True Grit and watched it the other night. Wow, talk about a let down. Not in terms of the acting, although Jeff Bridges is no John Wayne.......no but rather compared to the original True Grit, which I have, the new one looked so dreary. I realize it's popular to be artsy fartsy with this color grading stuff, but in recent years, I swear it's all over the place like a bad rash! The original True Grit just looked frick'n natural and wonderful. So for me, this bizarre color timing for Fellowship is just another example of a overused fad and a tastless one at that. Like for anyone who is a drummer, remember the days of disco. Constant open/closed high-hat on those songs. Or perhaps the insane overuse of fast double bass drum beats in a lot of hard rock/metal songs. Seriously, it's all fad and that's why it disturbs me to see Fellowship get mixed up in this. It's like saying The Fellowship has fallen to the insanity of men!

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Farid

Ken, could you write a news story about the controversy on the front page? We need to create some buzz if we want to hear something from the studio/PJ. Bill Hunt normally does this, but he's been silent

Without any concrete information to be had from Jackson or Warner, there isn't any fresh news to report at the moment. If Jackson confirms the tint as intentional, I'm sure a news blurb will be in order. If Warner institutes a replacement program, we'll certainly run a news story on that, with full details. At this point, a news story would only serve to rehash the ungainly book that is my FOTR video review

As for buzz, Jackson and Warner are well aware of the situation. There's no way they couldn't be. (The studio folks I've talked to aren't surprised in the least when I ask about it; they've just let me know there's no official news or statement "at this time.")

Let's see what the next two weeks bring. I think it won't be long after the set's release that we see a statement or response from Jackson and/or Warner.

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

Which logo? at approx 1.00 min in the logo "The Lord of the Rings"appears and there's no green tint perceptible at all?

Literally, not even slightly.

They're referring to the letters in "The Fellowship of the Ring," which exhibit a slight green tint.

Originally Posted by frogmort

It's starting to look like we're not going to hear from PJ or WB before the release date, what with it being just a few days away. I kind of didn't expect to hear anything before that anyway. It could hurt sales, but I do think it would be the nice thing to do. Surely they are aware of the buzz about this.

More than hurting sales, it would cause confusion and make it that much more difficult to filter out unsold sets from retailers and replace them with corrected copies. Moreover, issuing two replacement discs would be far cheaper than replacing entire sets. Even if every consumer requested replacement discs, the cost of pressing two new discs and shipping an extremely light package would be significantly lower than replacing/correcting/shipping/re-shipping a heavy box set.

Peter Jackson is quite active on his Facebook page, and has addressed several discussion topics since the "green" question was posted in the appropriate area. He's aware of the concern, and I'm sure his silence is indicative of satisfaction with Warner's plan to address the issue with a recall or to make it clear that they adhered to his intentions. The only mystery, IMHO, is whether Jackson or Warner (or both) will provide the eventual and inevitable answer to the intention vs. error debate

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Why is it, everytime you disappear people get suspended?!

Though, I think we figured out it wasn't your avatar this time

And I agree, each day that passes now without a statement further cements my belief that a statement won't be coming until July 4th-ish.

I really can't see them coming out and saying "The blu-rays coming out in a few days are messed up, but buy them anyway, and we'll make it right later".

That being said, maybe their silence is a good sign that there is a problem that will be addressed after the release date.

If there is absolutely no problem, and they are supposed to be this way, it seems like they would have said so much, much earlier.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

At this point, a news story would only serve to rehash the ungainly book that is my FOTR video review

You are too humble Ken. I thought your review was very detailed and honest without any personal bias. With all the arguing going on about this, I thought you represented yourself very professionally.

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I really can't see them coming out and saying "The blu-rays coming out in a few days are messed up, but buy them anyway, and we'll make it right later".

That being said, maybe their silence is a good sign that there is a problem that will be addressed after the release date.

If there is absolutely no problem, and they are supposed to be this way, it seems like they would have said so much, much earlier.

That's exactly what I WANT to believe, although my confidence is shaking.

The GLADIATOR fiasco was exposed after release, and it was easier for the studio to acknowledge (to some extent) and implement a replacement program for a product that by then was already distributed and sold, and only for those who expressly asked for it. But if Warner were to acknowledge any flaw with this transfer now, before release date, they couldn't put out the actual product on the shelves and would have to recall all copies, after having spent quite some money on packaging and distribution (by now, most retailers have their copies stored).

Since, as has been said here several times, most buyers won't see a problem with their discs, it makes more sense to remain quiet for now, sell it like it is, and then issue some official statement on the matter and offer a replacement at a later time, likely several months down the road, to save face.

Then again, all this is pure speculation on my part with no real evidence to support it, and it well may be an educated guess or simply wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by frogmort

You are too humble Ken. I thought your review was very detailed and honest without any personal bias. With all the arguing going on about this, I thought you represented yourself very professionally.

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[AreaUnderTheCurve]

How long did it take for the Gladiator replacement program to start after the original release?

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Maggot

...it disturbs me to see Fellowship get mixed up in this. It's like saying The Fellowship has fallen to the insanity of men!

Men are weak. It is because of men that this fad survives. There is no strength left in the world of men!

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

That's exactly what I WANT to believe, although my confidence is shaking.

The GLADIATOR fiasco was exposed after release, and it was easier for the studio to acknowledge (to some extent) and implement a replacement program for a product that by then was already distributed and sold, and only for those who expressly asked for it. But if Warner were to acknowledge any flaw with this transfer now, before release date, they couldn't put out the actual product on the shelves and would have to recall all copies, after having spend quite some money on distribution (by now, most retailers have their copies stored).

Since, as has been said here several times, most buyers won't see a problem with their discs, it makes more sense to remain quiet for now, sell it like it is, and then issue some official statement on the matter and offer a replacement at a later time, likely several months down the road, to save face.

Then again, all this is pure speculation on my part with no real evidence to support it, and it well may be an educated guess or simply wishful thinking.



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An then the funny thing is, a new Gladiator came out with....guess what.... blue color timings.