The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Cook]

I am looking for the cheapest deal possible for this. What is my best option for getting this the cheapest price possible on release day?

[Ispoke]

Just to lighten the mood a bit, it doesn't seem like Warner are worried as they are having a party on the 28th as posted at HMM

Warner Home Video is calling all elves, dwarves and hobbits to Los Angeles for a midnight release party celebrating the Blu-ray Disc release of The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy: Extended Edition.

At 12 a.m. June 28, Warner will host a “Rings” event at Best Buy’s West Los Angeles location (11301 W. Pico Blvd.) featuring cast member greetings, giveaways and a costume contest, with an all-expenses-paid trip to New Zealand as the top prize.

Costumes will be judged by representatives from TheOneRing.net as well as by Richard Taylor, co-owner and creative lead at special effects studio Weta Workshop. Other prizes include a solid gold version of The One Ring from Noble Collections, and life-size replicas of Frodo’s The Sting Sword. Warner also is giving away tickets to the final theatrical screening of The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Theatrical Series — The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, taking place at more than 500 theaters nationwide.

Along with the “Middle-earth Midnight Madness” event, Warner is marking the Blu-ray release with Facebook Q&As with “Rings” talent, TNT airings of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King on July 3, and a new The Lord of the Rings: War in the North! video game.

Better dig out my Gollum outfit.................. now where did I put that bit of cloth......





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[HeKS]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Nobody is denying the fact that there is a change in color correction.

And an intentional green tint added to just the first one of three films has been done exactly before:
The Matrix was revised for the DVD and Blu-ray releases so that the color timing would match up with its two sequels.

It's a pretty good chance that Peter Jackson intentionally changed the colors for this film because he wished that the films would look more like the other two. I just watched the theatrical edition Blu-rays four days ago, and the first film looks "warmer" than the other two. While Saruman carries this yellow-greenish tint(he wasn't to appear white, but off-white) in TTT, he looks a bit pink in FOTR. Not so "pink" that it disturbs me, but the same could be said about how "green" Saruman is.

Hello joe,

Do you not see that your comparison to what happened with the Matrix is nearly the opposite of what's going on here?

With the Matrix, a decision was made while making the two sequels a few years after the original film came out. Then the filmmakers decided to go back to the original and adjust the color timing to match look of the sequels when in the matrix.

With LOTR, we have 3 movies that were filmed pretty much at the same time, each of which used very specific and intentional color grading during post-processing, and all 3 films blended well in terms of coloring (the issue of picture quality is a generally a separate one). Yes there were some different color choices made in specific scenes of the different movies, but as a whole they flowed together nicely in terms of their color, and that's how it stayed through the TE DVDs, the EE DVDs, and the TE Blu-Rays released about a year ago.

But now, with the EE Blu-Rays, a blanket color change has been made to just the first of the three films that sets it noticeably apart from both of the other films, which remain relatively untouched from the state they've been in all these years. For this one film in the trilogy, they've adjusted the white-point to something akin to a pea green, losing some of the fine detail and removing every single trace and pixel of pure white in the entire film, utterly muting many of the rich colors in the film (compare the clothing on the hobbits between TE Blu and EE Blu), even though all the pure white has been left unmolested in the other two films.

Also, for those claiming the tint is actually bluish or teal as opposed to green, I don't believe this is correct. The best spot to look for the color of the tint is in a scene that would otherwise have pure white, and the best scene for that would seem to be the fade to white just before Frodo wakes in Rivendell, which is definitely a pea green color. Even if that fade was slightly off-white, it would still mean that the blanket tint was a slightly more vibrant pea green color, not blue or teal, which, by the way, would not be much better because any blanket tint to the whole film would have a negative impact.

This state of affairs just doesn't scream "intentional change" or "artistic choice". It screams "mistake". No reason that has been offered for why FOTR alone would have been subjected to this wholesale change makes even a lick of sense.

Take care,
HeKS

[joenostalgia23]

Pea green?!?!?!? Yes, the tint has removed all pure-white from the image but... Pea green? That tint is definitely there, but it is not so extreme that white is now pea green. Do you think the snowy mountains look like moss?

I've looked at every screenshot and YouTube clip and the tint is so subtle that without a pure-white reference right in front of me, I wouldnt notice a thing. Snow appears white to me and every professional review seems
And about the Matrix comparison, while they were all shot at the same time, FOTR was the first to be finished. Therefore the least amount of post production time and the least advanced software used. Another forum poster gave an excellent explanation earlier.

As for why FOTR is the only one to have it's color correction changed, that might be because Peter Jackson stated that FOTR was to have it's color correction changed with it's new remaster.

[Underworld54]

I wonder if people are going to see green just because they have their mind so hell bent on it being there. Damn that placebo effect.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Cook

I am looking for the cheapest deal possible for this. What is my best option for getting this the cheapest price possible on release day?

Yes, I am quoting myself so my question doesnt get lost in the ruckus over this tint business.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I wonder if people are going to see green just because they have their mind so hell bent on it being there. Damn that placebo effect.

You could also say:

"I wonder if people are going to see white just because they have their mind so hell bent on it being there. Damn that placebo effect."

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[CRD13NYC]

Originally Posted by CRD13NYC

Amazon status has changed to "shipping soon". Finally!
I have prime and expected delivery is release day. Here's hoping...

I just saw that my cc has been charged. Shipping status still hasn't changed, nor have I received e-mail yet. I would imagine I would have it tomorrow as previous new releases have followed the same pattern. If not, I'm going to be

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Cook

Yes, I am quoting myself so my question doesnt get lost in the ruckus over this tint business.

Looks like $69.99 at best buy or amazon is your best bet right now. However if you wait a couple months it probably will decrease a little.

[Reduman]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Just to lighten the mood a bit, it doesn't seem like Warner are worried as they are having a party on the 28th as posted at HMM



Better dig out my Gollum outfit.................. now where did I put that bit of cloth......





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Aaaaaaargh ..... it's GREEN!!

[NYorker]

...And yet not a word form WB or PJ regarding this whole mess. It's been what, almost 2 weeks like this?

[luwanda]

I haven't noticed any green tint whatsoever but i did notice the first movie is pretty damn dark, as nobody mentions that i guess its how the movie always looked, but i didn't remember it like that.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

You could also ask the question why he didn't make the color changes we are seeing now for the TE Blu Rays. That too would have been the perfect opportunity to do so. Apparently he authorized and approved color grading changes for the TE Blu Ray as well, but nothing like the slight green tint we are seeing throughout the picture now. I am just a little confused since the TE versions are his preferred versions and you would have thought he would have made sure his preferred versions matched the coloring of how he now wants them to look.

Probably because he just didn't want to get criticized for revising film history. Everyone would have been snivelling about that.

We would have had "Lucas Like" arguments then.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by NYorker

...And yet not a word form WB or PJ regarding this whole mess. It's been what, almost 2 weeks like this?

No news is good news I guess.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Hey mg428,

I would tend to think that the reason the HDTV broadcast looks better than the TE blu-ray is because HDTV didn't use DNR, or at least nowhere near as much as the TE blu-ray.

When it comes to the HDTV broadcast looking more detailed than the EE blu-ray, my guess is that it's entirely because of the green tint, which is washing out a lot of the fine detail in the image. As I believe has already been pointed out by someone else, the green tint, which it has been confirmed is measurably present throughout the film, is always interacting with and altering the other colors on the screen with the persistence and, at times, the intensity with which Sauron bent his will towards finding the one ring. And that makes sense, since both Sauron and the green tint are evil

In the case of this scene with Saruman, you have an image that is already trending, intentionally, toward a blue palette. However, with the green tint applied over top of the scene, you have yet another color manipulating the image in an unbalanced way, pushing it toward a teal/aqua color and muting some of the detail.

Even with the regraded version done by a user here (I forget his name at the moment) using an adjusted white-point, it seems unlikely to me that he'd be able to regain the full detail of the new HD master, since he's starting out with an image that may already have some information loss.

Take care,
HeKS

HDTV broadcasters use whichever files that they are given. Now since it has been on HDTV prior to even the TE release aho knows what version they have. Also it is 1080i

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I wonder if people are going to see green just because they have their mind so hell bent on it being there. Damn that placebo effect.

They might. But the color timing is preceived differently in motion and many complaining have not seen the BD's and most that have say it is fine.

[s2mikey]

Even though this green tint thing isnt the end of the world, Im getting tired of there always having to be "something" with these film sets that get released.

It seems that many(not all) sets end up with one or more of the following issues:

- Not all versions of the films included
- Content being changed
- New color tints added for no reason
- Lots of wasted discs with extras cramed in from previous versions
- Dumb packaging
- Whatever other nonsense they can come up with.

Can we just simply make huge, massive box sets with ALL versions of the films in normal packaging without any tinkering? Puhleeeze? Thanks.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Can we just simply make huge, massive box sets with ALL versions of the films in normal packaging without any tinkering? Puhleeeze? Thanks.

You will have to purchase again >>>
Ultimate Edition

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[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Pea green?!?!?!? Yes, the tint has removed all pure-white from the image but... Pea green? That tint is definitely there, but it is not so extreme that white is now pea green. Do you think the snowy mountains look like moss?

I've looked at every screenshot and YouTube clip and the tint is so subtle that without a pure-white reference right in front of me, I wouldnt notice a thing. Snow appears white to me and every professional review seems
And about the Matrix comparison, while they were all shot at the same time, FOTR was the first to be finished. Therefore the least amount of post production time and the least advanced software used. Another forum poster gave an excellent explanation earlier.

As for why FOTR is the only one to have it's color correction changed, that might be because Peter Jackson stated that FOTR was to have it's color correction changed with it's new remaster.

Amen to that. I totally agree, as do most who've actually seen the blu ray.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

You could also say:

"I wonder if people are going to see white just because they have their mind so hell bent on it being there. Damn that placebo effect."

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You could, but, as eloquently put by others, the eye sees white after a short time anyway! So I think we would all see white anyway!!



Arrrgghh!