The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[griezzel]

Thanks once again, Ken.

I will be quoting, and linking to, your post. Once again.

[Vendetta-akk]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Thanks again Ken. I am very familiar with these films, and I think the tint would bother me. A lot of people on here either think that it's not that bad, or not even there at all, but from everything I've seen, it is present.

I've been watching this today, and I do see a green tint in some scenes and blue tint in others (most notably in the mountain scenes). But I think even taking into account this slightly off putting change, this release is far superior to the theatrical. And while I do not know any more than any of you, my guess would be that these changes are intentional. I thought this was probably a mistake when I heard people saying the tinting was applied throughout the film, but this is not the case. The tinting only shows up in certain scenes, so I think this points to a deliberate altercation. Now whether is a good change or a bad change, that is going to vary from person to person.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Vendetta-akk

I heard people saying the tinting was applied throughout the film, but this is not the case. The tinting only shows up in certain scenes, so I think this points to a deliberate altercation.

And here again is the difference between verifiable facts and perception. The tint has been proven to exist throughout the entire film. Whether one sees it or not is an entirely different story.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Vendetta-akk

I thought this was probably a mistake when I heard people saying the tinting was applied throughout the film, but this is not the case. The tinting only shows up in certain scenes, so I think this points to a deliberate altercation.

The tint appears throughout. While it is not apparent throughout, it is measurable in all scenes. I've done extensive analyses of a variety of scenes, those where the tint is more obvious and those where it is not. As far as any objective analysis can confirm, it is always there. Even when Gandalf confronts the Balrog, red and orange-dominant as that scene is, difficult to perceive as the tint is, the green/cyan tint still affects the specific hues of the reds and oranges. Comparisons between the exact same Gandolf/Balrog shots in FOTR and TTT make the difference (and the presence of the tint) more clear.

To be clear: every scene will not look green. That is not how a slight green tint works. A slight green tint only affects the hue of the colors. The majority of blues still look quite blue, and the majority of reds still look fairly red. Even the greens as they're intended aren't suddenly overbearing. The tint is only apparent when a number of factors align to more readily reveal the presence of the tint.

Again, the tint is there, and it does appear over the entirety of the film. While it is not apparent throughout the entirety of the film, it is there. Peter Jackson did make deliberate color changes. If this is one of them, he and Lesnie applied a constant green tint over the whole of the film. The issue at the heart of this discussion is not the product of a selective, scene by scene adjustment.

Hope that helps clarify!

(Even so, yes, it is still notably superior to the theatrical transfer )

[Vendetta-akk]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

The tint appears throughout. While it is not apparent throughout, it is measurable in all scenes. I've done extensive analyses of a variety of scenes, those where it is obvious and those where it is not. As far as any objective analysis can confirm, it is always there. Even when Gandalf confronts the Balrog, red and orange-dominant as that scene is, difficult to perceive as the tint is, the green/cyan tint still affects the specific hues of those reds and oranges. Comparisons between the exact same Gandolf/Balrog shots in FOTR and TTT make this very clear.

To be clear: every scene will not look green. That is not how a slight green tint works. A slight green tint only affects the hue of the colors. Blues still look quite blue, reds still look fairly red. It is only apparent (or outright green/cyan when a number of factors align to more readily reveal the presence of the tint.)

Again, the tint is there, and it does appear over the entirety of the film. While it is not apparent throughout the entirety of the film, it is there. Peter Jackson did make deliberate color changes. If this is one of them, he and Lesnie applied a constant green tint over the whole of the film. The issue at the heart of this discussion is not the product of a selective, scene by scene adjustment.

Hope that helps clarify!

(Even so, yes, it is still notably superior to the theatrical transfer )

Ken, you are right I should have worded that more carefully. I should have said the tinting is only negatively apparent to me in a few scenes.

[frogmort]

Would the green tint possibly cause the very darkest parts of the picture to lose any slightest amount of detail?

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Vendetta-akk

Ken, you are right I should have worded that more carefully. I should have said the tinting is only negatively apparent to me in a few scenes.

Oh, no problem at all. I'm just taking a stab at getting everyone on the same page so we can discuss how apparent the tint is rather than whether it exists. Debate about whether it's there or not seems to lead to fist fights around here

Thanks for your impressions, though! I'm sure many people will find them most helpful

[mredman]

Originally Posted by oaguirre

Apparently the U.K. version doesn´t have the green tint...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/united-kin...ml#post4879116

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Its been hard not to post here for a week now, when you have posted here since 2008

Looking at this picture it seems to be a very stellar release and way better then the Theatrical release of FOTR like Ken said.

Still waiting for an official statement by Peter Jackson about this tint issue. I am 95% positive he will say it is intentional as many who now has the set in their hands and has seen it for themselves say if they would guess they would also say it is intentional. But we will see in time.

[Monkey]

aside form the Tint debate. How does the PQ and AQ compare to the first LotR's releases on blu-ray? I haven't watched either and I'm thinkign of buying a set. I see the original blu-ray release is pretty inexpensive.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Monkey

aside form the Tint debate. How does the PQ and AQ compare to the first LotR's releases on blu-ray? I haven't watched either and I'm thinkign of buying a set. I see the original blu-ray release is pretty inexpensive.

All say it is WAY superior even with the tint Which IMO is intentional

[ClaytonMG]

Does anyone know if these are discrete DTS-HD MA 6.1 titles or if the back channel is matrixed?

[Vendetta-akk]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Would the green tint possibly cause the very darkest parts of the picture to lose any slightest amount of detail?

This is just my opinion, but I didn't think it did. I saw a screen shot many many pages back on the scene where the ringwraith leans over the Hobbits who are hiding under the tree. It looked really dark. But watching that scene today, I thought it looked great. The contrast and clarity in that scene were very strong. But, as is always the case this is greatly affected by calibration.

[gstriftos]

As far as i know,discrete.

[mg428]

I have posted the below in the LOTR EE blu-ray U.K. thread as well:

Although I do not have either the U.S. or the U.K. version of the LOTR EE blu-ray set, from the videos posted on youtube, I can 99% confirm that (1) each film's U.S. case is the same case as the U.S. edition of the Lost Final Season blu-ray set, aside from the color difference in the said cases; and (2) each film's U.K. case is the same case as the U.K. editions of the Lost Season 4 and Season 5 blu-ray sets.

Let's take blu-ray case of the Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition as an example. This case, in the U.S., shall be the same size with the case of U.S. edition Lost Final Season blu-ray set which includes the entire season, whereas in the U.K., such case shall be the same size with the case of U.K. edition of Lost Season 4 or Season 5 blu-ray sets which also include the entire respective season.

Note that all the Lost sets mentioned above, be they the U.S. or U.K. edition, include 5 discs. This is the same situation with either the U.S. or U.K. edition of LOTR EE blu-ray sets.

In case you wonder how I am 99% sure, the cases (except the color for the U.S. set) look exactly the same with the cases of the afore-mentioned Lost sets I own. Not to mention the same number of discs (5) in each case. Also, in case you wonder why I refer specifically to the U.S. edition Lost Final Season blu-ray and the U.K. edition of Lost Season 4 and Season 5 of blu-ray, I do not own the other seasons from either country. Therefore I cannot make any comment on whether, say, the case of the U.S. edition of Lost Season 1 blu-ray is the same as the case of the U.S. edition of the Return of the King EE blu-ray, or whether the case of the U.K. edition of Lost Season 2 blu-ray is the same as the case of U.K. edition of Two Towers EE blu-ray.

I hope this helps to people out there who are deliberating on whether they should buy the U.S. or U.K. edition of LOTR EE blu-ray. My take is the U.S. edition because, of all the 275+ titles I own, aside from the Mel Brooks Collection blu-ray set or similar extraordinary cases, I can easily say that my U.K. editions of Lost Season 4 and Season 5 blu-ray sets are by far the biggest cases in my collection. Indeed they are almost twice as big as the case of a regular Criterion blu-ray or a PS3 title. Speaking of Criterion blu-rays, I know that there are some titles, as far as I remember such as Seven Samurai, which are a bit bigger that most Criterion blu-rays, though I don't think they can measure up to the U.K. editions of Lost Season 4 and Season 5 blu-ray.

All in all, if bigger size concerns you, I would definetely recoomend that you go with the U.S. editon of LOTR EE blu-ray set.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by mredman

All say it is WAY superior even with the tint Which IMO is intentional

Thanks, that makes the choice easy even if twice as much it is still a bargain at Amazon prices.

[LordCrumb]

Has anyone actually phoned Wingnut Films to see what they say?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by KaiGusto

Has anyone actually phoned Wingnut Films to see what they say?

Don't you live down there? Would you do us a favor and call them for us?

[nightcrawler]

For anyone interested I posted my thoughts on the LOTR EE Blu-rays (specifically FOTR) over in the UK thread. Here's what I said;

Got my copy today from HMV It was well packaged - no dents at all. Have to say I love the boxset itself, which opens up like a book. Housed inside is 3 thick amaray cases, each with 2 trays inside. The amaray cases are unfortunately the standard colour - we don't get the sexy black ones that the US are getting

Now on to the whole green tint issue. I haven't yet watched the film from start to finish, but have skimmed a handful of key scenes (I watched these in a darkened room). First is the now infamous "ring-in-snow" scene. On my tv there seems to be a little push more towards blue than green (probably to make it feel colder). Seconds later though where Boromir holds up the ring the picture looks fine, with clear blue (not green or teal) skies above him, and white snow behind him. In fact I saw plenty of blue skies and white clouds in various scenes that I looked at. I then looked at some of the Hobbiton scenes. These often looked great, but some seemed darker, looking somewhat underexposed. Another infamous screenshot is the "wake-up-in-Rivendell" shot. On my TV it looked more of an off-white. I'd say about 95% white, and 5% something else (can't pinpoint the colour). It definitely doesn't look like the pea-green colour I've been seeing in some screenshots on the US thread though.

For me the green tint isn't an issue. I'm not saying it's not there - but when the film is actually playing you really have to look for it. I saw plenty of scenes that look just fine with no hint of green whatsoever, and plenty of scenes which include white that looks like white and skies that are blue. Most of the time I just couldn't see any green tint, and when I could see it it was hardly noticable and definitely didn't detract from the movie. If my opinion changes when I've watched the film from start to finish I'll post again.

I think this whole green tint thing is very subjective to each person's eyes, how their tv/monitor is calibrated (or not) and other factors. After what I have seen I'd be quite surprised if they did a disc replacement program, and even if they did if I'm not sure I'd even send mine in now. I think the online reviews have been pretty spot-on so far in terms of their PQ ratings. Overall I'm happy (& relieved!) with my Blu-ray of FOTR, and I think the majority of the public will be too.

[gstriftos]

Originally Posted by Monkey

aside form the Tint debate. How does the PQ and AQ compare to the first LotR's releases on blu-ray? I haven't watched either and I'm thinkign of buying a set. I see the original blu-ray release is pretty inexpensive.

Excepting FotR(for those exact reasons) the other 2 look way more better,IMHO.
Audio has puzzled me though.
I hear it to be better ,specifically in terms of:
1)dialog and music clarity
2)Some effects,e.g. Balrog's ''scream'',have more punch and presence
3)Surround effects seem more ''alive and kicking''

There may be also some more punch in LFE but I no longer have a proper measuring system for low frequencies and my sub (ASW1000) doesn't give me the credibility for testing under 30-25Hz.


Due to the fact that audio is by 99% subjective,I am waiting for other reports or some waterfalls so as to be less puzzled

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Oh, no problem at all. I'm just taking a stab at getting everyone on the same page so we can discuss how apparent the tint is rather than whether it exists. Debate about whether it's there or not seems to lead to fist fights around here

Thanks for your impressions, though! I'm sure many people will find them most helpful

Likewise, I'm glad you have clarified this. Essentially we are taking about a 'slight' change, imperceptable even in many, if not most parts of the film. Clearly the measuring equipment can see this, and that can't be refuted. Whether it's perceptible, or off putting will depend on the person. I thought it looked, to quote Ken 'notably superior to the theatrical transfer'.

People, please stop worrying about this. It looks great. I'm sure most of you will be very happy indeed.