The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Please, once again, I understand that you and many others like you are happy enough with the transfer as it is (or as it appears to be according to the different screen caps and reviews, both good and bad), and you are perfectly entitled to this.

But this gross, mocking characterization of those of us who don't like it, be it Jackson-approved or not, leads nowhere and it's pretty uncalled for.

For whatever the reason, maybe because you have less trained eyes, or maybe simply because of a matter of taste, or a balance between your expectations and what you are getting, you don't see anything wrong with the transfer, maybe quite the opposite, it looks like a definitive improvement to you... but not to me and many others.

Picturing us like nitpickers who like to complain for the sake of it and watch films with colorimeters at hand is an unnecessary caricature, is offensive, and is unfair.

Can not we all limit to say "I like it", "I do not", and why?

(and please, when I say I may have better trained eyes is not any claim of superiority, I guess we will all agree that all of us are better than others in some departments, and worse than others in other departments; and believe me, when it comes to enjoying home cinema, it's more of a curse than a blessing, but, I insist once again, not because I keep looking for flaws, but because I perceive them easier than others, just like there will be others with much more accute senses than mine)

I have no problem with disagreements, even with extreme disagreements. But I do have problems when anybody mocks me instead of offering his contrary opinion, preferably supported with a reasonable, well-thought argument.

Is that ok? Did I made myself clear here?

Can we all get along from now on, without one side calling the other whiners, and the other side calling that side sold-outs?

Can we have an interesting exchange of opinions and, what's more, the arguments behind?

Agreed

[Penman61]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

I still see it higher up the page, and I just quoted it when responding. I also updated my reply with the quote itself

Thanks, glad you got it, but it's definitely gone now. Weird. Also don't see your reply, Ken. Oh, well.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi all. To address all the messages I'm currently receiving: yes, I am trying to get a hold of the statement Mr. Harris received from Warner Home Video. So far, I'm still getting responses along the lines of "no official statement has been made," which is what I've heard for two weeks now. However, Warner has many departments, so it doesn't surprise me that some sources are still issuing outdated information. (Nor should that surprise anyone who's worked in a large company.)

I'll confirm things as soon as I can. Also, I'm not aware of a similar statement being issued before now, so please post a link to any such previous statement if it is simply an older statement being re-purposed by WHV. Thanks for your patience

I get it - you're kind-of-like the Samuel Adams of this Boston Teal-Party, right?

[Ken Brown]

Strange. Well, let's try it again

Originally Posted by Penman61

Bill Hunt's review at The Digital Bits:

I've confirmed with production-related sources that Jackson and cinematographer Andrew Lesnie were directly involved in all decisions related to this new transfer and approved it personally.

Not an official statement, but certainly closer to the oracle than WB's corporate-speak statement.

I believe all of Mr. Hunt's confirmations are in regards to the remaster, the re-graded colors, etc. There is some confusion as to whether the tint was a part of the new color grade, as Jackson and Lesnie have never spoken to or addressed it directly. Moreover, there are steps between the transfer leaving a filmmaker's hands and landing on discs. I'm not trying to reignite any debate, mind you. I just want to clarify that Jackson and Lesnie haven't commented on the retail discs as of yet.

If Warner is officially responding to the tint, though, I would image Jackson will as well. Hopefully sooner rather than later

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by flyinmunky99

I actually laughed reading this. I read it as serious till last bit.

Originally Posted by jonmoz

How can we take your view of the fellowships picture quality seriously?,when you have actually seen it.

We would be far better basing our judgement on screenshots,internet videos and hysteria.

I laughed too, but apparently for a different reason.

In determining whether or not there is a green tint and extreme contrast boost to the film, we ARE much better forming our opinion on facts than on someone's subjective opinion. We already know for a fact that both the green tint and contrast boost are there, and we also know for a fact that some people who have disks that definitely contain these issues have said they don't notice them.

The screen prints that have been posted are accurate. The fact that some people don't notice the issue or notice it less in the context of the moving image doesn't make the issue go away or even OBJECTIVELY reduce the issue. It just means some people don't notice it when they don't have anything better to compare it to.

As for those of us who want a release of FOTR that doesn't only stand up when there's nothing better to compare it to but that is objectively good and consistent with the other films and not unnecessarily worse than previous versions in any way, well, I don't know why that makes us complainers.

Some of you apparently have a lower standard of expectation for what you should be given with what is probably the biggest release of the year. Others of us have a higher standard of expectation ... a standard that we know for a fact could easily be met by simply removing the blanket of green and returning the contrast level to a reasonable setting. If that were done, every single thing that any of you think is better about the coloring in this version over previous ones would remain better, it would just be improved that much more by not being muted by the green and losing shadow detail from the contrast boost. Meanwhile, all the stuff that looked just great in terms of color in previous versions, like "second breakfast", would still look as great as always.

HeKS

[Kendalf]

Hi

I've just registered in order to post this.

This statement was just posted on the Discussion thread I started on the Official Lord of the Rings Facebook page. Is it the same as the one you're referring to?



Warner Bros Home Entertainment Group confirms that The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy Extended Edition Blu-ray accurately represents the intended look of each of the three features. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature.

As stated publicly by Robert Harris, renown film archivist and overseer of the restorations of The Godfather, Lawrence of Arabia and many other classic titles:

“How many films truly endure decades and the test of time?

Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, The Wizard of Oz, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gone with the Wind…

Think about it.

How many films are purposefully passed down from parent to child, generation to generation, as something that has attained a sense of wonderment, and endures that passage of time?

From the masterworks of J.R.R Tolkien, filmmaker Peter Jackson has created a motion picture trilogy that not only has that quality to endure, but now Warner Home Video has brought Mr. Jackson’s work to Blu-ray as he wishes them to be seen.

The imagery and audio of these new editions are not only problem free, but have a very special majesty and exultation about them-- perfect in every frame.

Make no mistake. The new Blu-rays of Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy on Blu-ray are a ceaseless wonder that will survive the generations. They demand your attention.

Colin McKenzie would be pleased.

Very Highly Recommended.”

-RAH


It's certainly not what I was expecting...

EDIT: Sorry, here's the link
http://www.facebook.com/index.php?lh...36&topic=15958

[mredman]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Well here is the post that is going to make some people VERY happy

and others VERY unhappy

but here goes

Credit goes to Robert Harris over at HTF
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3826517



I hope this post puts some controversy to rest, but sadly I know it wont.

i was right all along. I knew it there was just so many indications that this was the intended look and now with the trailer they released. It was almost a sure thing this was intentional

We can love or we can hate it. It makes no difference because this is how PJ want the movie to look like.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I get it - you're kind-of-like the Samuel Adams of this Boston Teal-Party, right?

No I'm just interested in getting a definitive answer on the issue. Once an answer exists, I'll leave it to all of you to debate the answers that are revealed. My only concern (at least as far as this thread and my review go) lies with gathering the facts and reporting them to all of you

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Kendalf

Hi

I've just registered in order to post this.

This statement was just posted on the Discussion thread I started on the Official Lord of the Rings Facebook page. Is it the same as the one you're referring to?



Warner Bros Home Entertainment Group confirms that The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy Extended Edition Blu-ray accurately represents the intended look of each of the three features. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature.

As stated publicly by Robert Harris, renown film archivist and overseer of the restorations of The Godfather, Lawrence of Arabia and many other classic titles:

“How many films truly endure decades and the test of time?

Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, The Wizard of Oz, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gone with the Wind…

Think about it.

How many films are purposefully passed down from parent to child, generation to generation, as something that has attained a sense of wonderment, and endures that passage of time?

From the masterworks of J.R.R Tolkien, filmmaker Peter Jackson has created a motion picture trilogy that not only has that quality to endure, but now Warner Home Video has brought Mr. Jackson’s work to Blu-ray as he wishes them to be seen.

The imagery and audio of these new editions are not only problem free, but have a very special majesty and exultation about them-- perfect in every frame.

Make no mistake. The new Blu-rays of Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy on Blu-ray are a ceaseless wonder that will survive the generations. They demand your attention.

Colin McKenzie would be pleased.

Very Highly Recommended.”

-RAH


It's certainly not what I was expecting...

EDIT: Sorry, here's the link
http://www.facebook.com/index.php?lh...36&topic=15958

Hahaha. I like how they're using RAH's over-the-top complimentary post as part of their official statement.

I wonder if PJ will comment, he almost certainly knows about the controversy now.

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

No I'm just interested in getting a definitive answer on the issue. Once an answer exists, I'll leave it to all of you to debate the answers that are revealed. My only concern (at least as far as this thread and my review go) lies with gathering the facts and reporting them to all of you

Bravo! Always the professional.

[Penman61]

Originally Posted by Kendalf

Hi

I've just registered in order to post this.

This statement was just posted on the Discussion thread I started on the Official Lord of the Rings Facebook page. Is it the same as the one you're referring to?



Warner Bros Home Entertainment Group confirms that The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy Extended Edition Blu-ray accurately represents the intended look of each of the three features. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature.

As stated publicly by Robert Harris, renown film archivist and overseer of the restorations of The Godfather, Lawrence of Arabia and many other classic titles:

“How many films truly endure decades and the test of time?

Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, The Wizard of Oz, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gone with the Wind…

Think about it.

How many films are purposefully passed down from parent to child, generation to generation, as something that has attained a sense of wonderment, and endures that passage of time?

From the masterworks of J.R.R Tolkien, filmmaker Peter Jackson has created a motion picture trilogy that not only has that quality to endure, but now Warner Home Video has brought Mr. Jackson’s work to Blu-ray as he wishes them to be seen.

The imagery and audio of these new editions are not only problem free, but have a very special majesty and exultation about them-- perfect in every frame.

Make no mistake. The new Blu-rays of Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy on Blu-ray are a ceaseless wonder that will survive the generations. They demand your attention.

Colin McKenzie would be pleased.

Very Highly Recommended.”

-RAH


It's certainly not what I was expecting...

EDIT: Sorry, here's the link
http://www.facebook.com/index.php?lh...36&topic=15958

That's very strange, indeed, since RAH had originally posted a generally positive review at HTF that noted the cyan/teal push.

He erased that post and replaced it with that over-the-top rave that you quote (which omits any teal push comments), which was generally understood as a bit of RAH's trademark sly sarcastic humor poked at all the pre-emptive (as he sees it) nitpicking.

So do I read you right?: WB is now using RAH's sarcastic post as an endorsement?

This is some weird sh*t right here.

Next up, Jonathan Swift's solutions to world hunger. For realz!

P. S. If you don't think RAH is havin' a laff, google "Colin McKenzie."

[Cook]

So we can put this to bed now right? This is how it is and no amount of fussing will change it? Cant say im disappointed.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Kendalf

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature.

That bold part right there is what makes you really scratch your head. The Green Blanket on FOTR actually reduces the color spectrum of the film and mutes "the full color imagery" in many noticeable instances and, really, in pretty much ALL instances from a technical standpoint.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by 42041

I'm looking for something very simple: either Jackson or his DP to explicitly confirm the green tint is intentional (or objective evidence that it's not present on the discs).
Vague statements like this only suggest WB does not intend replace the disc, it does not clarify that issue and says nothing we haven't heard before.

You can't be serious here. do you really think they would come out and say this if Peter Jackson knows it is a mistake. Do you have any idea what damage that would do to the studio to just lie like that.
No people have to face it now. This is confirmation that there is no mistake made with FOTR.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by HeKS

That bold part right there is what makes you really scratch your head. The Green Blanket on FOTR actually reduces the color spectrum of the film and mutes "the full color imagery" in many noticeable instances and, really, in pretty much ALL instances from a technical standpoint.

This is just a generic robo statement that doesn't really address anything specifically. It's almost identical to the statement they issued when it was first announced they were remastering it.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

This is just a generic robo statement that doesn't really address anything specifically. It's almost identical to the statement they issued when it was first announced they were remastering it.

Hmmm. Then why are people here citing it as some kind of definitive answer that WHV has addressed the issue and said there's no mistake?

[oaguirre]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi all. To address all the messages I'm currently receiving: yes, I am trying to get a hold of the statement Mr. Harris received from Warner Home Video. So far, I'm still getting responses along the lines of "no official statement has been made," which is what I've heard for two weeks now. However, Warner has many departments, so it doesn't surprise me that some sources are still issuing outdated information. (Nor should that surprise anyone who's worked in a large company.)

I'll confirm things as soon as I can. Also, I'm not aware of a similar statement being issued before now, so please post a link to any such previous statement if it is simply an older statement being re-purposed by WHV. Thanks for your patience

Well... here we go again.

[Johnny Dee]

I CAN see a difference in the colour timing with this release, but, mostly it's fine. Nothing wrong with my eyes! My problem is with people basing their opinion on it with a few screenshots and unrepresentative you tube clips without actually watching the movie in a darkened room with a calibrated screen. If you truly see a big problem with it when you watch the actual movie, then fine, commiserations to you, but in my opinion it's a storm in a tea cup. I mean seriously, there are people measuring the RGB values of the letter F in the title sequence of a movie! Am I the only person who thinks this is mental? Just watch the bloody thing with your own eyes!

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Please, once again, I understand that you and many others like you are happy enough with the transfer as it is (or as it appears to be according to the different screen caps and reviews, both good and bad), and you are perfectly entitled to this.

But this gross, mocking characterization of those of us who don't like it, be it Jackson-approved or not, leads nowhere and it's pretty uncalled for.

For whatever the reason, maybe because you have less trained eyes, or maybe simply because of a matter of taste, or a balance between your expectations and what you are getting, you don't see anything wrong with the transfer, maybe quite the opposite, it looks like a definitive improvement to you... but not to me and many others.

Picturing us like nitpickers who like to complain for the sake of it and watch films with colorimeters at hand is an unnecessary caricature, is offensive, and is unfair.

Can not we all limit to say "I like it", "I do not", and why?

(and please, when I say I may have better trained eyes is not any claim of superiority, I guess we will all agree that all of us are better than others in some departments, and worse than others in other departments; and believe me, when it comes to enjoying home cinema, it's more of a curse than a blessing, but, I insist once again, not because I keep looking for flaws, but because I perceive them easier than others, just like there will be others with much more accute senses than mine)

I have no problem with disagreements, even with extreme disagreements. But I do have problems when anybody mocks me instead of offering his contrary opinion, preferably supported with a reasonable, well-thought argument.

Is that ok? Did I made myself clear here?

Can we all get along from now on, without one side calling the other whiners, and the other side calling that side sold-outs?

Can we have an interesting exchange of opinions and, what's more, the arguments behind?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Hmmm. Then why are people here citing it as some kind of definitive answer that WHV has addressed the issue and said there's no mistake?

Because it does address the issue, it's just as generic a response as can possibly be generated. It doesn't address anything specifically, it's almost the same as the marketing statements they released when they announced it was getting a remaster.

It reminds me of Paramount's response to the Gladiator controversy (and I quote), before they ever decided to fix it:

A Screen Shot is quite different from a Blu-Ray experience. I hope you take the opportunity to view the entire movie.

Sure, it's a response but it doesn't really answer anything (apart from the fact that they currently aren't considering it a "defect.")

Anyway, I'll duck out of the thread for now. I just hope PJ eventually addresses it.... and maybe Warner will one day "fix" it as Paramount did much later with Gladiator.

[Monkey]

What about the people who blindly follow the "Director's intent"? They should be worshiping it, even if PJ says I want all the LoTR movies to be black in white