The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Vendetta-akk]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I ordered at the same time and got my copy yesterday.

I ordered during this sale as well and received mine today.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

I for one am well aware that most people won't even notice anything new, different or wrong about the new transfer, simply because most people are not very discriminating consumers whose eyes and ears are not very well trained to assess audiovisual quality, and, ultimately, because they don't care.

Add to that that people here who, just from their being here reading and posting, I would consider more concerned and discriminating about those issues, have stated repeatedly that they are ok with the screencaps showing a very, very strong green push, as well as a contrasty, black-crushed look with some kind of hazy veil that sucks the light out of many shots. Some have gone even further and are saying that they actually like the new transfer better and they consider it an improvement over the previous look. All that, I insist, from looking at the same screencaps that have me in a state of baffled incredulity.

But, as it has been pointed out on this thread, there were many people too complaining about the complaints over the first GLADIATOR transfer, or the first GANGS OF NEW YORK transfer, or the THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING transfer. Or even the PREDATOR transfer. And they called us "whiners" and "naysayers" and what have you, time and time again, because, well, those transfers were great and nothing to worry about.

So, to sum it up:

- Most people won't notice or even care about any changes or problems
- Of those who should care, some are posting here their satisfaction with the same screencaps I despise
- There were many before who were just fine with botched-up transfers

Therefore, I am led to believe that, most likely, some of the reviewers who are assessing the actual discs, acknowledging the changes in the new transfer but stating that those changes are not such a big deal and nothing to worry about, are looking at a transfer that, to my eyes, will show a LOT to worry about.

At this moment, the only evidence I have (misleading as it may be) are the many screencaps comparisons posted, which, to my eyes, show plenty of reason for concern.

No matter how many reviews arise, telling one tale or the other, I am afraid I can only trust my own judgement whenever I have the chance to lay my eyes on the actual discs.

I hear what you're saying. In my case I am an artist, who worked as a cameraman for over ten years in broadcast, including BBC. Admittedly, this was not film. I also edit and would describe myself as a very discerning viewer. The picture takes on a blue/cyan tint in a few places. It looks very nice and there are whites throughout. I know the difference between something that has simply been washed with colour, and my UK version is a very nice looking film. It's not that I don't care or am not looking. It's only opinion. I am really looking forward to you getting your copy and hearing your opinion then.

I think you MAY be pleasantly surprised. I really hope so.

[AxlVanHagar]

Hello everyone figured I'd give my 2 cents on the issue at hand. I just got my copy and had look at it on both displays in my home.

In the living room on my Panasonic 50VT20 using the Panasonic BDT350. In a nutshell what I saw was fantastic! Yes there is definitely a color time change but I would call it very slight and if I wasn't reading forums I doubt I'd have noticed anything at all. Detail and color looked amazing IMO.

I then went downstairs to the theater to take a look at it using my JVC RS20 projector. Using a PS3 with that. Projected at 106" it looked every bit as good as it did on my other set up. I saw no issues with the scenes I watched.

FWIW I watched the same scenes on both, Prologue, Concerning Hobbits, The Shire, At The Sign Of The Prancing Pony, The Pass of Caradhras, The Fighting Uruk-Hai.

If I was more tech savvy and had the ability to get some screen caps to post I would. All I can say is if what I have in my hands at this time is what folks can expect on Tues I really can't see anyone being less than thrilled with it. What I just looked at wasn't even in the ballpark as to what the caps I've seen looked like.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by AxlVanHagar

Hello everyone figured I'd give my 2 cents on the issue at hand. I just got my copy and had look at it on both displays in my home.

In the living room on my Panasonic 50VT20 using the Panasonic BDT350. In a nutshell what I saw was fantastic! Yes there is definitely a color time change but I would call it very slight and if I wasn't reading forums I doubt I'd have noticed anything at all. Detail and color looked amazing IMO.

I then went downstairs to the theater to take a look at it using my JVC RS20 projector. Using a PS3 with that. Projected at 106" it looked every bit as good as it did on my other set up. I saw no issues with the scenes I watched.

FWIW I watched the same scenes on both, Prologue, Concerning Hobbits, The Shire, At The Sign Of The Prancing Pony, The Pass of Caradhras, The Fighting Uruk-Hai.

If I was more tech savvy and had the ability to get some screen caps to post I would. All I can say is if what I have in my hands at this time is what folks can expect on Tues I really can't see anyone being less than thrilled with it. What I just looked at wasn't even in the ballpark as to what the caps I've seen looked like.

That's great news. I'm releived that people are generally seeing the same thing. Colour timings: would you say it favoured green? Cyan? Blue?

[RageATL]

Originally Posted by AxlVanHagar

Hello everyone figured I'd give my 2 cents on the issue at hand. I just got my copy and had look at it on both displays in my home.

In the living room on my Panasonic 50VT20 using the Panasonic BDT350. In a nutshell what I saw was fantastic! Yes there is definitely a color time change but I would call it very slight and if I wasn't reading forums I doubt I'd have noticed anything at all. Detail and color looked amazing IMO.

I then went downstairs to the theater to take a look at it using my JVC RS20 projector. Using a PS3 with that. Projected at 106" it looked every bit as good as it did on my other set up. I saw no issues with the scenes I watched.

FWIW I watched the same scenes on both, Prologue, Concerning Hobbits, The Shire, At The Sign Of The Prancing Pony, The Pass of Caradhras, The Fighting Uruk-Hai.

If I was more tech savvy and had the ability to get some screen caps to post I would. All I can say is if what I have in my hands at this time is what folks can expect on Tues I really can't see anyone being less than thrilled with it. What I just looked at wasn't even in the ballpark as to what the caps I've seen looked like.

Fantastic news indeed.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

What was botched about it?

There is skipping and/or dropouts, etc. You can check the HP Deathly Hallows Part 1 thread on this forum.

[DualEdge]

Originally Posted by AxlVanHagar

Hello everyone figured I'd give my 2 cents on the issue at hand. I just got my copy and had look at it on both displays in my home.

In the living room on my Panasonic 50VT20 using the Panasonic BDT350. In a nutshell what I saw was fantastic! Yes there is definitely a color time change but I would call it very slight and if I wasn't reading forums I doubt I'd have noticed anything at all. Detail and color looked amazing IMO.

I then went downstairs to the theater to take a look at it using my JVC RS20 projector. Using a PS3 with that. Projected at 106" it looked every bit as good as it did on my other set up. I saw no issues with the scenes I watched.

FWIW I watched the same scenes on both, Prologue, Concerning Hobbits, The Shire, At The Sign Of The Prancing Pony, The Pass of Caradhras, The Fighting Uruk-Hai.

If I was more tech savvy and had the ability to get some screen caps to post I would. All I can say is if what I have in my hands at this time is what folks can expect on Tues I really can't see anyone being less than thrilled with it. What I just looked at wasn't even in the ballpark as to what the caps I've seen looked like.

I also just got my set and have checked out a few scenes in Fellowship. My tv is the Panasonic 65VT25 and I'm using the PS3 to watch the movie. It looks identical to what I saw at the FotR event two weeks ago, which is good news as far as I'm concerned. I looked at the title lettering during the intro and IF it is green, it is VERY slight to my eyes. In fact, if people hadn't posted something about it, I doubt that I would've paid any attention at all. Now the one thing that did look a little green was the subtitles during the Elvish dialect sequences. This doesn't really bother me, but for some of you, it might.
Ultimately, if Warner came out and said that this is incorrect color timing and issued a replacement, I would certainly take them up on it. However, if they said there is no problem, then I have no problem keeping and thoroughly enjoying this version over and over. I do like the packaging as well (these black Blu-ray cases are pretty slick) and I also appreciate that it takes up less space than my original DVD EEs did. Happy camper here and thanks UPS for delivering it earlier than the original Monday estimate!

[The_Basterd]

I'm sure this has been asked, but does this have the regular editions on it too?

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by The_Basterd

I'm sure this has been asked, but does this have the regular editions on it too?

No, extended only.

[AxlVanHagar]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

That's great news. I'm releived that people are generally seeing the same thing. Colour timings: would you say it favoured green? Cyan? Blue?

In all honesty I'd say it varies a bit. Scenes in the Shire greens most certainly popped on both displays. In the case of Caradhras, I agree with the poster who felt it swayed more blue. That scene "felt" colder than usual especially on the larger screen. In all cases it was far more subtle than any screen caps I've seen and if I wasn't looking for it I'm not sure I would've noticed anything other than a gorgeous picture.

[Ken Brown]

The question is not whether the green/cyan tint is there. It is there. The question is, do you see it or mind it? If you don't see it, that doesn't mean it isn't there. Or that it isn't accurate to what is being shown in the vast majority of properly captured screenshots.

Objective analysis shows a green tint, without question; be it by screenshots, pixel-by-pixel color comparisons, side-by-side image comparisons, etc. These are not subjective judgments. These are objective evidences of a tint, and they all show the same tint across the whole of the same transfer.

Subjective analysis shows that it doesn't bother or isn't apparent to some viewers. This can trace back to calibration discrepancies (most displays are not calibrated correctly, especially when it comes to fine tuning red, blue and green gains and offsets), room lighting, inherent differences in specific televisions and displays, the difficulty of perceiving fine differences in color by the naked human eye, no relative whites next to the whites as they appear in the film, personal taste, appropriately dark viewing environments... you name it. It's also clear that if viewed in a suitably dark environment on a perfectly calibrated display, the tint is greatly minimized in many scenes, quite often because your eye naturally identifies the nearest whites as being pure white. Your eye is designed to do this very thing. That's why snow and bright whites in theatrical viewings of any film look nice and white even though, if measured, they would shown to be far from pure white.

Let's stop debating whether the tint is there. It is there. It's been established, verified and proven with numerous objective measurements and analyses. The only debate to be had is whether the tint -- which does indeed preside over the entire film -- is intentional, problematic or easily perceived by all viewers in all viewing environments

That said, if someone is able to take a properly captured screenshot with pure whites that do not display a green tint, please post it online, here or anywhere, as well as the inner-ring codes on your discs. Much as I normally advise against screenshot combing and screenshot science, not one screenshot exists in which measurable pure whites appear, or in which whites (and every other color) aren't affected by a verifiable green/cyan tint, slight as it may sometimes appear. Not one. My apologies if that sounds snippy, but claims that the tint is not there, without hard evidence, are only making the issue more confusing than it needs to be and making this thread more argumentative than it should be

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

There is skipping and/or dropouts, etc. You can check the HP Deathly Hallows Part 1 thread on this forum.

My copy plays flawlessly.

[Dino Last]

My video review of the UK version

YouTube - ‪The Lord Of The Rings Extended Blu-Ray Edition. Unboxing and Review‬‏

[RYJAPE21]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

My copy plays flawlessly.

Same here. I received mine a day before it's release date from Amazon.com and noticed zero problems. This is the first I've heard of this

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by RYJAPE21

Same here. I received mine a day before it's release date from Amazon.com and noticed zero problems. This is the first I've heard of this

The Extended Editions haven't been released yet, their release date is next Tuesday (06/28/11), are you maybe thinking of the TE's?


Edit: Nevermind, thanks to nathan, for pointing out it was in relation to the HP DH.1 My copy of DH.1 has no issues either *shrugs*

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

The Extended Editions haven't been released yet, their release date is next Tuesday (06/28/11), are you maybe thinking of the TE's?

They're talking about Deathly Hallows, Part 1. people are concerned that the skipping problems that plagued that film for some people will persist with the LOTR EE's.

[mport5150]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

Anybody?

I'm in the same boat as you....hoping they did not update and it arrives soon!

[frogmort]

Thanks again Ken. I am very familiar with these films, and I think the tint would bother me. A lot of people on here either think that it's not that bad, or not even there at all, but from everything I've seen, it is present.

[SapGoblin]

Just got my shipping confirmation from Borders!

Got it a few weeks back with $30 off for $67 shipped including tax!!!

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

They're talking about Deathly Hallows, Part 1. people are concerned that the skipping problems that plagued that film for some people will persist with the LOTR EE's.

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I believe the Harry Potter release got mentioned as an example of a botched disc, released by Warner, which does not yet have a replacement program in place. I don't think anyone suggested the LOTR set suffers from the same issue as that set.