The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[swl72us]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just talked to one of my friends, and he will be bringing his set over in about two hours so I can check it out.

He told me "Oh my God, it's absolutely beautiful!". I asked about some specific scenes, and he said " I was talking about the box, I haven't even opened it yet".

Yeah, that box is amazing! It's the classiest box set that I've ever seen/owned.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I made this very point after seeing the new master at the theater. Todd was all "I'd notice!" I seriously doubt he would. The problem is that some people can't separate what they're seeing and the screenshots when watching it.

Well, the problem is once you know about the tint and have seen the comparisons, it is more noticeable... even when the film is in motion. Once you see it, it's difficult to unsee it. Believe me, I'm now cursed. I stand my statement that it's more difficult to see when the film is in motion, but that will mainly apply to people who haven't studied the differences so closely. Todd has studied the comparisons so much, as have I, that I'm sure he will notice, as do I. That doesn't make him any more right or wrong than you. That's the rub. No one is right or wrong in this situation, it's all about personal tastes, impressions and beliefs.

Just to clarify: I'm not trying to contradict you at all, or start an argument. But I also think dismissing those who notice the tint, even in motion, as malcontents is only going to lead to further arguments that really aren't necessary or fair to those with a different opinion. The tint boils down to perception, so it's bound to bother some more than others. Why everyone seems angry at those who see or don't see it is baffling to me.

You noticed the dull(er) colors in some of the scenes in Hobbiton on the DC, but not on the Blu-ray. That doesn't make you wrong, or the two versions different. It just shows how easily viewing environments, screen sizes, reference points, etc affects how noticeable the new color grade and tint are.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Icemouth

waitwut

I'm not sure what was so difficult to understand there. Here's a simplified version:

Has it occurred to us that the green shift is an intentional artistic choice? Yes, however odd that would seem to be.

Has it occurred to us that the green shift is an intentional choice made for the purpose of separating true fans from false? No, it hasn't, cause that's really dumb.

[Inspector Toschi]

Well, after flipping through FOTR for a solid hour I'm ashamed to say that I actually fell for all the hoopla for a moment. This is a stunning image. And what-do-ya-know, everything isn't slathered in green. I can't help but laugh at the Matrix comparisons now. It's shocking how overblown this has gotten.

Had I not read these forum, all I would have noticed was the new teal to some scenes. Honestly, I'm a little baffled as to how someone could think the entire film has a green tint when watching the disc. Skin tones look great. The skies in hobbiton were a nice shade of blue (That youtube comparison is officially a joke now) I've seen a number of shades of different white. Flames look like flames. I could go on. The only instance where the teal color is a bit drastic appears to be the snow mountain trek for obvious reasons.

I could get behind the TE criticisms because they actually suffered from DNR and a bit of EE. But this is just another Alien/Aliens scenario. What a fantastic looking image. And in case anyone asks, I did not hold a piece of paper up to my screen while I watched it.

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Shemp

The boxset is available again on Amazon UK so that's any conspiracy theories about it being held back due to PQ issues out the window.

The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy Blu-ray

Heh - it does look like they ran out though. 2 to 3 weeks… and the price went up a bit, too.

BTW the Blu-ray.com page has been updated to reflect the new Amazon price but fails to list the cheapest price (at least HMV is now cheaper).

[omicron]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Well, the problem is once you know about the tint and have seen the comparisons, it is more noticeable... even when the film is in motion. Once you see it, it's difficult to unsee it. Believe me, I'm now cursed. I stand my statement that it's more difficult to see when the film is in motion, but that will mainly apply to people who haven't studied the differences so closely. Todd has studied the comparisons so much, as have I, that I'm sure he will notice, as do I. That doesn't make him any more right or wrong than you. That's the rub. No one is right or wrong in this situation, it's all about personal tastes, impressions and beliefs.

I think it is great that we have these fora to hash out these issues so people can have this information before making a decision.

That said I am off now to watch the ROTK at my local theatre.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Inspector Toschi

I could get behind the TE criticisms because they actually suffered from DNR and a bit of EE. But this is just another Alien/Aliens scenario. What a fantastic looking image. And in case anyone asks, I did not hold a piece of paper up to my screen while I watched it.

Are you saying that the Theatrical Editions suffer from a bit of Extended Edition?

[Show spoiler] Just Kidding!

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Inspector Toschi

Honestly, I'm a little baffled as to how someone could think the entire film has a green tint when watching the disc.

The tint has been shown to be present over the entire film. The FOTR shots that reappear in TTT and ROTK feature slightly different hues. (For example, Boromir's death flashback in ROTK exhibits more lifelike skintones, among other things, than its FOTR counterpart.) The tint just isn't obvious throughout most of FOTR. Reds still appear red, blues still appear blue. They just lean green, subtly shifting hues without making everything appear as if it's bathed in green light. In some scenes, the factors simply align in such a way as to make it more noticeable.

Again, let's not debate the existence of the tint over the entire film. It's present and accounted for by all objective analyses. No screenshots have emerged to suggest otherwise. Warner's statement simply maintains that it was an intentional choice made by Jackson and Lesnie during their regrade. Let's keep the debate to whether the tint is apparent or not.

Thanks for providing your impressions, though

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just talked to one of my friends, and he will be bringing his set over in about two hours so I can check it out.

He told me "Oh my God, it's absolutely beautiful!". I asked about some specific scenes, and he said " I was talking about the box, I haven't even opened it yet".

Ha Ha, excellent! Frogmort, would love to hear your conclusion to this after the earlier discussions...

[Underworld54]

Just watched the U.K. unboxing video and it reminded why I hate unboxing videos so much. They take forever to get to the unboxing. They all say stuff like "This is the price sticker" and pointless stuff like that. Also, they all feel like you're watching The Blair Witch Project or Cloverfield...holy shaky cam. Just get to the point, less talky and more showy please. The set is beautiful though.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Well, the problem is once you know about the tint and have seen the comparisons, it is more noticeable... even when the film is in motion. Once you see it, it's difficult to unsee it. Believe me, I'm now cursed. I stand my statement that it's more difficult to see when the film is in motion, but that will mainly apply to people who haven't studied the differences so closely. Todd has studied the comparisons so much, as have I, that I'm sure he will notice, as do I. That doesn't make him any more right or wrong than you. That's the rub. No one is right or wrong in this situation, it's all about personal tastes, impressions and beliefs.

Just to clarify: I'm not trying to contradict you at all, or start an argument. But I also think dismissing those who notice the tint, even in motion, as malcontents is only going to lead to further arguments that really aren't necessary or fair to those with a different opinion. The tint boils down to perception, so it's bound to bother some more than others. Why everyone seems angry at those who see or don't see it is baffling to me.

You noticed the dull(er) colors in some of the scenes in Hobbiton on the DC, but not on the Blu-ray. That doesn't make you wrong, or the two versions different. It just shows how easily viewing environments, screen sizes, reference points, etc affects how noticeable the new color grade and tint are.

There is a saying: Ignorance is bliss.

In this case do you feel that it would have been better if you had not noticed the tint?

Was it worth it to do all those comparisons? Now you are cursed to see a film that doesn't look right.

[The Blufather]

Originally Posted by Inspector Toschi

Well, after flipping through FOTR for a solid hour I'm ashamed to say that I actually fell for all the hoopla for a moment. This is a stunning image. And what-do-ya-know, everything isn't slathered in green. I can't help but laugh at the Matrix comparisons now. It's shocking how overblown this has gotten.

Had I not read these forum, all I would have noticed was the new teal to some scenes. Honestly, I'm a little baffled as to how someone could think the entire film has a green tint when watching the disc. Skin tones look great. The skies in hobbiton were a nice shade of blue (That youtube comparison is officially a joke now) I've seen a number of shades of different white. Flames look like flames. I could go on. The only instance where the teal color is a bit drastic appears to be the snow mountain trek for obvious reasons.

I could get behind the TE criticisms because they actually suffered from DNR and a bit of EE. But this is just another Alien/Aliens scenario. What a fantastic looking image. And in case anyone asks, I did not hold a piece of paper up to my screen while I watched it.

Yep. I'm here watching smoke from Gandolph's pipe, and now watching more smoking in the tavern, 35 minute mark and it's the color smoke should be, not green.

If I didn't read this thread, I probably wouldn't even notice anything. So I think from what I've seen, it pretty much kills any hope people are having with a replacement program/disc, admittance of mistakes etc. Because this is going to look great to the vast majority of people buying this and the best these movies are going to look/have looked to this point.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Well, the problem is once you know about the tint and have seen the comparisons, it is more noticeable... even when the film is in motion. Once you see it, it's difficult to unsee it. Believe me, I'm now cursed. I stand my statement that it's more difficult to see when the film is in motion, but that will mainly apply to people who haven't studied the differences so closely. Todd has studied the comparisons so much, as have I, that I'm sure he will notice, as do I. That doesn't make him any more right or wrong than you. That's the rub. No one is right or wrong in this situation, it's all about personal tastes, impressions and beliefs.

Just to clarify: I'm not trying to contradict you at all, or start an argument. But I also think dismissing those who notice the tint, even in motion, as malcontents is only going to lead to further arguments that really aren't necessary or fair to those with a different opinion. The tint boils down to perception, so it's bound to bother some more than others. Why everyone seems angry at those who see or don't see it is baffling to me.

You noticed the dull(er) colors in some of the scenes in Hobbiton on the DC, but not on the Blu-ray. That doesn't make you wrong, or the two versions different. It just shows how easily viewing environments, screen sizes, reference points, etc affects how noticeable the new color grade and tint are.

Absolutely! It's a bit of a nightmare. I can see that it's changed, but it's only really noticeable for me in 4 or 5 scenes. I hope next time I watch it I will just lose myself in the film. I wonder if anybody who has been really vexed by the screenshots will be able to put it aside whilst viewing...or will they have their noses on the screens looking for something that irritates them? I certainly wouldn't want to watch a film like that!

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

The tint has been shown to be present over the entire film. The FOTR shots that reappear in TTT and ROTK feature slightly different hues. (For example, Boromir's death flashback in ROTK exhibits more lifelike skintones, among other things, than its FOTR counterpart.) The tint just isn't obvious throughout most of FOTR. Reds still appear red, blues still appear blue. They just lean green, subtly shifting hues without making everything appear as if it's bathed in green light. In some scenes, the factors simply align in such a way as to make it more noticeable.

Again, let's not debate the existence of the tint over the entire film. It's present and accounted for by all objective analyses. No screenshots have emerged to suggest otherwise. Warner's statement simply maintains that it was an intentional choice made by Jackson and Lesnie during their regrade. Let's keep the debate to whether the tint is apparent or not.

Thanks for providing your impressions, though

Ken, I don't think he was saying that he (or anyone else actually) is disagreeing with you, it's just that they were being misled into thinking everything would look as though it had a green cellophane wrapper on it. But it is fair to say that it is not noticeable to most, except those that write reviews discussing such things...

[Hans Gruber]

Did anyone else get their's from Amazon? And does it smell like old wet garbage. I just unwrapped mine, abosolutely stunning package but it smells so bad!!! Totally serious.

[alexroubaix]

Unlike the packaging pics, my blu ray cases are black. Is this normal for everyone else? I like it regardless.

[The Blufather]

Originally Posted by alexroubaix

Unlike the packaging pics, my blu ray cases are black. Is this normal for everyone else? I like it regardless.

Mine are black, mine are U.S. via Amazon.com. I think those others are UK.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Snip (snipped because it's too long to quote).

The fact is that opinions are biased because of these screenshots. I can watch Fellowship and not even think about them or even notice the color differences unless I actively look for them. It's not hard to do. Stay positive and it works. If I made hundreds of posts saying the same thing, posting the same images and video comparisons, and kept saying "green" when it isn't, it would be difficult for me to stay positive as well. It's a wonder this thread wasn't closed because of the massive *****fest, which is what it was for weeks until the release came out, which validated that the transfer isn't as bad as the outcries suggested and continue to suggest, by those who haven't even seen it!.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

The tint has been shown to be present over the entire film. The FOTR shots that reappear in TTT and ROTK feature slightly different hues. (For example, Boromir's death flashback in ROTK exhibits more lifelike skintones, among other things, than its FOTR counterpart.) The tint just isn't obvious throughout most of FOTR. Reds still appear red, blues still appear blue. They just lean green, subtly shifting hues without making everything appear as if it's bathed in green light. In some scenes, the factors simply align in such a way as to make it more noticeable.

Again, let's not debate the existence of the tint over the entire film. It's present and accounted for by all objective analyses. No screenshots have emerged to suggest otherwise. Warner's statement simply maintains that it was an intentional choice made by Jackson and Lesnie during their regrade. Let's keep the debate to whether the tint is apparent or not.

Thanks for providing your impressions, though

Hi Ken,

I think the thing that has gotten lost a lot in this thread is the incredible impact of the extremely strong contrast boost and the accompanying loss in detail, particularly in shadows, that goes along with that. The very worst parts of FOTR EE are when the green tint and heightened contrast combine in one of those scenes where all the elements align to show them at their worst. The "Second Breakfast" scene is just such an example, because what's wrong with that scene is not just the green tint, but the massive contrast boost that loses a lot of detail. Like I showed with a previous screen grab, in order to match the TE blu-ray of the scene to the EE blu I had to put a green tint over the image AND boost the contrast up to 65.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3438608...in/photostream

The green tint is less of an overall distraction in terms of the overall film than the contrast, and the shire is a good example of this. The shire, even with the green push, wouldn't look anywhere near as bad as it does if the contrast weren't cranked up so high, making it seem even DARKER than the green tint makes it appear. I think the reference to sunglasses in one of the reviews is actually quite accurate.

Take care,
HeKS

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Did anyone else get their's from Amazon? And does it smell like old wet garbage. I just unwrapped mine, abosolutely stunning package but it smells so bad!!! Totally serious.

Ewwww…

Originally Posted by alexroubaix

Unlike the packaging pics, my blu ray cases are black. Is this normal for everyone else? I like it regardless.

US set features black cases.
UK set features blue cases.

[alexroubaix]

Thanks for the info.