The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by HeKS

As has been pointed out, opinions of those who have the discs in their possession vary greatly.

That said, while I don't have a copy of the actual blu-ray discs, I have good quality copies of these EE films that I got in order to check the quality of the transfers and examine this green tint issue before putting out the money for the set.

Now, you can try to say that HD rips of the discs aren't technically 100% exactly identical in every respect to the discs, and that may be true, but the differences are negligible in a case like this to the point of being essentially irrelevant. In every single case, the copy I have looks identical to the screen caps taken directly from the discs as featured in numerous reviews. As such, there is no reason whatsoever to think that there will be any significant change in color perception when watching the copy I have in motion versus watching the actual disc in motion. In both cases, precisely the same green tint and contrast issues are present. So, even if I haven't played the disc in my player, I have seen an extremely accurate representation of what this looks like in motion and it still bothers me a whole lot.

FGS, it's not rocket science then, is it? Don't buy it.

Case closed, problem solved, next please.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

Heks, I understand your concern. Go and watch it with a friend (who may be far less objective) or rent.

Your final lines about refunds etc directed at me or anyone else are rather immature though - of course I won't. But the place you buy from will give you credit in most cases.

Of course the answer is of course you won't. My point is simply that there's a good reason that most people don't just want get the set to test themselves in spite of their misgivings, which is that they don't want to shell out the money for what seems to them like a sub-par release they'll be disappointed with.

As for most places giving you credit, I haven't run across these places. Virtually every place I've ever bought a movie from doesn't accept a return after it has been opened, including for credit, because they assume you've just copied the film and will continue to do that with whatever you use your credit on.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Thanks, I care a great deal about fellowship of the ring, its by far my favourite of the three, especially the extended edition that I consider to be an almost perfect film. Of all the extended editions, I believe it is the one that adds the most because everything fits in so seemlessly. I sadly can't say the same thing for TTT and especially ROTK, that have quite a few superfluous scenes that add very little and sometimes even detrimentaly affect the narrative IMO. That silly scene in ROTK with the corsairs and PJ being hit by mistake come to mind. I personally could have done without that scene, very cheesy.

I've basically used the fade to white before frodo wakes up in rivendell as a point of reference for white and regraded the entire film so that scene is white, thus removing the green tint.

I'm aware that the theatrical blu-ray has a slight reddish/pink tint in that scene but i've personally found that the colour grading is so subtle at times that in some scenes, like Galadriel and Frodo in Lothlorien, by adding that extra tint, you throw the subtle blue grading off and galadriel's face looks pink rather than blue.

There are many other examples of this in the film where the grading is put off slightly by the reddish/pink tint, like Hobbiton at the beginning, especially in Bilbo's naration, that flesh tones start to look too red, so i've make a subjective decision to grade to white on the fade to white.

I could regrade each scene individually but then, apart from being very time consuming, I really would be making up my own colour grading, which isn't the point of the exercise. It's PJ's film, not mine. I honestly believe that the green tint was not his intent and the regrade i've done bares that out IMHO. I'm personally very happy with the results. I just wish you all could get replacements and enjoy the film as it should look as well.

Thanks for taking the time and I do not fault your reasoning, you now have the version that you like and it is more like the version you saw in the cinema, I presume.

Will you be swayed by Peter Jackson himself if he comments to say the changes are legitimate, at all? Or is that irrelevant?

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by lemonski

FGS, it's not rocket science then, is it? Don't buy it.

Case closed, problem solved, next please.

Yes, FGS, just don't buy it. That's kinda the point I was making ... that I don't want to just go ahead and buy it to test it for myself to see if maybe I'll like it and if will somehow magically appear perfectly fine because it's on a disc instead of just a faithful digital copy of that disc.

I think you should make your point to those who say, "why not just go out and get it and check it for yourself?"

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Of course the answer is of course you won't. My point is simply that there's a good reason that most people don't just want get the set to test themselves in spite of their misgivings, which is that they don't want to shell out the money for what seems to them like a sub-par release they'll be disappointed with.

As for most places giving you credit, I haven't run across these places. Virtually every place I've ever bought a movie from doesn't accept a return after it has been opened, including for credit, because they assume you've just copied the film and will continue to do that with whatever you use your credit on.

Well everywhere (large stores) will credit you in the UK, be it a supermarket or a large retailer. Unwanted Gift.

Or rent.

Or watch with a friend.

Or none of the above.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Yes, FGS, just don't buy it. That's kinda the point I was making ... that I don't want to just go ahead and buy it to test it for myself to see if maybe I'll like it and if will somehow magically appear perfectly fine because it's on a disc instead of just a faithful digital copy of that disc.

I think you should make your point to those who say, "why not just go out and get it and check it for yourself?"

Heks, I think you're missing the point. You can watch it for free in many different ways.

[dirkblack]

From Harry Knowles.

He states, Peter Jackson has seen these and they are the Movies he wanted.

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE MOTION PICTURE TRILOGY (Extended Edition) BLU-RAY

Earlier this month there was some hub-bub about some of the Blu Ray forums that the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE Blu-Ray mastering was completely ****ed with an ugly green hint over everything, oblitering any real whites and messing up the entire gorgeous color palate of the film. I wrote Peter Jackson to alert him to the rumors. Peter had Andrew Lesnie look into it – you see… of the 3 films, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE was the only film of the trilogy that did not go through the extensive and expensive Digital Color Grading process. They did that for this. Peter had seen the new mastering of FELLOWSHIP – in fact anyone that had seen it on HD broadcasts recently was looking at the gorgeous master sans any tinting. In Peter’s opinion the film has simply never looked better – including theatrically, because this new digital color grading was something that Peter wanted from the very beginning.
Let’s face it, this is the version of the movies we’ve been waiting for on BLU RAY. The only thing that is missing – is a HOBBIT Teaser Behind The Scenes special feature for us all to watch about a 1000 times. To be honest, I haven’t had time to fully explore this set yet, I’ve only just received them. But I did put FELLOWSHIP on to double check to make sure there was no problems with the color – and the rumors were false. It looks stunning. We have much to celebrate with this release!
Now for the only bummer of the release. The majority of bonus features are in Standard Def and on DVDs. That said, for me, the introduction of the Expanded Editions on Blu Ray is awesome, but there is wiggle room for a future edition. With everything in High Def. But hey… That’s Big Business for us. They know when they own us.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

Thanks for taking the time and I do not fault your reasoning, you now have the version that you like and it is more like the version you saw in the cinema, I presume.

Will you be swayed by Peter Jackson himself if he comments to say the changes are legitimate, at all? Or is that irrelevant?

In all honesty, unless he can come up with a reason for that consistant green tint that i haven't thought of myself (and i've tried, believe me, I want to love this release as much as you guys defending it do) that makes sense, not really. I'll respect his right to decide what his film looks like of course, i'll just watch my own regraded version instead because it looks much better to my eyes and most importantly, looks far more similar to the actual theatrical and extended edition dvd release that I fell in love with in the first place. Snow looked white in the theatrical and ee dvd release, so why shouldn't it now? Snow certainly shouldn't look green.

And say that he had decided to change the look of middle earth to make it look more otherworldly by making it look more green? That's a fair enough decision, even though i'm not overly fond of the change. Its his film so he decides the look. The question is, why has he not regraded the other two films to match this look by adding the same green tint over TTT and ROTK? As it stands right now, there is no continuety between FOTR and the other two films, they now look totally different to each other when they're supposed to be in the same world. The whole point of shooting the three films together was for continuety, so why ruin that now by adding the green tint to only one film? It makes no sense.

[LOTR07]

Watched this with the wife last night so she represented the control group because she knew nothing of the issues....watched on my 63b550 pro calibrated plasma display...imo the film looked great...very detailed throughout more so than before...colors looked as they should with the exception of the green eggs and ham 2nd breakfast and rivendale was a little muted and not clear like the rest of the disk.....she thought it looked and SOUNDED awesome...if i did not read this thread i would have thought that everythring was good as I've watched this film a ton of times and was more in tune with the upgraded audio.....so in all not a horrible viewing experience for sure.....I'm not negating any of the work put in by anyone to outline the faults of the new color scheme but just a simple note to say just watch it for yourself to make your own mind up about the quality of the film....thx

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by dirkblack

From Harry Knowles.


THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE MOTION PICTURE TRILOGY (Extended Edition) BLU-RAY

Earlier this month there was some hub-bub about some of the Blu Ray forums that the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE Blu-Ray mastering was completely ****ed with an ugly green hint over everything, oblitering any real whites and messing up the entire gorgeous color palate of the film. I wrote Peter Jackson to alert him to the rumors. Peter had Andrew Lesnie look into it – you see… of the 3 films, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE was the only film of the trilogy that did not go through the extensive and expensive Digital Color Grading process. They did that for this. Peter had seen the new mastering of FELLOWSHIP – in fact anyone that had seen it on HD broadcasts recently was looking at the gorgeous master sans any tinting. In Peter’s opinion the film has simply never looked better – including theatrically, because this new digital color grading was something that Peter wanted from the very beginning.
Let’s face it, this is the version of the movies we’ve been waiting for on BLU RAY. The only thing that is missing – is a HOBBIT Teaser Behind The Scenes special feature for us all to watch about a 1000 times. To be honest, I haven’t had time to fully explore this set yet, I’ve only just received them. But I did put FELLOWSHIP on to double check to make sure there was no problems with the color – and the rumors were false. It looks stunning. We have much to celebrate with this release!
Now for the only bummer of the release. The majority of bonus features are in Standard Def and on DVDs. That said, for me, the introduction of the Expanded Editions on Blu Ray is awesome, but there is wiggle room for a future edition. With everything in High Def. But hey… That’s Big Business for us. They know when they own us.

Now that's interesting. I wonder whether that recent HD broadcast of the fellowship of the ring extended really has no tint like Harry Knowles says. Anybody seen it and can verify what he's saying about there being no tint?

[Toasterlad]

Originally Posted by HeKS

To both of you I say, I don't think so highly of an approach that requires me to spend $70 to see if maybe the actual blu-ray disc will appear drastically different to me in motion than does the current HD rip I have of the film, which matches every screen cap taken directly from the disc perfectly in terms of both the green tint and contrast issues. If I buy the set to perform this test you recommend, which has no reasonable hope of showing me anything significantly different than I already have, and I'm still completely unhappy, are you going to give me a refund for my purchase? And will you do the same for all the others who you are suggesting should carry out this test?

Yes. This.

[PGW]

Originally Posted by mredman

It is NOT possible. Bill Hunt is as legit as you can get. This IS the INTENDED look and how Jackson want FOTR to look like. The case is closed lets move along

Boy, I'm not sure what disappoints me more... the fact that FOTR has been tinted green, or the fact that the overwhelming majority of people here don't seem to give a damn.

But I'm certainly ready to move on. It's just sad I need to do so with my money firmly in my pocket, because I will NEVER support shoddy work like this. EVER.

And neither should YOU (Yes, YOU).

[Petri Teittinen]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

I could regrade each scene individually but then, apart from being very time consuming, I really would be making up my own colour grading, which isn't the point of the exercise. It's PJ's film, not mine. I honestly believe that the green tint was not his intent and the regrade i've done bares that out IMHO. I'm personally very happy with the results. I just wish you all could get replacements and enjoy the film as it should look as well.

Although it seems I get suspended whenever I open my mouth on this forum, I have to point something out. Your regrade of the movie does not make the movie look "as it should". You have something you're happy with, and that's fine - but the result is not what the movie would look without "the green tint". You'd know that if you were a professional colorist. You have in fact created a color grading of your own, and that's all there is to it. So, please, no more claiming that your version is the one that looks "as it should", because it doesn't. (And neither does my own quick cyan/teal removal test, but at least I acknowledge it.)

[karlosfunkster]

King Kong, after all the time you've spent regrading I can understand why you would continue to watch your version of FOTR!! Regardless of any approved(?) changes from Peter Jackson!!

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Toasterlad

Yes. This.

There are many ways to watch it without shelling out $70.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by PGW

Boy, I'm not sure what disappoints me more... the fact that FOTR has been tinted green, or the fact that the overwhelming majority of people here don't seem to give a damn.

But I'm certainly ready to move on. It's just sad I need to do so with my money firmly in my pocket, because I will NEVER support shoddy work like this. EVER.

And neither should YOU (Yes, YOU).

There's a good reason for this. It looks good.

Have you watched it? Yes, YOU

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

Although it seems I get suspended whenever I open my mouth on this forum, I have to point something out. Your regrade of the movie does not make the movie look "as it should". You have something you're happy with, and that's fine - but the result is not what the movie would look without "the green tint". You'd know that if you were a professional colorist. You have in fact created a color grading of your own, and that's all there is to it. So, please, no more claiming that your version is the one that looks "as it should", because it doesn't. (And neither does my own quick cyan/teal removal test, but at least I acknowledge it.)

Fair enough, can't argue with that. I'm sure it would look even better if one had access to the original regraded source without the green tint applied, rather than what i've done which is essentially regrade it again to remove the green tint. I'm certain that colour information got lost along the way but its certainly better than the release as it is now. All the more reason to push for a replacement scheme.

Btw, haven't forgotten about the Isengard scene, just haven't got round to checking out that scene regraded with your settings. I suspect though that the reddish/pink tint will make the scene more 'neutral', the flesh tones will look more normal and in a certain way look better, but as i've said before in one of my last posts, that extra reddish/pink will adversely affect other scenes like Frodo and Galadriel in Lothlorien, making her face pink rather than blue because the grading is very subtle there and making the hobbits all have very red faces during Bilbo's intro of Hobbiton. If ones using just one grading setting, one has to reach a compromise, which is what i've done. It's far from perfect, but I'm happy, I believe it to be a big improvement on the blu-ray colourwise and ultimately that's all that matters.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by dirkblack

From Harry Knowles.

He states, Peter Jackson has seen these and they are the Movies he wanted.

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE MOTION PICTURE TRILOGY (Extended Edition) BLU-RAY

Earlier this month there was some hub-bub about some of the Blu Ray forums that the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE Blu-Ray mastering was completely ****ed with an ugly green hint over everything, oblitering any real whites and messing up the entire gorgeous color palate of the film. I wrote Peter Jackson to alert him to the rumors. Peter had Andrew Lesnie look into it – you see… of the 3 films, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE was the only film of the trilogy that did not go through the extensive and expensive Digital Color Grading process. They did that for this. Peter had seen the new mastering of FELLOWSHIP – in fact anyone that had seen it on HD broadcasts recently was looking at the gorgeous master sans any tinting. In Peter’s opinion the film has simply never looked better – including theatrically, because this new digital color grading was something that Peter wanted from the very beginning.
Let’s face it, this is the version of the movies we’ve been waiting for on BLU RAY. The only thing that is missing – is a HOBBIT Teaser Behind The Scenes special feature for us all to watch about a 1000 times. To be honest, I haven’t had time to fully explore this set yet, I’ve only just received them. But I did put FELLOWSHIP on to double check to make sure there was no problems with the color – and the rumors were false. It looks stunning. We have much to celebrate with this release!
Now for the only bummer of the release. The majority of bonus features are in Standard Def and on DVDs. That said, for me, the introduction of the Expanded Editions on Blu Ray is awesome, but there is wiggle room for a future edition. With everything in High Def. But hey… That’s Big Business for us. They know when they own us.

Bollocks!!!! The Fellowship HAS gone through the Digital Color Grading process, it was on the DVD, the video has even been posted here numerous times!!!!

[Petri Teittinen]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

I'm sure it would look even better if one had access to the original regraded source without the green tint applied, rather than what i've done which is essentially regrade it again to remove the green tint.

Apparently one theory is that FOTR was extensively regraded by PJ and Lesnie for this release, but a technical SNAFU later on in the production pipeline ruined that by adding a constant cyan/teal cast over it. I'm not saying that's impossible; in fact, I'm starting to lean towards that explanation myself. If we had access to the movie before a cyan/teal cast was laid on it... there wouldn't be any need to tinker with it

Btw, haven't forgotten about the Isengard scene, just haven't got round to checking out that scene regraded with your settings.

I used one Isengard scene to do a cyan/teal removal test of my own. You haven't read your PMs on avsforum

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Bollocks!!!! The Fellowship HAS gone through the Digital Color Grading process, it was on the DVD, the video has even been posted here numerous times!!!!

STOP THE PRESSES! Harry Knowles doesn't know what he's talking about and yet acts like an industry professional!