The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I honestly don't understand how anyone could put any faith in a random person on Imdb. Maybe two people, but not just one random guy.

Well, for what it's worth - I concur with that report. To my eyes, everything I've seen on screencaps and youtube videos matches what I saw two Tuesdays ago. If, as some have said, there was no green tint - then the green tint is having little to no effect on my perception of the picture. I was startled (not necessarily in a negative way) by the immense color changes to FotR.

If there wasn't any green tint at the theater, then PJ has still made major changes to the colors and I suspect many will not be happy with the picture even if there is a recall.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

There is a lot I dont understand about his posts, but I do find him entertaining I must admit! I think if this film was released in black and white, he would still defend it to the death!

On the other hand you have people here plain ignoring RAH's statements that he's seen the actual discs on a calibrated system and doesn't see anything wrong with them. That to me seems just as daft as believing some random guy on imdb

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by PGW

For all you "oh, it's intentional" folk... explain, please, why only the first film is affected.

because it's always been inconsistent with the picture quality of TtT and RotK. so naturally it's going to look like it's undergone the biggest change?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Well, for what it's worth - I concur with that report. To my eyes, everything I've seen on screencaps and youtube videos matches what I saw two Tuesdays ago. If, as some have said, there was no green tint - then the green tint is having little to no effect on my perception of the picture. I was startled (not necessarily in a negative way) by the immense color changes to FotR.

If there wasn't any green tint at the theater, then PJ has still made major changes to the colors and I suspect many will not be happy with the picture even if there is a recall.

I have enough faith in Peter Jackson to accept his true intent. If you watch ROTK TE, when Pippin finds Merry after 'The Battle of the Pellenor Fields', it is daytime, but in the EE, it is dusk or early night.

That is a color grading change. It isn't a global green hue change. They are not the same.

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

They should use more eco-friendly packaging!

You forgot:
They should use less eco-friendly packaging!

Originally Posted by PGW

For all you "oh, it's intentional" folk... explain, please, why only the first film is affected.

Um, have you not been paying attention at all? I'm not gonna weigh in on the question of this being intentional or not, but the reason why only the first film is affected is that it was the only one that was reworked with new digital grading. That much is a fact, there's no debate on that issue.

[radagast]

The cloaks given to the hobbits by Lady Galadriel seem bluer than I remember. I will have to compare to the TEs.

[omicron]

Originally Posted by mredman

This thread will go nuclear if they come out and say it is intentional.

Hahaha. This thread has been nuclear for a while already. Post release or if there is any word on whether or not it is intentional I expect we will find out what comes after nuclear.

[borninusa]

This may have already been mentioned...
But just a bit ago, I saw an advertisement for the set on on the tv. They showed a quick scene of the Fellowship walking up the mountain in the snow....very green tint to it.
My point....intentional? I would think. Screwed up disc? Bettin' not
Again..sorry if this was mentioned....

[mredman]

Originally Posted by omicron

Hahaha. This thread has been nuclear for a while already. Post release or if there is any word on whether or not it is intentional I expect we will find out what comes after nuclear.

end of the world

[EVOLVIST]

Originally Posted by PGW

Nonsense.

For all you "oh, it's intentional" folk... explain, please, why only the first film is affected.

And not some "Well, it's Peter's artistic judgement that the first film should be lime green and the other films look perfectly natural...". That doesn't fly with ANY sense of logic... here or in Middle Earth.

Because FoTR was the first film, without benefit of hindsight. It is a marginally older film than the others. It was shot a little differently, the production crew’s mindset was different (and sped up); but also, most importantly nobody had any idea that the film would succeed. Because of this, the post-production budget was very limited for Fellowship compared to the latter two films. It was only after the success of FoTR were Jackson and crew able to afford themselves a little more breathing room as the budget was incrementally increased from film to film. This, in fact, led to more polished productions, not necessitating the band-aids Jackson always felt the first film needed. Better production, better CG, more room for vision, etc.

Now that PJ has more work under his belt, after completing other films, and starting on the prequels, do you think these feelings he alluded to in interviews would have changed, or do you think they would have increased?

Again, right or wrong, 10 years later Jackson returns to only the first film (because only the first film had post-production problems, for the above reasons and more), and diddled in it. Again, if these greenie changes are intentional, who is to argue? And if they are not, then I will expect things to be rectified. Boldly rectified!

Even if these changes are not esthetically what I was looking for, I can much better swallow Jackson saying, “Hey, that’s it! I was finally able to nail the production value for FoTR,” rather than the silence. So, I feel you.

But also, again, and again, and again…There has been no reviewer, to date, who has said these changes in the color timing has adversely affected the viewing experience. We are still talking about high ratings, a sharper picture, and high detail all the way around. Just because it’s not what we’re used to does not make it bad.

If these changes were intentional, what it’s going to boil down to is each person rectifying these changes unto themselves.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by borninusa

This may have already been mentioned...
But just a bit ago, I saw an advertisement for the set on on the tv. They showed a quick scene of the Fellowship walking up the mountain in the snow....very green tint to it.
My point....intentional? I would think. Screwed up disc? Bettin' not
Again..sorry if this was mentioned....

I saw a commercial too and I didn't notice a green tint. I enjoyed what I saw.

[borninusa]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I saw a commercial too and I didn't notice a green tint. I enjoyed what I saw.

I thought the snow had a very green tint to it.

Is that going to deter me from buying it? Heck no. I still think it was all intentional and I am happy to have it come Tuesday

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by EVOLVIST

Because FoTR was the first film, without benefit of hindsight. It is a marginally older film than the others. It was shot a little differently, the production crew’s mindset was different (and sped up); but also, most importantly nobody had any idea that the film would succeed. Because of this, the post-production budget was very limited for Fellowship compared to the latter two films. It was only after the success of FoTR were Jackson and crew able to afford themselves a little more breathing room as the budget was incrementally increased from film to film. This, in fact, led to more polished productions, not necessitating the band-aids Jackson always felt the first film needed. Better production, better CG, more room for vision, etc.

Now that PJ has more work under his belt, after completing other films, and starting on the prequels, do you think these feelings he alluded to in interviews would have changed, or do you think they would have increased?

Again, right or wrong, 10 years later Jackson returns to only the first film (because only the first film had post-production problems, for the above reasons and more), and diddled in it. Again, if these greenie changes are intentional, who is to argue? And if they are not, then I will expect things to be rectified. Boldly rectified!

Even if these changes are not ethically what I was looking for, I can much better swallow Jackson saying, “Hey, that’s it! I was finally able to nail the production value for FoTR,” rather than the silence. So, I feel you.

But also, again, and again, and again…There has been no reviewer, to date, who has said these changes in the color timing has adversely affected the viewing experience. We are still talking about high ratings, a sharper picture, and high detail all the way around. Just because it’s not what we’re used to does not make it bad.

If these changes were intentional, what it’s going to boil down to is each person rectifying these changes unto themselves.

Now this is a level headed post. Well done my good sir.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by EVOLVIST

Because FoTR was the first film, without benefit of hindsight. It is a marginally older film than the others. It was shot a little differently, the production crew’s mindset was different (and sped up); but also, most importantly nobody had any idea that the film would succeed. Because of this, the post-production budget was very limited for Fellowship compared to the latter two films. It was only after the success of FoTR were Jackson and crew able to afford themselves a little more breathing room as the budget was incrementally increased from film to film. This, in fact, led to more polished productions, not necessitating the band-aids Jackson always felt the first film needed. Better production, better CG, more room for vision, etc.

Now that PJ has more work under his belt, after completing other films, and starting on the prequels, do you think these feelings he alluded to in interviews would have changed, or do you think they would have increased?

Again, right or wrong, 10 years later Jackson returns to only the first film (because only the first film had post-production problems, for the above reasons and more), and diddled in it. Again, if these greenie changes are intentional, who is to argue? And if they are not, then I will expect things to be rectified. Boldly rectified!

Even if these changes are not esthetically what I was looking for, I can much better swallow Jackson saying, “Hey, that’s it! I was finally able to nail the production value for FoTR,” rather than the silence. So, I feel you.

But also, again, and again, and again…There has been no reviewer, to date, who has said these changes in the color timing has adversely affected the viewing experience. We are still talking about high ratings, a sharper picture, and high detail all the way around. Just because it’s not what we’re used to does not make it bad.

If these changes were intentional, what it’s going to boil down to is each person rectifying these changes unto themselves.

if you have ever watched the extras on the dvd ee's..it tells how all 3 films were being shot at the same time..which is why i never bought into FOTR was filmed differently

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by punisher

if you have ever watched the extras on the dvd ee's..it tells how all 3 films were being shot at the same time..which is why i never bought into FOTR was filmed differently

He's talking about post-production. Try to keep up.

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by punisher

if you have ever watched the extras on the dvd ee's..it tells how all 3 films were being shot at the same time..which is why i never bought into FOTR was filmed differently

wasn't FotR still chemically treated? but TtT and RotK were not? wouldn't that explain some of the difference in picture quality between FotR and the two sequels?

[BasicGreatGuy]

Has anyone who ordered from Amazon, gotten a shipping notice yet, or the "preparing to ship soon.." ? I just checked mine and no hint of entering the shipping phase.

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by Larkitect

but wasn't FotR still chemically treated? but TtT and RotK where not? wouldn't that explain some of the difference in picture quality between FotR and the two sequels?

I believe you are correct.

[EVOLVIST]

Originally Posted by punisher

if you have ever watched the extras on the dvd ee's..it tells how all 3 films were being shot at the same time..which is why i never bought into FOTR was filmed differently

Well, yeah, principle photography was shot for all three films almost concurrently. There were still a ton of pick up shots for the 2 other films as they went along, but yeah, this is why they were able to get them out one right after the other.

But for films of this nature, mid-production to post-production is where it’s at. It’s what makes or breaks a film, with a lot of CGI, multifarious setting, et al – and in this case, the post-production for FoTR was a little broken. Not broken all to hell, obviously – but enough to where it doesn’t quite fit with the last two films.

Didn’t PJ allude to – in the very same commentary – that there were some things he wish he could have done, and a few things he wish he had time to correct? I believe so, if I’m not mistaken.

If you want to make a real argument as to why PJ didn’t mess with the color times for FoTR, then point back to why they didn’t make the color changes as they were putting the DVD extended editions together. That would have been a perfect time to do it, wouldn’t it?

Then again, when those DVD editions came out, before the advent of BDs, who would have thought that hi-def would have shown even more of the imperfections in the original master? Perhaps not even Jackson. And there you have it again. Let’s finally put the band-aid on in 2011.

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

So it's settled, it's intentional.

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