The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I also find Taxi Driver to be too green, as well. Great detail, but a little muddy in contrast and green.

Yours is an aesthetic personal opinion of which I obviously don't agree with. Perhaps reading the paragraph on 'Color Grading' will provide some clarification -

http://magazine.creativecow.net/arti...-driveri-in-4k

[frogmort]

Have any of you read Mr. Harris' "review" in this first post?

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...ion-in-blu-ray

[Show spoiler]"How many films truly endure decades and the test of time?

Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, The Wizard of Oz, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gone with the Wind…

Think about it.

How many films are purposefully passed down from parent to child, generation to generation, as something that has attained a sense of wonderment, and endures that passage of time.

From the masterworks of J.R.R Tolkien, filmmaker Peter Jackson has created a motion picture trilogy that not only has that quality to endure, but now Warner Home Video has brought Mr. Jackson’s work to Blu-ray as he wishes them to be seen.

The imagery and audio of these new editions are not only problem free, but have a very special majesty and exultation about them-- perfect in every frame.

Make no mistake. The new Blu-rays of Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy on Blu-ray are a ceaseless wonder that will survive the generations. They demand your attention.

Colin McKenzie would be pleased.

Very Highly Recommended.
RAH"

Colin Mckenzie is a fictional character from a Peter Jackson mockumentary entitled 'Forgotten Silver'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Silver

I find it odd that he would make a tongue-in-cheek mock review, citing a fictional character as a reference, for such a monumental release. Is he making fun of us, or what? I just don't get it.

[joenostalgia23]

I think I know what you're saying about Taxi Driver. It definitely looked different to me, but I still thought the film looked fantastic and I know that it's what Scorsese wanted. I'm actually surprised by how upset people were getting over the teal/cyan(it's not really green) tint.

Many catalog titles look different when you look at their comparisons. I think The Godfather's color correction was also altered to look warmer. Blade Runner: The Final Cut also looks different from the previous DVD releases to me. The remastered Gladiator had a noticably different color correction applied too. Criterion's Pierot Le Fou looked very different as well. Actually, lot of Criterion's older films seem to have different looking color timings based on dvdbeaver comparison shots. So I'm kind of surprised by how much uproar this one single film has caused.

[Penman61]

I will say that RAH is only hurting himself and his reputation by his lack of professionalism as far as this issue goes from my perspective and IMO. It is disappointing to see someone of his position be so closed minded to one side of this debate that many fans are legitimately VERY concerned about, even going as far as making fun and mocking the green haters in one of his posts over at HTF. His posts feel more like damage control instead of genuinely trying to "help". I have definitely lost some respect for him unfortunately with this whole fiasco. Sorry, but that is honestly how I feel and I certainly respect those who disagree since perception will change from one person to another for many various reasons.

Couldn't agree more. It's sad.

[EVOLVIST]

Someone on another forum brought up an interesting point - and it might have been touched on here, as well - yet it was quickly glossed over, on the other forum, to wit:

Could it logically be that quality control was so low that Jackson, if not Lesnie, didn't view the final pressing of the BD to make sure it was cool before giving the final okay? Stanger things have happened - but how could they not have viewed the final product as a consumer would, before giving the thumbs up on all their work, after all the grief surrounding the BD release for Fellowship, TE?

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yours is an aesthetic personal opinion of which I obviously don't agree with. Perhaps reading the paragraph on 'Color Grading' will provide some clarification -

http://magazine.creativecow.net/arti...-driveri-in-4k

I do agree with you. I have never seen Taxi Driver during its theatrical run because I was not alive. I only have known it based on DVD releases. In light of this article, I would say that the Blu would accurately represent the theatrical experience, which is what I look for in Blu. I would imagine my initial reaction to Taxi Driver is akin to those who didn't like the restoration of The Godfather.

Great article, by the way! And I'm ashamed I've never seen Bridge on the River Kwai!

[Dino Last]

Still people are insisting that FOTR is messed up?
Look I have the films and they look great. Saruman is not now Saurman the Green, and Frodo still wakes up in nice white Rivendale pillows and sheets, also Rivendale still has nice white buildings.

[42041]

To me the evidence, such as the trailer and Penton-man's statements regarding the compression work, suggests the green cast is present in at least the HD master tape, and maybe in the 2k master, and isnt a disc authoring issue.

[Cook]

I really like the French packaging.

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

On this note, in the interest of being respectful I will only say... I am proud to be a member of this site... And that sentiment is only enriched by the fact that we have Ken Brown as a reviewer here.

I think we can all agree that Mr. Brown's review of this set was world class... And quite frankly is head and shoulders above any other that has been done to this point(including Mr. Hunt's and Mr. Harris's) in it's scope and professionalism.

In the interest of being respectful, I'll limit my comments to that as far as Mr. Hunt's and Mr Harris's roles are concerned so far on this matter... They have their right to their opinion and how they want to address these issues.

I'm happy Ken Brown is our reviewer here... End of story.

This is not a matter of respect, as I have great respect for Mr. Brown's reviews. It is also not a problem with Mr. Brown.

My statement addressed numerous people, not necessarily even on this site, who have picked up on Mr. Brown's statement, which is opinion -- as my statements are opinion -- and are running with it around the web creating even more uncertainty than already exists, at a time when people need to get ahold of final product, see it for themselves, and find their own comfort levels.

As I read Mr. Brown's words, he feels that there is an overall change toward green, and that the change as viewed, takes greens further toward green, but also in much more minimal ways is apparent in other colors.

That has now been picked up and changed to "overall green," which does not reflect his review, and that was what I was addressing.

For the record, Mr. Brown and I exchanged PMs earlier in the week confirming that we were both viewing the same pressing.

I would not wish my words to be taken in any way as a negative toward someone that I respect.

RAH

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Cook

I really like the French packaging.

[Show spoiler]

Sweet...this is the best looking edition in my opinion.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Penman61

Couldn't agree more. It's sad.

We're forgetting that it's old hat to Mr Harris now....

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Jesting aside I think everyone deserves to be happy with their purchases to a certain degree and whether it's a small minority that dislike the colour changes or not I don't know, but it would be nice to hear an official statement (I'd imagine once the release date comes we will) for those buyers who are on the fence about the changes or are uncertain whether the changes are intentional or an error occurred during mastering.

That French version looks fantastic! I love the black amaray's! Luckily Fellowship isn't called Version Vert!

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by chip75

We're forgetting that it's old hat to Mr Harris now....

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Jesting aside I think everyone deserves to be happy with their purchases to a certain degree and whether it's a small minority that dislike the colour changes or not I don't know, but it would be nice to hear an official statement (I'd imagine once the release date comes we will) for those buyers who are on the fence about the changes or are uncertain whether the changes are intentional or an error occurred during mastering.

That French version looks fantastic! I love the black amaray's! Luckily Fellowship isn't called Version Vert!

Your spoiler is hysterical.

RAH

[mg428]

Originally Posted by diman1982

HDTV


Bluray EE

Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris may not be agreeing on the "tint" issue, but it seems that they are, and many other people out there, agree on the superiority of the FOTR EE to FOTR TE in terms of sharpness and detail.

But from what I see on these screenshots, the EE is worse than HDTV nonetheless.

Dear Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris: Could you please comment on how come the non-1080p HDTV version of FOTR EE seems to be superior in terms of sharpness and detail in than the FOTR EE blu-ray??

Perhaps this issue is more important than color grading...

[42041]

er, where do you see that?

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by mg428

Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris may not be agreeing on the "tint" issue, but it seems that they are, and many other people out there, agree on the superiority of the FOTR EE to FOTR TE in terms of sharpness and detail.

But from what I see on these screenshots, the EE is worse than HDTV nonetheless.

Dear Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris: Could you please comment on how come the non-1080p HDTV version of FOTR EE seems to be superior in terms of sharpness and detail in than the FOTR EE blu-ray??

Perhaps this issue is more important than color grading...

I think if you look at the majority of screenshots and clips, you'll see that while the new color grading is definitely worth some debate, the picture quality has greatly increased. This scene is very dark, and really they look exactly the same to me(apart from the magenta/teal hues). There might be some DNR or Edge Enhancement applied to the HDTV version, but I can't really tell. Look at screenshot comparisons of Rivendell and you'll see an enormous increase in clarity and detail.

And I think Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris, two professionals who have actually seen the discs in motion, would be able to tell that the picture looked worse. I'm sure that their reviews are accurate when they say that the sharpness and detail is better and that they don't need forum posters to ask them to watch them once again just to make sure that it looks good based on screenshots.

[mg428]

42041 and joenostalgia23: There seems to be no doubt that EE is superior to TE and when many people including Mr. Harris and Mr. Brown say that EE is superior in terms of sharpness and detail, as far as I see they say this based on the comparison between EE and TE.

But when the HDTV version comes into play and when we leave the TE aside and just compare EE and HDTV version, to my unprofessional eye, HDTV version has more detail. You may also compare with the regraded version of the EE with HDTV version in the below post:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/4886585-post5777.html

If DNR was applied to the HDTV version, that's another story. I don't and cannot know that. Perhaps Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris may comment on whether sharpness and clarity of HDTV version is better and whether if DNR has been applied to this version.

PS. I am not asking them to re-watch anything. They may already have the requisite info about these issues I am asking and reply, if they want, off-hand.

[griezzel]

from Cameron Yee @ Home Theater Forum

In daylight and outdoor scenes, the cooler tone is less obvious, but still detectable; however, it doesn't adversely affect the rendering of flesh tones nor the purity of whites.

The aerial shot of the snow-covered mountain pass used in one video sample does indeed appear strongly and uniformly tinted, but - not surprisingly - it's an anomaly. Unfortunately, this non-representative sample (which lasts all of eight seconds in a film that contains over 13,000 of them) has gotten repeated play and been interpreted as an indication of how the film looks in its entirety. In fact the whites in the scene right after that aerial - the one in which Boromir picks up the Ring from the snow - goes back to what most would consider "pure."

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by mg428

42041 and joenostalgia23: There seems to be no doubt that EE is superior to TE and when many people including Mr. Harris and Mr. Brown say that EE is superior in terms of sharpness and detail, as far as I see they say this based on the comparison between EE and TE.

But when the HDTV version comes into play and when we leave the TE aside and just compare EE and HDTV version, to my unprofessional eye, HDTV version has more detail. You may also compare with the regraded version of the EE with HDTV version in the below post:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/4886585-post5777.html

If DNR was applied to the HDTV version, that's another story. I don't and cannot know that. Perhaps Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris may comment on whether sharpness and clarity of HDTV version is better and whether if DNR has been applied to this version.

PS. I am not asking them to re-watch anything. They may already have the requisite info about these issues I am asking and reply, if they want, off-hand.

I can't be of much help here, as I've not seen the HDTV version, but please keep in mind that (I presume) it would be 1080i at best.

RAH

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by mg428

42041 and joenostalgia23: There seems to be no doubt that EE is superior to TE and when many people including Mr. Harris and Mr. Brown say that EE is superior in terms of sharpness and detail, as far as I see they say this based on the comparison between EE and TE.

But when the HDTV version comes into play and when we leave the TE aside and just compare EE and HDTV version, to my unprofessional eye, HDTV version has more detail. You may also compare with the regraded version of the EE with HDTV version in the below post:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/4886585-post5777.html

If DNR was applied to the HDTV version, that's another story. I don't and cannot know that. Perhaps Mr. Brown and Mr. Harris may comment on whether sharpness and clarity of HDTV version is better and whether if DNR has been applied to this version.

PS. I am not asking them to re-watch anything. They may already have the requisite info about these issues I am asking and reply, if they want, off-hand.

The Theatrical Edition and the HDTV version seemed to be made from the same masters. I really don't see where the sharpness and clarity differ between the two Saruman scenes. Maybe you can point out an area of the screen where the detail differs? If there is a shift in quality, it's so minute that it hardly affects the release compared to the numerous amounts of scenes that are superior in sharpness and quality in the theatrical.

and RAH makes a good point. The HDTV version is 1080i which in most cases, would immediately look worse(especially in motion) than the 1080p master.