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Old 06-28-2011, 04:39 AM   #6461
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BORDERS IS SHIPPING NOW!!!

Too bad that Canada Post is just starting to clean up their 2 weeks of backlogged mail from their strike starting the day of release. That means that I'm likely to get the set mid-July.

Oh well... I'll have the Uncharted 3 Beta to keep my waking hours occupied.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:47 AM   #6462
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You know...I honestly never thought I'd see the day when film enthusiasts would care more about whether sky appeared "pure" white (which, by most accounts from people who have actually viewed the discs, is only really noticeable if you have a frame of reference for what "pure" white truly looks like) than being able to view The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition in a director-approved version on blu-ray which, by ALL accounts, easily trumps the previous blu-ray edition technically. Isn't this what all of us said we wanted when the last discs were released? But now it's not enough. We don't just want the films. We want the films with our approved color timing. The timing we're used to and have come to enjoy for the last ten years. Jackson saying he wanted it this way matters not. You know...I'm FAR from a studio or even director apologist. In fact, I've long been an original trilogy stickler. You know - one of those annoying people who bemoan our not getting the versions of the Star Wars films that we all saw and loved theatrically. The people that some others criticized for not understanding that these were Lucas's movies and that I should be happy with whatever he dished out to me. Well, I still don't buy that. Any more than I buy that a slight cyan cast to an already color-graded and highly stylized film makes it unwatchable. I'm truly saddened to see this kind of a reaction. If people want to vote with their wallets, then more power to them. I'm not saying they're wrong. What I am saying is that I feel a bit sorry for them in a sense. We've all gotten so acclimated to HD that we're hyper-analyzing minutia which, a few short years back, we wouldn't even have had the hardware to see in the first place. And it's gotten to the point of destroying our ability to just enjoy a film. I know we should hold studios to a high standard of quality - particularly when a film series is this beloved - but for heaven's sake, people...it's a slight change in color grading. This is not a "Greedo shoots first" kind of situation. Nothing about the actual story, acting, pacing, etc. has been changed AT ALL. As to the color shift affecting the "mood" of the film away from how it felt with the original color scheme...personally, I call shenanigans. I'm going to buy this set tomorrow. I'm going to enjoy the ever-loving out of it. And I'm going to love The Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition just as I always have - slight green tinge to the whitest whites or no. I think we've all become just a bit too darned elitist for our own good if you ask me. Can we just step back for a second and get excited about this release without focusing on the sole flaw in the thing? Especially now that it's been confirmed that it's not even an actual flaw in the first place? On the other hand...those of you still too distracted, too upset, or too blinded by your own perfectionist's eye to actually sit and appreciate the absolute best presentation of one of the best films of all time still have your DVD editions to cherish. I just...sometimes I miss the days when people were just happy to see a film released at all...let alone in widescreen (gasp!) or on a CAV laserdisc (double gasp!!) or...on blu-ray.

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Old 06-28-2011, 05:00 AM   #6463
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Why is Arwen on all the covers? Not that big of a part......... And Liv Tyler... meh.


Maybe when everyone gets their copies, we can post the inner ring numbers and see if there are two different versions running around. Just a thought...

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Old 06-28-2011, 05:01 AM   #6464
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The official announcement makes sense - quell the situation and hope most people shrug it off and buy the set. Admitting any kind of error would be a PR and logistical nightmare.

To those who are disappointed with the color timing - do you absolutely need the EEs on blu-ray right now? If not, hold onto your dvds and wait a couple years for the eventual re-released tied into either the theatrical premiere of The Hobbit or the introduction of that two-part film on blu-ray.

I feel it's very possible that the color timing will be "corrected" or even compromised to an area between the theatrical BD and the EE BD, with scene-by-scene adjustments. Then everyone will be happy!

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Old 06-28-2011, 05:04 AM   #6465
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The official announcement makes sense - quell the situation and hope most people shrug it off and buy the set. Admitting any kind of error would be a PR and logistical nightmare.

To those who are disappointed with the color timing - do you absolutely need the EEs on blu-ray right now? If not, hold onto your dvds and wait a couple years for the eventual re-released tied into either the theatrical premiere of The Hobbit or the introduction of the two-part film on blu-ray.

I feel it's very possible that the color timing will be "corrected" or even compromised to a taste between the theatrical BD and the EE BD. Then everyone will be happy!
Well, if PJ had indeed approved the transfer with green tint, then it would still be there in furture mega, ultimate releases.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:13 AM   #6466
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The official announcement makes sense - quell the situation and hope most people shrug it off and buy the set. Admitting any kind of error would be a PR and logistical nightmare.

To those who are disappointed with the color timing - do you absolutely need the EEs on blu-ray right now? If not, hold onto your dvds and wait a couple years for the eventual re-released tied into either the theatrical premiere of The Hobbit or the introduction of that two-part film on blu-ray.

I feel it's very possible that the color timing will be "corrected" or even compromised to an area between the theatrical BD and the EE BD, with scene-by-scene adjustments. Then everyone will be happy!

This is the "corrected" version. Approved by PJ himself he will not adjust anything on it anymore if this is how he wants it to look like

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I am shocked to hear Warner Bros announce that this green tint is intentional. Could PJ really have said "please make the Fellowship titles green, but leave the others alone"? I am baffled. Could he really have done something that strange and random?

"The intended look"? Intended by who? I guess it should be obvious they're talking about PJ, but why can't they say that? With all this controversy, they should be specific. Furthermore, I would like an explanation for why the green tint was not seen in theaters.

I can understand why the fans who believed from the beginning it was intentional would say "what more do you want? you'll never believe it, will you?" But I can't help it. I have to much respect for PJ to believe he would do something so random and silly. I will need to see PJ himself say "Yes, I wanted the entire film tinted green...including the Fellowship title and credits." Only then will I conclude that he has been drinking, and concede the Blu-ray reflects his bizarre intentions.

Actually many who has seen it at the theaters noticed the green tint there as well there are even some here on this forum that also says that and check this thread out it spells it out pretty clearly:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120737/...read/184169494
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:15 AM   #6467
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It's hardly self appointed. It's only good thinking. In this day and age of constant greed, corruption and lies, anybody who thinks you can just trust an "official" source is just outright naive. Seriously, you have WB and Jackson working together, it's just a bit too cozy.....a bit too much into conflict of interest for John Q Pulblic to ever expect the truth. And just because that opinion differs from yours doesn't make it any less mature.
Good thinking!??!! Good grief, talk about paranoia...PJ is not going to ruin his reputation by conspiring with WB to pull the wool over everyones eyes - just to save WB a little bit of money over a recall.

If there really was an error, I'm sure PJ would be the first to rectify it (and you never know, he may bend to pressure on this one)...given that the people forking out the $70 for their LOTR EE sets are going to be the first in line and spreading the word of mouth about The Hobbit.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:16 AM   #6468
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Mine shipped from the same place and has the same delivery date. Now let's hope ours don't get all beat up in transit.
Yea, I'm thinking they'll be packaged pretty well. But, if not, there's a local B&N 5 mins. away & I'll just go there & Exchange it. It happened with my Collector's Edition set of THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. No problem at all with swapping them out.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:21 AM   #6469
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Have you watched it yet? If not why not give it a try and form your own opinion.
Because then Warner wins then? They don't care about customer satisfaction, only the # of units moved.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:22 AM   #6470
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Why is Arwen on all the covers? Not that big of a part......... And Liv Tyler... meh.
i thought the same thing. they always made her out to be a bigger deal than she was. almost as if they thought she was doing them a favor by being in their movie. i'm not saying Liv had this attitude, she seemed to be nice enough on the extras and seemed to really enjoy learning and speaking elvish. it just seemed like the film makers elevated her in their minds to a status she hadn't (and probably never will) achieve as an actress.

sorry to rant. this has just been stuck in my craw for years.

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Old 06-28-2011, 05:29 AM   #6471
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Well, if PJ had indeed approved the transfer with green tint, then it would still be there in furture mega, ultimate releases.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the quoted statement at Bill Hunt's site didn't mention Jackson. I'm not going to ponder rumors but it is possible that Jackson's intent and the final product were not the same.

Just saying it's possible, not probable or fact. Personally, I don't like the new color of FOTR and am happy to hold onto the DVDs. If this is the final version, so be it - life will go on without these blu-rays added to my modest shelf.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:35 AM   #6472
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Personally, I don't like the new color of FOTR and am happy to hold onto the DVDs. If this is the final version, so be it - life will go on.
That's how I feel about it. Except I don't think it's the intended version, because how different it looks from the other two films and that the vibrancy that was once present throughout the movie is now gone, giving FOTR a weird look that doesn't seem intentional. I love the DVDs. I was looking forward to this so bad, but hard-earned money should be spent wisely.

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Old 06-28-2011, 05:43 AM   #6473
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the quoted statement at Bill Hunt's site didn't mention Jackson. I'm not going to ponder rumors but it is possible that Jackson's intent and the final product were not the same.

Just saying it's possible, not probable or fact. Personally, I don't like the new color of FOTR and am happy to hold onto the DVDs. If this is the final version, so be it - life will go on without these blu-rays added to my modest shelf.
It is NOT possible. Bill Hunt is as legit as you can get. This IS the INTENDED look and how Jackson want FOTR to look like. The case is closed lets move along
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:46 AM   #6474
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You know...I honestly never thought I'd see the day when film enthusiasts would care more about whether sky appeared "pure" white (which, by most accounts from people who have actually viewed the discs, is only really noticeable if you have a frame of reference for what "pure" white truly looks like) than being able to view The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition in a director-approved version on blu-ray which, by ALL accounts, easily trumps the previous blu-ray edition technically. Isn't this what all of us said we wanted when the last discs were released? But now it's not enough. We don't just want the films. We want the films with our approved color timing. The timing we're used to and have come to enjoy for the last ten years. Jackson saying he wanted it this way matters not.
Hi Croweyes,

Let me see if I can convey our position and feeling in an analogy that you'll understand.


Let's say you have a favorite burger joint. You've been going to this place for a decade and you think they have pretty much the best and juiciest burger around and the perfect mix of toppings. The one complaint you have is that the portion size seems a bit small.

Well, you keep going back to this burger joint over and over again, and they know that you and all of their other customers want larger portion sizes, but it's taking them a long time to get around to it.

One day, as you're driving by the restaurant, you see a big sign in the window announcing that, starting next month, their portion sizes are going to be 20% larger. Yippee, you say.

On the first day of the next month, you're lined up at their door when they open. You run inside and order your favorite burger, now 20% larger. You sit down at the table, pick up the burger and take a big bite ... only to find that the beef patty is dry ... so very dry. This is not what you were expecting. This is not what you were waiting for. You wanted the goodness you had before but in a larger size. Here, you got the larger size, but the beef patty wasn't all it could and should have been.

"What happened to your patty?!" You ask. "This thing should be juicy and delicious. There should be even more juiciness and deliciousness packed into this larger burger. After waiting this long, this just isn't acceptable."

"Well, please be just a bit more patient and stick with us," they say. "We're planning something new that will fix it in the not too distant future."

"Hmmm. Well, I've stuck it out this long," you tell yourself. "What's another little wait?"

So, the months go by, you drop in from time to time for a bite when you happen to be in the area, and, finally, about a year later, you see a new in their window: "Starting next month, our bigger burgers are back to their old juiciness. Don't miss them!"

Don't miss them? Of course you won't miss them. You've been waiting a long time for them. So, sure enough, there you are again on the first day of the next month with a crowd of people. Tingling with anticipation you walk through the door and order your nice big juicy burger. You bring it back to your table, sit down and take your first giddy bite ... but what the hell is this? The beef patty is big and it's back to it's old juiciness, which is great, but the spices sprinkled over the patty are now completely overpowering the flavor and all the toppings have been left out.

"Excuse me, sir. Yes, you at the cash. I don't know what's going on but the spices in this burger are completely out of control and I don't have any toppings. Can you tell me why that is? I think that guy behind the counter that's assembling the burgers made a mistake."

Suddenly a few other people in the restaurant start saying the same thing. But not everyone. Some say the increased spices are barely noticeable. They offer you a bit, but when you accept, you find theirs is just as overpowering. Others say that the lack of toppings is now 'just the way it is' and we need to get used to it.

Suddenly the cashier speaks up: "Yeah, um, the burgers represent the cooks wishes, but he isn't here to comment."

"The cook's wishes?" you ask. "That's strange. I see that everybody in the restaurant who ordered the cheeseburger or the bacon burger has all the right toppings and don't seem to have a mountain of spices sprinkled on their patties. Why would the cook only want this 'heavy spices and no toppings' thing to be done with the regular burger? That doesn't seem to make much sense."

"Well," answers the cashier, "all I can say is that the burger reflects the cook's wishes."

"Do you mean that the patty itself reflects the cook's wishes? Cause we know the cook prepared that directly. But there's also this issue of extra spices and no toppings that isn't clearly addressed when you just say, 'the burger'."

"All I can say is that the burger reflects the cook's wishes."

"I see."


Do you get it, Croweyes?

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Old 06-28-2011, 06:03 AM   #6475
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i thought the same thing. they always made her out to be a bigger deal than she was. almost as if they thought she was doing them a favor by being in their movie. i'm not saying Liv had this attitude, she seemed to be nice enough on the extras and seemed to really enjoy learning and speaking elvish. it just seemed like the film makers elevated her in their minds to a status she hadn't (and probably never will) achieve as an actress.

sorry to rant. this has just been stuck in my craw for years.
I said this tens of millions of pages full of complaints ago, but without Arwen, Aragorn would not have become King.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:05 AM   #6476
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I never didn't "get it", HeKS...just don't agree that this qualifies. You're talking about a situation where something you love is absolutely ruined by something overpowering. And with very few exceptions, hardly anyone is claiming this "issue" is there to that degree. Quite the contrary. Would I be personally happier if it weren't there at all? Honestly, yes. Am I going to let it ruin the film for me because I know it is there? No. And I just guess I feel sorry for people who don't have any choice but to be so tied into seeing something precisely as they want to see it that they MUST answer "yes" to the second question.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:06 AM   #6477
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Well, if PJ had indeed approved the transfer with green tint, then it would still be there in furture mega, ultimate releases.
Not necessarily. He made color timing changes and approved the TE Blu Rays as well, and look how that turned out. There is about as much chance of this being the "definitive" color timing as there is the possibility of a disc replacement program now being implemented for this release. Hint: It's not very likely.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:09 AM   #6478
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I myself enjoy the new color timing. I am not blindly following the director's intent, I personally believe that the release looks fine. In the past, I've been skeptical of certain directors, including George Lucas.
The difference is so small that I had not noticed until it was pointed out. The coloring also solves many of the over saturation and coloring issues in the previous versions. Pink skies and pink clouds now lean towards blue. The red shadows of Rivendell finally look like natural shadows. While I'm disappointed by the loss of pure white, the film looks better in so many places with the new coloring.
I'm not trying to blindly follow PJ. In fact, two weeks ago I cancelled my preorder because I had heard that there was a horrible green tint. A week later, upon actually viewing the infamous screenshots and YouTube clips, I decided that it wasn't a big deal at all and actually made the film look better in my opinion.
thanks for the feedback. That is good to hear! I really look forward to watching it myself.
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Why is Arwen on all the covers? Not that big of a part......... And Liv Tyler... meh.
Liv Tyler, meh?

I think she is one of the most beautiful women alive.
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Not sure if posted already but good video

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