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Old 03-16-2011, 10:49 AM   #541
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I'd just like Jackson to rewrite/re-edit the Two Towers and Return of the King.

The Fellowship extended edition is perfect...it's a near perfect adaptation of Tolkien's text.

A prime example is in the Two Towers extended cut that has a scene that wasn't in the theatricals with Aragorn and Gandalf where through exposition, Gandalf summaries to the audiences and Aragorn where we are in the story. Now, it's been a while since I've read the Rings Trilogy but that particular scene is brilliant. It feels like Tolkien but I'm not even entirely sure that's based on Tolkien's text. Still, it feels very, very Tolkien. And when Jackson did that, the films soared. When they got away from it too much, they're a mixed bag to poor at best.

Fellowship extended, even though that film is very much adapted, feels through and through for it's 3 hours and 30 minutes very much Tolkien.

As I've been saying for 11 years, the Fellowship Extended is the best fantasy film since the original Star Wars. Period. The other two are in need of a re-edit that reaches the heights of Fellowship.

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Old 03-16-2011, 11:07 AM   #542
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https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6027&page=

Here's what I have guessed:

6 BDs - Films
6 DVDs - Special Features
3 DVDs - from the limited Editions

Digital Copies are online per the article.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:24 AM   #543
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Makes sense.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:46 AM   #544
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Exactly.

People got so spoiled, they're not only dissatisfied with these movies, they already want a reboot! BBC...HBO... well - it ain't - gonna - happen...
Im not dissatisfied in any way whatsoever with what we currently have. First and foremost, I am a Lord of the Rings fan, so I would gladly support any attempt to bring other versions to our screens. If the BBC ever decided to do some kind of series (highly unlikely, I know) I doubt it would be classed as a reboot.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:55 AM   #545
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Does anyone know wether the Theatrical Editions will be packaged with this set also??

I prefer them as the EE are just a tad too long for my liking but I don't want to buy the current set because of the apparently bad transfer.

Are we assuming the films themselves will definitely be remastered??
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:00 PM   #546
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Longer than that... it would have been 600 yards if he had been in the throne room, not in the Houses of the Dead.

PJ definitely left no interpretation of a more noble Denethor who SHOULD have been a good guy but gave in to despair and was subtly influenced by the Enemy. The EE should have been able to rehabilitate him some, but didn't even try.

How long before anyone will try a proper reboot?

A new animated series would probably be easier. Figure 3 or 4 hours per book would be plenty to hit all the subplots. Modern animation with the good stuff from Rankin/Bass without the cheese
You do realize in the appendices of the EE they explain why certain elements were changed. Jackson flat out said that certain things did not transpire over well at all to film. The oft rumored version of the film the actors received is apparently a ton more complete then the EE, and p[possibly coming to Blu in the Ultimate versions we will receive a few years after the last Hobbit film.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:33 PM   #547
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each movie must be on two discs, which is great news, the digital copies will be available online
yay!
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:07 PM   #548
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How long before anyone will try a proper reboot?
Not soon enough.

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You want somebody to remake it already? I think these will be the only versions we have for a long time; at this point, it's like asking when somebody will remake Star Wars.
That's not the same. Star Wars was solely a creation of George Lucas. LOTR is not a creation of Peter Jackson.

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These adaptations have been lauded by critics, audiences, & the Academy. It's going to be a long time. As it should be. The films themselves are phenomenal achievements. They exist alongside the books without trying to supplant them. I for one, appreciate every one of the differences between novel and film. The fact that there are differences makes it all the more wonderful an experience when I go back to read the books.
Think how much better they will be when they are done right.

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Actually I wholeheartedly agree with Uxi. Bring on the re-boots.

I really want to see someone else give this fantastic story a go.

And with the way Hollywood is churning out the remakes lately, we my not have to wait that long.
I hope it's less time than between Bakshi's version and Jackson's. With the advances in CGI animation, I think that would be the best way to go.

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I'm glad Bombadil/Barrows weren't in the movies. Seemed like extra/info overload that didn't add much to the story.
True. But there are many other things in the book that were left out of the movies that WOULD have added much to the story.

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even in Bakshi's 'Lord of the Rings' - the screenplay written by Peter S. Beagle - he did some really interesting things with the characters, notably when Gandalf asks if the fellowship should go through the Mines of Moria, in Jackson's version Frodo outright decides the group should, in the hands of Peter S. Beagle Frodo retorts "If Gandalf wishes so", essentially in the live action version Frodo comes across as someone who makes brash unwise decisions, in LoTR (Bakshi) he twists the circumstances and makes Frodo less of a nitwit.
That's because Bakshi was trying to make Frodo more like the Frodo in the book.

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You do realize in the appendices of the EE they explain why certain elements were changed. Jackson flat out said that certain things did not transpire over well at all to film.
I, and several others I'm sure, are aware of that. Just because Jackson said those things doesn't mean he is right or that everyone has to agree that they were the best choices. They were his OPINIONS on how the movies should have been made.

As another writer said when reviewing these movies - They are great achievements, but not definitive. The definitive version of LOTR has yet to be made.

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Old 03-16-2011, 01:21 PM   #549
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https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6027&page=

Here's what I have guessed:

6 BDs - Films
6 DVDs - Special Features
3 DVDs - from the limited Editions

Digital Copies are online per the article.
Is the Limited Edition the same as Extended Edition or am I missing something?
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:22 PM   #550
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Does anyone know wether the Theatrical Editions will be packaged with this set also??

I prefer them as the EE are just a tad too long for my liking but I don't want to buy the current set because of the apparently bad transfer.

Are we assuming the films themselves will definitely be remastered??
We dont know for sure yet, but I would say its a very safe bet that the TEs will NOT be included in this set.
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:34 PM   #551
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As another writer said when reviewing these movies - They are great achievements, but not definitive. The definitive version of LOTR has yet to be made.
And none will ever be made in any way sharpe or form. Why? Because they will always be a interpretation of the work of Tolkien and nothing more. Some will like what is being done and others will not, it's that simple.

frankly, asking for a reboot now is a bit silly for these 3 movies made a decade ago. Most of you are always crying that Hollywood is always remaking everything in every threads in this forum and now you want these to be remake...come now!!!

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Old 03-16-2011, 01:49 PM   #552
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so if i'm reading that table on amazon right, this set doesn't include any extras that haven't been released somewhere previously correct??
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:59 PM   #553
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https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6027&page=

Here's what I have guessed:

6 BDs - Films
6 DVDs - Special Features
3 DVDs - from the limited Editions

Digital Copies are online per the article.
On the DVD side, the EE/LE Special features include all of the theatrical stuff, so combining those with the Regular TE dvd would be the same content over. That is going by what the news story posted today says.

I really don't get why so many DVDs.

Also, from the TE Blu-ray Review:

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Fans pining for the hours and hours of special features originally included on New Line's sprawling Platinum Series Special Edition DVDs will have to wait for the inevitable Blu-ray release of Peter Jackson's extended cuts to get their much deserved supplemental fill. The three theatrical cuts arrive with a more meager selection of features that barely scratch the surface of the trilogy's massive production and the filmmakers' tireless efforts. Moreover, the majority of the content on hand is spread across three DVD discs and presented in lowly standard definition (the lone exception being the various videogame and theatrical trailers found on each film's Blu-ray disc, all of which are encoded in HD). Ultimately, diehards and completists who share an optimistic view of Warner's Big Picture may be satisfied with the studio's initial volley of bonus materials, but most everyone else will be sorely disappointed, whether considering overall quality or quantity.

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Old 03-16-2011, 02:09 PM   #554
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And none will ever be made in any way sharpe or form. Why? Because they will always be a interpretation of the work of Tolkien and nothing more. Some will like what is being done and others will not, it's that simple.

frankly, asking for a reboot now is a bit silly for these 3 movies made a decade ago. Most of you are always crying that Hollywood is always remaking everything in every threads in this forum and now you want these to be remake...come now!!!
They could be made. Interpretations aside, there have been more than one radio adaptation made of LOTR, and there wasn't a huge time gap between them. And yes, a movie reboot this soon is highly unlikely. We can dream though, can't we?

Even though the BBC made a very good radio adaptation of LOTR, it wasn't without its quirks. Bombadil was left out (not what I mean by a quirk), yet much of the plot and character development was right in line with the book. What seems silly is the idea that Jackson was "forced" to change so much to make it more filmable, YET the BBC was able to make a much more faithful adaptation for radio. I don't buy Jackson's excuses.

A reboot could be made with someone like Patrick Stewart doing some narration to put in material that doesn't need to be filmed.

Although the BBC might be able to be involved in a reboot, I have reservations because of their bad choices with projects like the Grenada Sherlock Holmes series and also their poor judgement in the Murder Rooms series.

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Old 03-16-2011, 02:22 PM   #555
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now i'm remembering why i don't come into these threads.
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Old 03-16-2011, 02:41 PM   #556
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now i'm remembering why i don't come into these threads.
Yet here you are.

Perhaps you would be more excited at the idea of a reboot if Michael F-ING Bay did it.

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Old 03-16-2011, 02:58 PM   #557
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Yet here you are.

Perhaps you would be more excited at the idea of a reboot if Michael F-ING Bay did it.

Brett Ratner would be a better choice. Bay's films are just too long.
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Old 03-16-2011, 03:11 PM   #558
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Five discs for each film seems pretty wasteful and unecessary to me. If they're gonna split the movies over two BDs, why don't they spread the extras over them as well? The longest one is ROTK. With two hours on each disc, there should be more than enough space to fit 7 GBs or so of SD extras on each, especially since WB never fills their discs to capacity anyway.
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Old 03-16-2011, 03:11 PM   #559
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Yet here you are.

Perhaps you would be more excited at the idea of a reboot if Michael F-ING Bay did it.
i came in to check out the special features that are going to be on this set.....but every time i come in here, someone is b!tching about these movies and how they could've been so much better and what not.

i love these movies. i'm actually reading the 1st book right now as well.

but to say these need to be rebooted @ this point is insane.

and to even talk about it is ridiculous.....people always comeplain about how hollywood has no original ideas and is just rebooting everything.

why reboot a series of films that are damn good in almost every way??

i actually loathe the idea of these being rebooted.....and so what if i like bay's films???

and if a narrative is put over any future movie, it's just going to be pegged as hollywood dumbing it down for the audience....just like in blade runner.

and by the way.....the bombadil chapter in the book is by far the worst part of the series.

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Old 03-16-2011, 03:26 PM   #560
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if they are spreading the films over two discs why dont they include both versions of the films? i am personally waiting for the set that has both the theatrical and extended versions of the films included to be released.
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