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Old 06-27-2011, 05:20 PM   #6121
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i wounder if we went back in time. and all of these posts never was here and everybody got there lord of the rings ee edition. and watched them then came here to post there findings. how would it turn out? keep in mind we have a clear mind and dont have a clue that there is a possible problem. what do you think?
I think that would be the ideal scenario for WB because we will have all opened our boxes and therefore wouldn't be able to get a full refund on our purchases anymore.

Luckily a lot of us are conscientious enough to stop that happening by showing people beforehand what they'll be forking out their hard earned cash for and thereby giving them a choice of whether the set is worthwhile purchasing considering the premium price WB is asking for.

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Old 06-27-2011, 05:21 PM   #6122
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i wounder if we went back in time. and all of these posts never was here and everybody got there lord of the rings ee edition. and watched them then came here to post there findings. how would it turn out? keep in mind we have a clear mind and dont have a clue that there is a possible problem. what do you think?
Unfortunately, many studios have done their best to encourage this kind of pre-release scrutiny. It'd be nice to live in a world where the all the people in studios' home video departments have the necessary budget and skillset to produce flawless new transfers for every movie that deserves one, but unfortunately that ain't this world, and I never order something without checking captures first, especially at this price (I'd probably wait a few months even if everything looked 100% perfect to me).
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:24 PM   #6123
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I know, what an improvement.......For this Blu-ray the tagline should read...."Blu-ray: The new look of death"
I went over to Zona and looked at their series of screen shots of which they had 10 comparison pairs. The color in two of the shots looked worse in the EE BD, in six of them the EE looked better. Two others I rated as no preference.

In all of them the detail was better in the EE.





The bottom one is the EE.
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:25 PM   #6124
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Hey, maybe the screenshots are what it will look like. I am in the group of "wait and see what it looks like in person". I have never seen a screen shot that represents what you actually see when viewing the movie on your TV. I am not on any side on this. I will wait and see it with my own eyes and then judge. I do not sit here and claim things which I have not even seen or whatever.

Do you plan on getting this set or what are your plans? At least a rent to see for yourself?
If I had a side by side viewing, that would be the only way. I'm certainly not buying these. If these are Jackson's doing, then I chalk it up to an artistic F-Up. Either that or the guy just needs to see an eye doctor or for God's sake, get some anti-depressants. If it's a screw up at WB, then fix it. Seriously, talke about a muddled, depressing picture devoid of life. Way to go! Way to go! Considering this is the latest on-going fad in Hollywood to give us films that sport desaturated to death AND odd hue colors, I see it all as a an experiment in bad taste that hopefully will die off soon.
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:27 PM   #6125
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Why does everyone keep posting these screenshots when EVERYONE knows it's just gonna keep the same arguments going. Everytime a new pic comes in it is like a revolving door. Everyone has there own opinions, but come on people. Enough already. jeez it's like frackin high school again. It makes me wonder if this is jusy a paste and copy of every single page that has come before.
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:28 PM   #6126
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It COULD have something to do with them actually seeing the bluray....

More and more people who have actually seen the bluray are coming out and saying it looks great.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that is what is being said.
Not all have said it looks great though, so lets be fair. Opinions will be all over the map on this one........
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:30 PM   #6127
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I went over to Zona and looked at their series of screen shots of which they had 10 comparison pairs. The color in two of the shots looked worse in the EE BD, in six of them the EE looked better. Two others I rated as no preference.

In all of them the detail was better in the EE.





The bottom one is the EE.
Looks fabulous!
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:30 PM   #6128
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I went over to Zona and looked at their series of screen shots of which they had 10 comparison pairs. The color in two of the shots looked worse in the EE BD, in six of them the EE looked better. Two others I rated as no preference.

In all of them the detail was better in the EE.





The bottom one is the EE.
I'm afraid rivendell on the fotr ee blu-ray looks much better when you remove that green tint. Comparing it to the theatrical edition's colours is pointless because the colour grading in rivendell and many other scenes has been changed by PJ in the extended edition blu-ray and don't look anything like the theatrical blu-ray, even when you remove the green tint.

In some scenes like Rivendell and Frodo and Galadriel in Lothlorien, he's toned down the colours. In other scenes, like the One Ring reveal in Bag End and when they first enter the Lothlorien woods, they seem to have been strengthened. There are a lot of changes in colour grading relative to the theatrical blu-ray/ee dvd.

The overall impression that I get is that the colours get more muted as the film goes on, with the beginning in Hobbiton, the reveal in Bag End and Bilbo's party being the most colourful.

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Old 06-27-2011, 05:30 PM   #6129
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I have been glancing over this forum for the past week and can't believe how many of the same people keep saying the same things over and over again. Why can't everyone just agree to disagree and move on. I have been waiting to here someone give a detailed review of the Costa Botes docs as i have not seen these, but it seems the ONLY thing everyone is willing (or unwilling) to discuss is the tint on this set. I am not going to even say anything about it as I have not seen it myself and will wait til I see it myself. I thought this thread was about the WHOLE set and not just the first movie. It seems to me that this thread has gone off topic and this whole tint issue should have had it's own thread from the get go. Just my opinion so please don't hate on me, but i came here to hear specifics of the whole set and not about whether this tint on only the first movie was or wasn't intentional and nothing else.

Thanks for reading.
Nate Boss @ High-Def Digest has written an exhaustive review of the boxset, saying he spent more time on the Botes docs than "some" other reviews spend on the whole set. It should be posted sometime today and it will be THE deciding judgement for me, not just if I buy the set but if I even bother to watch it at all. I don't want to waste my time with a botched transfer as my "too watch" list is enormous.

Already up!
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4590..._extended.html

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Old 06-27-2011, 05:31 PM   #6130
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If I had a side by side viewing, that would be the only way. I'm certainly not buying these. If these are Jackson's doing, then I chalk it up to an artistic F-Up. Either that or the guy just needs to see an eye doctor or for God's sake, get some anti-depressants. If it's a screw up at WB, then fix it. Seriously, talke about a muddled, depressing picture devoid of life. Way to go! Way to go! Considering this is the latest on-going fad in Hollywood to give us films that sport desaturated to death AND odd hue colors, I see it all as a an experiment in bad taste that hopefully will die off soon.
Hey, you are entitled to your opinion. I would at least Netflix them to see them at home. You never know, you may like it.

But hey I am one that generally opposes tampering with the original of movies. I like things left alone. But, not much one can do if the studio or whoever decides to make changes.

I will be picking up my copy tomorrow and see how it looks. These are movies that I tend to get engrossed in, thus making it harder to point out PQ deficiencies.

Either way, if it is a disc error, hopefully the studio will replace the disc with a corrected one.
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:32 PM   #6131
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Nate Boss @ High-Def Digest has written an exhaustive review of the boxset, saying he spent more time on the Botes docs than "some" other reviews spend on the whole set. It should be posted sometime today and it will be THE deciding judgement for me, not just if I buy the set but if I even bother to watch it at all. I don't want to waste my time with a botched transfer as my "too watch" list is enormous.
Thanks for the info! I'll have to check that out.
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:34 PM   #6132
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Not all have said it looks great though, so lets be fair. Opinions will be all over the map on this one........
Who hasn't said it looks great?

Show me a single review in which they say it doesn't look great. Even if you do show me one there will still be at least 5 reviews of people who have the set who say it looks great.

Don't say Kenneth Brown, because he still gives the video score a 4.0 and overall makes the point that it looks great.

Here is his quote if you need a reminder:
"Altered color timing aside, The Fellowship of the Ring has, quite frankly, never looked as strong, confident and capable as it does here. There are a few ragged edges, a few flaws here and there, but nothing that should prevent anyone from enjoying the upgrade the new transfer offers."


EDIT: There now is a review from Nate Boss who says he does not like the new look of the video. He chastises PJ's color revision.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4590..._extended.html

I fully expect this to become the new review that the haters latch on to.

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Old 06-27-2011, 05:42 PM   #6133
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Or this one...look at the color of Legolas' face in the EE screenshot...doesn't look healthy.

Theatrical:




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I thought that Boromir had just died, not Legolas!
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:44 PM   #6134
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There now is a review from Nate Boss who says he does not like the new look of the video. He chastises PJ's color revision.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4590..._extended.html

I fully expect this to become the new review that those who are unhappy with the changes latch on to.

I have been commenting on positive reviews of the video quality for a while.

Therefore I feel its only fair to share a review with a dissenting opinion.

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When 'The Lord of the Rings' debuted on Blu-ray last year, with the versions that hit theaters, the video qualities created quite the controversy, with 'The Fellowship of the Ring' being the most...well, disastrous. Riddled with DNR, the film looked like no film at all, really. The latter two films in the series had their problems, sure, but nowhere near the scale of 'Fellowship.' So, when Warner Bros. and New Line announced that the Extended Editions, the fan favorite cuts of the trilogy, would arrive on Blu-ray in 2011, the only film mentioned as receiving a remastering for the upcoming release was, naturally, the one that created the big stink.

Now, with the Blu-rays of the Extended Editions falling into consumer hands earlier than street date, controversy again would erupt. Much like 'The French Connection,' 'Fellowship' received some altered color timing, it would seem. The internet would soon become loaded with screenshots, comparisons, all sorts of science analyzing this first film in the set to the point where the improvements in the video became secondary to the puzzling "greenness" of it all. What did Peter Jackson or Andrew Lesnie intend for the video to look like, and did they have a hand? Is the Blu-ray release exactly to their specifications? The answers, or rather, the truth of the matter has not yet become clear, and at this point, it's all theory and conjecture. Intentions are great, but actuality usually beats them out. So, what is this controversy about? Is it legit? Is there something wrong with the Blu-ray for 'Fellowship' for the second time? Has the whole situation been blown out of proportion?

For this review, I went back and compared the new Extended Edition of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' to its Theatrical Edition counterpart, especially in scenes that I found to be...questionable, shall we say. Until Jackson (or Lesnie) himself speaks out on the matter, there may not be such a thing as "right" or "wrong," so, neither of those words will be used to describe the video. However, regardless of "right or "wrong," I want to stress that distractions, jarring moments or changes that alter the way a scene is perceived do, and will, affect the scoring on this release. A film may be, sometimes, locked in to how good it will ever look, with numerous standard definition films having arrived on Blu-ray, and no matter how truthful they are to the source, the end result just does not compare to other films that are faithful to their source and aren't an eyesore.

The big to-do on this first film in the series, the talk of the movie forums and blogs, is the color timing, so let's just hop right into that before anything else. Is 'The Fellowship of the Ring' tainted, or tinted, in a greenish, sometimes cyan hue, in ways that it was not on the previous Blu-ray release? Yes, but, and this is a very important but, it is not as much a travesty as some believe it to be. For starters: the entire film may be tinted, but many alterations or changes can be unnoticeable and/or borderline indistinguishable, rather than being the eyesores or distractions some are making them out to be. There is little doubt in my mind that this tint effects the entire run time, but for some reason or another, some sequences become blatantly obvious while others are still pretty darned passable, as there are many sequences where there is no tint in sight, with believable grays and whites. Skies aren't always turquoise, as beautiful marine blues do show up to provide fantastic brightness to a number of sequences. But...there are those moments where the changes seem hard to miss. Mists, which appear white in previous releases, now have an odd tinge to them, as they are no longer pure or unsullied, and what was once beautifully clean, white snow can look like someone was making snow cones with watered down dye. The title card for the film has a very slight hint of green to it, as well, while rocks in the shire have an odd taint that isn't from moss. Arwen's dress, which originally looked like a sparkly, completely white beauty in Frodo's hallucination, now looks like beautiful emerald, like a key lime pie, and the moment before, where Aragorn fights the Ring Wraights, their cloaks and his attire have olive hints and tints. Skin tones wear this issue, as well, as there are more than a few moments in the film where characters look ashen due to the way red levels are overpowered by greens, when they aren't excessively affected by lighting, far more than the other films in the set. The cyan tints are odd, and make some random sky shots a massive distraction with their new peculiar tint, while there are times where actors look like they have spider veins. That's not good.

There is no comparing the Extended Edition Blu-ray of 'Fellowship' to the previous release, though, as, hands down, this new edition thoroughly and regularly trumps its shorter cousin mercilessly. Detail levels are beyond improved, and the amount of tinkering and tampering has been reduced so dramatically that, get this, it looks like a film again! Beards never get blurry, not once, and facial features remain pure. I dare any viewer to have a staring contest with Gandalf's beard, since, I promise you, there's no aliasing or DNR in sight in what was once their most obvious home. Edges are much more natural, with nary a moment that caught my eye as being egregious or obviously enhanced. Depth? Hoo boy, does this release have it in spades! Crush? Not one inch of it touches the film, no matter how dark some sequences get. The picture is wonderfully clean, with only a tiny, tiny blip here and there, spread so far apart that it takes a keen eye to spot them all. Textures, they're so vivid, so strikingly real, metal surfaces reflect where applicable, rough blades feel dingy, the forest, water, wood, it's so marvelous, it's hard not to get sucked in to the beauty of this release (when it isn't the home of the Green Goblin).

Yes, I'll admit, I did tire of the randomly blue eyes or teeth. I also got a bit tired of the constant contrast between the wonderfully vivid, colorful moments and those that are obviously afflicted by some excessive color change stigma. The random darkness of the film also got to me, especially when Gandalf first knocks on Bilbo's door, as that shot looks the same on this release as it would if you watched the Theatrical Blu-ray wearing sunglasses, and that isn't even an exaggeration. This release has its flaws, serious, unmistakable flaws that do rain on what should be its parade. Is this a truly satisfying, breathtaking, stunning image? Not as much as it should be, nor as much as its untampered with brethren are. So, sadly, what may be the finest long cut of the trilogy is (there is no may be's or possibly's here) the weakest visually, with completely unnecessary little "fixes" that don't quite fix anything. If you love the color green, this may very well be the an "achievement unmatched in the history of cinema." If you love films looking natural, realistic, and untampered with...this may be the new test case for what all can go wrong when revisionist history takes a spin at creating a new look for a film people have seen so many times that they cannot accept the differences made. A remastering was necessary. A re-envisioning was not. No matter what gets said down the line (if anything is said at all), the end result is a picture that is not as engaging or inviting as the other two films in the epic motion picture trilogy. No words can change this problem, be it an intentional change or a mishap, unless they are the phrase Paramount has had to utter quite often with their Sapphire Series: disc exchange.

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Old 06-27-2011, 05:47 PM   #6135
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There now is a review from Nate Boss who says he does not like the new look of the video. He chastises PJ's color revision.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4590..._extended.html

I fully expect this to become the new review that those who are unhappy with the changes latch on to.

I have been commenting on positive reviews of the video quality for a while.

Therefore I feel its only fair to share a review with a dissenting opinion.
I think that you'll find that us 'haters' as you put it like to make up our own minds rather than than being told what to think by 'professional' reviews. The evidence in the screencaps is there for all to see and its pretty undeniable.

Of course, I have seen the blu-ray itself and my opinion has not changed. Screenshots don't lie. The green tint is there throughout the film and it shouldn't be. I've seen the film with it removed and its much much better.

BTW, thanks for posting up that review. It at least shows that you are willing to look at both sides of the argument.

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Scheduled For Early Delivery On:
Tuesday, 06/28/2011, By End of Day
Originally Scheduled For Delivery On:
Wednesday, 06/29/2011, By End of Day

That was a close one.
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Mine just arrived in the mail today a day early from Bestbuy.com. I put my ring on now it's time to Fellowship of the Ring!
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I went over to Zona and looked at their series of screen shots of which they had 10 comparison pairs. The color in two of the shots looked worse in the EE BD, in six of them the EE looked better. Two others I rated as no preference.

In all of them the detail was better in the EE.





The bottom one is the EE.
LOL!
I don't trust those screenshots because, in every case, the TE looks MUCH darker and more saturated here than it actually does.

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Just got my tracking info from Barnes & Noble...$45 after tax isn't too shabby.
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Mine just arrived in the mail today a day early from Bestbuy.com. I put my ring on now it's time to Fellowship of the Ring!
but if you put the ring on the tint will really be off then. not to mention the great eye that will see you!
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