The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[DNinja]

I've been watching Fellowship of the Ring for a good 30-40 minutes now and skipped around a bit to see different scenes. There is nothing wrong with the film. It looks amazing. There is a bit of a green tint that is noticeable in a few scenes, but it's nothing earth-shattering and I doubt most people would notice it. It's completely ridiculous that so much has been made of this "issue."

[paperpete]

Hello everyone. Lurker here. I just posted my very unprofessional impressions over in the UK thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/united-kin...ml#post4897253

...there just for info. For what they're worth!

Pete

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

Here's the thing... if you actually watch that video closely, Jackson says this about the use of digital grading right at the start of the piece: "Even though the movie was shot on some amazing locations, I wanted to somehow just shift it - nudge it sideways from reality. New Zealand has got all this amazing landscape which we obviously used to maximum effect. But nonetheless it's still New Zealand - it's still a real country, a real landscape and I wanted to nudge it just slightly to Middle Earth..."

And at 11:30, Peter says: "You know, I really like playing with the colors, because they do affect you subconsciously. Most people won't notice but they help, just as the performance of the actors or the music helps to create a sort of emotional mood to what you're seeing."

In other words, he never intended it the film to look exactly like reality, where all snow is pure white, all skies are pure blue, etc. When you watch the video, the real water around the Hobbiton set was muddy green/brown, and they made it bright blue. In other words, they altered reality to create a fantastical environment. Since those are his creative decisions, it's hard for us as observers to judge their validity.

At 2:47 in the featurette, Peter also says: "We ultimately did about... you know 70% of Fellowship went through a computer..."

So right there he says that the whole film didn't go through digital grading. Only 70%. And we don't know if he was talking about the theatrical cut or the Extended Edition - it isn't clear. Now consider, as RAH said, that Fellowship was really the first time they'd been able to do Digital Grading. This was in late 2001/early 2002 for the Fellowship: EE, when they were still in the thick of actual production on Two Towers and Return of the King. They later had the opportunity to digitally grade all of Two Towers and Return of the King, including the EEs. So it's quite possible - and based on what Jackson told Harry Knowles (as posted today on AICN), I think likely - that this new 2K remaster of the Fellowship: EE was the first time since late 2001/early 2002 that Jackson and Lesnie really had the chance to go back and fully give the Fellowship: EE a complete digital grading to their satisfaction.

Now, we know they made changes to the color timing. Everyone has said they did, including me in my initial review and virtually every other review as well. The question was, were they an error or deliberate. My sources told me they were deliberate changes, made by the filmmakers themselves. But the assumption was quickly made online that it was all done haphazardly, or it was a technical mistake, based on the early screenshots. But I was told that Jackson and Lesnie were personally involved in the new Fellowship: EE remaster and grading - they made the decisions, they approved the master. Lesnie further approved the check discs. Still, when this controversy erupted online, RAH and I alerted WHV and Wingnut that there might be an issue and they should look into it. It also appears that Harry Knowles e-mailed Jackson directly about it. Wingnut looked into it, confirmed that yes, the discs look as Jackson and Lesnie wanted them to, they reported that back to WHV, and the studio issued their statement yesterday. And Jackson himself told Harry (and Harry has reported) thusly:

"Earlier this month there was some hub-bub about some of the Blu Ray forums that the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE Blu-Ray mastering was completely ****ed with an ugly green hint over everything, oblitering any real whites and messing up the entire gorgeous color palate of the film. I wrote Peter Jackson to alert him to the rumors. Peter had Andrew Lesnie look into it – you see… of the 3 films, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE was the only film of the trilogy that did not go through the extensive and expensive Digital Color Grading process. They did that for this. Peter had seen the new mastering of FELLOWSHIP – in fact anyone that had seen it on HD broadcasts recently was looking at the gorgeous master sans any tinting. In Peter’s opinion the film has simply never looked better – including theatrically, because this new digital color grading was something that Peter wanted from the very beginning."

So yes, there are changes. But is it so hard for people to believe that Jackson and Lesnie weren't just as careful now, when they digitally graded the new remaster, as they were back in 2001? And is it so hard to believe that perhaps they learned things or made choices during the later grading of Two Towers and Return of the King that made them re-think or change some of the grading choices they made originally on Fellowship when they finally had the chance to revisit it? To me, the idea that Jackson would just let shoddy work pass is far-fetched. It was one thing back when the theatrical cuts came to Blu-ray - Jackson wasn't yet committed to working with WHV on The Hobbit, so he was less directly involved. Jackson and Wingnut's previous relationship was with New Line, not Warner. But now, they're all in business together. Warner has a massive investment Jackson's work, and significant incentive to keep Jackson happy, as they're all involved in a project that's going to last probably another 3 years by the time we get past the theatrical releases of both Hobbit films, and the eventual Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D releases, not to mention likely an ultimate box set of all the Rings and Hobbit films.

Still, we all know that mistakes can happen. I too was concerned when I saw the originally posted screenshots. But when I saw the actual discs on a properly calibrated display, it was clear to me that the screenshots just weren't telling the complete story, and that this issue was being greatly overblown. That was also RAH's experience, and many other reviewers have now made similar reports. Yes, there are changes. But all this talk of ugly "fades to green" are overblown. And now that people are actually seeing the discs themselves, that seems to be the prevailing sentiment.

That's not to say that some very fine and smart people still don't like what they see on the actual discs, and they're absolutely entitled to their opinion. But either way, as should surprise no one, a lot of the ugly, nasty personal attacks and debate in the online forums over the last three weeks have been really uncalled for. You know, it's worth remembering that we all share a love of these films - or at least of film in general, and of home theatre. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to discuss this stuff and still be respectful of one another. I hope people take this opportunity to take a deep breath, and realize that a lot of the recent behavior was excessive, and maybe remember why we're all so passionate about this subject in the first place.

Very well put.

[vidjunkie]

Thanks Bill Hunt, that was a very good read, and I agree with you, as I am sure a lot of others here do as well.

Thanks again for taking time to post that.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

Here's the thing... if you actually watch that video closely, Jackson says this about the use of digital grading right at the start of the piece: "Even though the movie was shot on some amazing locations, I wanted to somehow just shift it - nudge it sideways from reality. New Zealand has got all this amazing landscape which we obviously used to maximum effect. But nonetheless it's still New Zealand - it's still a real country, a real landscape and I wanted to nudge it just slightly to Middle Earth..."

And at 11:30, Peter says: "You know, I really like playing with the colors, because they do affect you subconsciously. Most people won't notice but they help, just as the performance of the actors or the music helps to create a sort of emotional mood to what you're seeing."

In other words, he never intended it the film to look exactly like reality, where all snow is pure white, all skies are pure blue, etc. When you watch the video, the real water around the Hobbiton set was muddy green/brown, and they made it bright blue. In other words, they altered reality to create a fantastical environment. Since those are his creative decisions, it's hard for us as observers to judge their validity.

At 2:47 in the featurette, Peter also says: "We ultimately did about... you know 70% of Fellowship went through a computer..."

So right there he says that the whole film didn't go through digital grading. Only 70%. And we don't know if he was talking about the theatrical cut or the Extended Edition - it isn't clear. Now consider, as RAH said, that Fellowship was really the first time they'd been able to do Digital Grading. This was in late 2001/early 2002 for the Fellowship: EE, when they were still in the thick of actual production on Two Towers and Return of the King. They later had the opportunity to digitally grade all of Two Towers and Return of the King, including the EEs. So it's quite possible - and based on what Jackson told Harry Knowles (as posted today on AICN), I think likely - that this new 2K remaster of the Fellowship: EE was the first time since late 2001/early 2002 that Jackson and Lesnie really had the chance to go back and fully give the Fellowship: EE a complete digital grading to their satisfaction.

Now, we know they made changes to the color timing. Everyone has said they did, including me in my initial review and virtually every other review as well. The question was, were they an error or deliberate. My sources told me they were deliberate changes, made by the filmmakers themselves. But the assumption was quickly made online that it was all done haphazardly, or it was a technical mistake, based on the early screenshots. But I was told that Jackson and Lesnie were personally involved in the new Fellowship: EE remaster and grading - they made the decisions, they approved the master. Lesnie further approved the check discs. Still, when this controversy erupted online, RAH and I alerted WHV and Wingnut that there might be an issue and they should look into it. It also appears that Harry Knowles e-mailed Jackson directly about it. Wingnut looked into it, confirmed that yes, the discs look as Jackson and Lesnie wanted them to, they reported that back to WHV, and the studio issued their statement yesterday. And Jackson himself told Harry (and Harry has reported) thusly:

"Earlier this month there was some hub-bub about some of the Blu Ray forums that the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE Blu-Ray mastering was completely ****ed with an ugly green hint over everything, oblitering any real whites and messing up the entire gorgeous color palate of the film. I wrote Peter Jackson to alert him to the rumors. Peter had Andrew Lesnie look into it – you see… of the 3 films, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE was the only film of the trilogy that did not go through the extensive and expensive Digital Color Grading process. They did that for this. Peter had seen the new mastering of FELLOWSHIP – in fact anyone that had seen it on HD broadcasts recently was looking at the gorgeous master sans any tinting. In Peter’s opinion the film has simply never looked better – including theatrically, because this new digital color grading was something that Peter wanted from the very beginning."

So yes, there are changes. But is it so hard for people to believe that Jackson and Lesnie weren't just as careful now, when they digitally graded the new remaster, as they were back in 2001? And is it so hard to believe that perhaps they learned things or made choices during the later grading of Two Towers and Return of the King that made them re-think or change some of the grading choices they made originally on Fellowship when they finally had the chance to revisit it? To me, the idea that Jackson would just let shoddy work pass is far-fetched. It was one thing back when the theatrical cuts came to Blu-ray - Jackson wasn't yet committed to working with WHV on The Hobbit, so he was less directly involved. Jackson and Wingnut's previous relationship was with New Line, not Warner. But now, they're all in business together. Warner has a massive investment Jackson's work, and significant incentive to keep Jackson happy, as they're all involved in a project that's going to last probably another 3 years by the time we get past the theatrical releases of both Hobbit films, and the eventual Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D releases, not to mention likely an ultimate box set of all the Rings and Hobbit films.

Still, we all know that mistakes can happen. I too was concerned when I saw the originally posted screenshots. But when I saw the actual discs on a properly calibrated display, it was clear to me that the screenshots just weren't telling the complete story, and that this issue was being greatly overblown. That was also RAH's experience, and many other reviewers have now made similar reports. Yes, there are changes. But all this talk of ugly "fades to green" are overblown. And now that people are actually seeing the discs themselves, that seems to be the prevailing sentiment.

That's not to say that some very fine and smart people still don't like what they see on the actual discs, and they're absolutely entitled to their opinion. But either way, as should surprise no one, a lot of the ugly, nasty personal attacks and debate in the online forums over the last three weeks have been really uncalled for. You know, it's worth remembering that we all share a love of these films - or at least of film in general, and of home theatre. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to discuss this stuff and still be respectful of one another. I hope people take this opportunity to take a deep breath, and realize that a lot of the recent behavior was excessive, and maybe remember why we're all so passionate about this subject in the first place.

As usual Bill your post and participation is much appreciated. There are some people who will never be happy, but I very appreciate the advice you have shared with us for years.

The same token of appreciation goes to Ken Brown and the entire bluray.com moderating staff.

Keep up the good work.

Now its time for me to check out the disc myself!!

[PGW]

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

Here's the thing... if you actually watch that video closely, Jackson says this about the use of digital grading right at the start of the piece: "Even though the movie was shot on some amazing locations, I wanted to somehow just shift it - nudge it sideways from reality. New Zealand has got all this amazing landscape which we obviously used to maximum effect. But nonetheless it's still New Zealand - it's still a real country, a real landscape and I wanted to nudge it just slightly to Middle Earth..."

Which sounds convincing enough... until you remember that the skies and snow in TT and ROTK are NOT green. What happened? Middle Earth shift colors overnight?

[Berek]

Just picked this up. What disk contains the digital copies? Am I blind?

[Sky_Captain85]

Originally Posted by Berek

Just picked this up. What disk contains the digital copies? Am I blind?

There are no digital copy discs.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Berek

Just picked this up. What disk contains the digital copies? Am I blind?

There are no DC discs. There should be an insert in your set with codes for downloadable digital copies

[Ecstasy]

Hi Ken!

[Illy Scorsese]

*Sighs*

Well here it goes... The first official crow eating...

I decided to go buy the set today(after the statement it was pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a disc exchange). I decided that I had to shell out the bucks to really see it for myself since I have spent so much time debating this subject. So obviously I open it and go right for FOTR(fantastis top of the line packaging btw). Pop it in, and prepare for the dissapointment to hit me...

This could get very long winded so I'll just get right to it...The film looks fantastic.

And it's hard for me to really understand because I know the screenshots are right(and I've looking at the screens on my TV). So yeah it's very puzzling... Because what can I say? It doesn't look the same. It looks much better.

Now it is slightly darker in some spots, and the color timing has been adjusted slightly... But it's not bad or distracting or problematic.It looks really good guys, that's just the truth.

The Title? I could barely see it as being anything other than a pleasing soft white(in the screenshots it looked more green to me, which again is difficult for me to understand).

The Mountains in the snow and the ring? Looks excellent and the snow is fairly white and the sky is blue...Is it different than before? Yes... But it's not a bad thing...I promise(I expected to be the most upset by this scene).

The Shire? Although it does feel slightly toned down(I emphasize slightly), it still feels warm and vibrant and like a wonerful place to be. Again due to the screens I expected it to feel drab or off...And it didn't. I felt slightly different but not in a bothersome or distracting way... I was very nice.

There were two scenes that I felt captured properly in the screens. The breakfast scene and the waterfall scene. The breakfast one although it does look as green as the screenshot, it fits the feel of the moment and the weather... The boats and waterfall shot however I don't like in the new edition as the shot really feels grey and feels like it's had the color sucked out of it.

Besides that the Discs and the film look Excellent.

There's no point in waiting on a replacement program as one iisn't coming... The discs are fine... This is the way Jackson wants the film to look now(the film revisionism debate should continue).

P.S. I viewed FOTR on a 50 inch Pioneer Elite KURO Pro-111FD, with a PS3 as my player.

[STRYKKER]

LONG LONG LONG TIME lurker here......But I had to register just to ask 1 BIG question.........
WHERE CAN I BE GUARANTEED A BOX SET WITH THE RING????
Wal-Mart?Amazon?...Just say the word and I'm buying it right NOW!!!!!!

[Bill Hunt]

Originally Posted by PGW

Which sounds convincing enough... until you remember that the skies and snow in TT and ROTK are NOT green. What happened? Middle Earth shift colors overnight?

I'll repeat from above: "So yes, there are changes. But is it so hard for people to believe that Jackson and Lesnie weren't just as careful now, when they digitally graded the new remaster, as they were back in 2001? And is it so hard to believe that perhaps they learned things or made choices during the later grading of Two Towers and Return of the King that made them re-think or change some of the grading choices they made originally on Fellowship when they finally had the chance to revisit it?"

Ultimately, it's not my job to convince you if you disagree. I certainly respect your opinion if you do. I respect the opinions of others who do too. I can only call things as I see them, and make good faith efforts to investigate when there are controversies. That some disagree with my opinions, or find those efforts somehow not good enough, is inevitable but it's not really anything I can change, so there's little point in worrying about it. Anyway, I've said my piece. And I continue to wish everyone here all the best.

[Berek]

Originally Posted by STRYKKER

LONG LONG LONG TIME lurker here......But I had to register just to ask 1 BIG question.........
WHERE CAN I BE GUARANTEED A BOX SET WITH THE RING????
Wal-Mart?Amazon?...Just say the word and I'm buying it right NOW!!!!!!

The ring was at Best Buy as part of a preorder bonus.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

Here's the thing... if you actually watch that video closely, Jackson says this about the use of digital grading right at the start of the piece: "Even though the movie was shot on some amazing locations, I wanted to somehow just shift it - nudge it sideways from reality. New Zealand has got all this amazing landscape which we obviously used to maximum effect. But nonetheless it's still New Zealand - it's still a real country, a real landscape and I wanted to nudge it just slightly to Middle Earth..."

And at 11:30, Peter says: "You know, I really like playing with the colors, because they do affect you subconsciously. Most people won't notice but they help, just as the performance of the actors or the music helps to create a sort of emotional mood to what you're seeing."

In other words, he never intended it the film to look exactly like reality, where all snow is pure white, all skies are pure blue, etc. When you watch the video, the real water around the Hobbiton set was muddy green/brown, and they made it bright blue. In other words, they altered reality to create a fantastical environment. Since those are his creative decisions, it's hard for us as observers to judge their validity.

At 2:47 in the featurette, Peter also says: "We ultimately did about... you know 70% of Fellowship went through a computer..."

So right there he says that the whole film didn't go through digital grading. Only 70%. And we don't know if he was talking about the theatrical cut or the Extended Edition - it isn't clear. Now consider, as RAH said, that Fellowship was really the first time they'd been able to do Digital Grading. This was in late 2001/early 2002 for the Fellowship: EE, when they were still in the thick of actual production on Two Towers and Return of the King. They later had the opportunity to digitally grade all of Two Towers and Return of the King, including the EEs. So it's quite possible - and based on what Jackson told Harry Knowles (as posted today on AICN), I think likely - that this new 2K remaster of the Fellowship: EE was the first time since late 2001/early 2002 that Jackson and Lesnie really had the chance to go back and fully give the Fellowship: EE a complete digital grading to their satisfaction.

Now, we know they made changes to the color timing. Everyone has said they did, including me in my initial review and virtually every other review as well. The question was, were they an error or deliberate. My sources told me they were deliberate changes, made by the filmmakers themselves. But the assumption was quickly made online that it was all done haphazardly, or it was a technical mistake, based on the early screenshots. But I was told that Jackson and Lesnie were personally involved in the new Fellowship: EE remaster and grading - they made the decisions, they approved the master. Lesnie further approved the check discs. Still, when this controversy erupted online, RAH and I alerted WHV and Wingnut that there might be an issue and they should look into it. It also appears that Harry Knowles e-mailed Jackson directly about it. Wingnut looked into it, confirmed that yes, the discs look as Jackson and Lesnie wanted them to, they reported that back to WHV, and the studio issued their statement yesterday. And Jackson himself told Harry (and Harry has reported) thusly:

"Earlier this month there was some hub-bub about some of the Blu Ray forums that the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE Blu-Ray mastering was completely ****ed with an ugly green hint over everything, oblitering any real whites and messing up the entire gorgeous color palate of the film. I wrote Peter Jackson to alert him to the rumors. Peter had Andrew Lesnie look into it – you see… of the 3 films, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING EE was the only film of the trilogy that did not go through the extensive and expensive Digital Color Grading process. They did that for this. Peter had seen the new mastering of FELLOWSHIP – in fact anyone that had seen it on HD broadcasts recently was looking at the gorgeous master sans any tinting. In Peter’s opinion the film has simply never looked better – including theatrically, because this new digital color grading was something that Peter wanted from the very beginning."

So yes, there are changes. But is it so hard for people to believe that Jackson and Lesnie weren't just as careful now, when they digitally graded the new remaster, as they were back in 2001? And is it so hard to believe that perhaps they learned things or made choices during the later grading of Two Towers and Return of the King that made them re-think or change some of the grading choices they made originally on Fellowship when they finally had the chance to revisit it? To me, the idea that Jackson would just let shoddy work pass is far-fetched. It was one thing back when the theatrical cuts came to Blu-ray - Jackson wasn't yet committed to working with WHV on The Hobbit, so he was less directly involved. Jackson and Wingnut's previous relationship was with New Line, not Warner. But now, they're all in business together. Warner has a massive investment Jackson's work, and significant incentive to keep Jackson happy, as they're all involved in a project that's going to last probably another 3 years by the time we get past the theatrical releases of both Hobbit films, and the eventual Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D releases, not to mention likely an ultimate box set of all the Rings and Hobbit films.

Still, we all know that mistakes can happen. I too was concerned when I saw the originally posted screenshots. But when I saw the actual discs on a properly calibrated display, it was clear to me that the screenshots just weren't telling the complete story, and that this issue was being greatly overblown. That was also RAH's experience, and many other reviewers have now made similar reports. Yes, there are changes. But all this talk of ugly "fades to green" are overblown. And now that people are actually seeing the discs themselves, that seems to be the prevailing sentiment.

That's not to say that some very fine and smart people still don't like what they see on the actual discs, and they're absolutely entitled to their opinion. But either way, as should surprise no one, a lot of the ugly, nasty personal attacks and debate in the online forums over the last three weeks have been really uncalled for. You know, it's worth remembering that we all share a love of these films - or at least of film in general, and of home theatre. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to discuss this stuff and still be respectful of one another. I hope people take this opportunity to take a deep breath, and realize that a lot of the recent behavior was excessive, and maybe remember why we're all so passionate about this subject in the first place.

This is what I said on Friday, albeit in a truncated form - not that the green brigade gave it any credence whatsoever....Of course colour enhances the mood and atmospher...and performance and perception. It's art. To me this is obvious, but it seems as though many people only seem to want to so a properly white balanced film. I wonder if gels on lights might be too much for those people!

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

*Sighs*

Well here it goes... The first official crow eating...

I decided to go buy the set today(after the statement it was pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a disc exchange). I decided that I had to shell out the bucks to really see it for myself since I have spent so much time debating this subject. So obviously I open it and go right for FOTR(fantastis top of the line packaging btw). Pop it in, and prepare for the dissapointment to hit me...

This could get very long winded so I'll just get right to it...The film looks fantastic.

And it's hard for me to really understand because I know the screenshots are right(and I've looking at the screens on my TV). So yeah it's very puzzling... Because what can I say? It doesn't look the same. It looks much better.

Now it is slightly darker in some spots, and the color timing has been adjusted slightly... But it's not bad or distracting or problematic.It looks really good guys, that's just the truth.

The Title? I could barely see it as being anything other than a pleasing soft white(in the screenshots it looked more green to me, which again is difficult for me to understand).

The Mountains in the snow and the ring? Looks excellent and the snow is fairly white and the sky is blue...Is it different than before? Yes... But it's not a bad thing...I promise(I expected to be the most upset by this scene).

The Shire? Although it does feel slightly toned down(I emphasize slightly), it still feels warm and vibrant and like a wonerful place to be. Again due to the screens I expected it to feel drab or off...And it didn't. I felt slightly different but not in a bothersome or distracting way... I was very nice.

There were two scenes that I felt captured properly in the screens. The breakfast scene and the waterfall scene. The breakfast one although it does look as green as the screenshot, it fits the feel of the moment and the weather... The boats and waterfall shot however I don't like in the new edition as the shot really feels grey and feels like it's had the color sucked out of it.

Besides that the Discs and the film look Excellent.

There's no point in waiting on a replacement program as one iisn't coming... The discs are fine... This is the way Jackson wants the film to look now(the film revisionism debate should continue).

P.S. I viewed FOTR on a 50 inch Pioneer Elite KURO Pro-111FD, with a PS3 as my player.

I'll be watching it in just a few minutes, as soon as my friend arrives. Hope I have the same outcome.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

*Sighs*

Well here it goes... The first official crow eating...

I decided to go buy the set today(after the statement it was pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a disc exchange). I decided that I had to shell out the bucks to really see it for myself since I have spent so much time debating this subject. So obviously I open it and go right for FOTR(fantastis top of the line packaging btw). Pop it in, and prepare for the dissapointment to hit me...

This could get very long winded so I'll just get right to it...The film looks fantastic.

And it's hard for me to really understand because I know the screenshots are right(and I've looking at the screens on my TV). So yeah it's very puzzling... Because what can I say? It doesn't look the same. It looks much better.

Now it is slightly darker in some spots, and the color timing has been adjusted slightly... But it's not bad or distracting or problematic.It looks really good guys, that's just the truth.

The Title? I could barely see it as being anything other than a pleasing soft white(in the screenshots it looked more green to me, which again is difficult for me to understand).

The Mountains in the snow and the ring? Looks excellent and the snow is fairly white and the sky is blue...Is it different than before? Yes... But it's not a bad thing...I promise(I expected to be the most upset by this scene).

The Shire? Although it does feel slightly toned down(I emphasize slightly), it still feels warm and vibrant and like a wonerful place to be. Again due to the screens I expected it to feel drab or off...And it didn't. I felt slightly different but not in a bothersome or distracting way... I was very nice.

There were two scenes that I felt captured properly in the screens. The breakfast scene and the waterfall scene. The breakfast one although it does look as green as the screenshot, it fits the feel of the moment and the weather... The boats and waterfall shot however I don't like in the new edition as the shot really feels grey and feels like it's had the color sucked out of it.

Besides that the Discs and the film look Excellent.

There's no point in waiting on a replacement program as one iisn't coming... The discs are fine... This is the way Jackson wants the film to look now(the film revisionism debate should continue).

P.S. I viewed FOTR on a 50 inch Pioneer Elite KURO Pro-111FD, with a PS3 as my player.

Thanks for your mini review,and it seems more and more members who have watched the fellowship discs are pretty impressed with it's transfer.

And they seem to be saying the green tint,while still there is not as noticable as some would suggest.

But as I say I will make my own judgement when my own boxset arrives.

[Bill Hunt]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

*Sighs*

Well here it goes... The first official crow eating...

I decided to go buy the set today(after the statement it was pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a disc exchange). I decided that I had to shell out the bucks to really see it for myself since I have spent so much time debating this subject. So obviously I open it and go right for FOTR(fantastis top of the line packaging btw). Pop it in, and prepare for the dissapointment to hit me...

This could get very long winded so I'll just get right to it...The film looks fantastic.

And it's hard for me to really understand because I know the screenshots are right(and I've looking at the screens on my TV). So yeah it's very puzzling... Because what can I say? It doesn't look the same. It looks much better.

Now it is slightly darker in some spots, and the color timing has been adjusted slightly... But it's not bad or distracting or problematic.It looks really good guys, that's just the truth.

The Title? I could barely see it as being anything other than a pleasing soft white(in the screenshots it looked more green to me, which again is difficult for me to understand).

The Mountains in the snow and the ring? Looks excellent and the snow is fairly white and the sky is blue...Is it different than before? Yes... But it's not a bad thing...I promise(I expected to be the most upset by this scene).

The Shire? Although it does feel slightly toned down(I emphasize slightly), it still feels warm and vibrant and like a wonerful place to be. Again due to the screens I expected it to feel drab or off...And it didn't. I felt slightly different but not in a bothersome or distracting way... I was very nice.

There were two scenes that I felt captured properly in the screens. The breakfast scene and the waterfall scene. The breakfast one although it does look as green as the screenshot, it fits the feel of the moment and the weather... The boats and waterfall shot however I don't like in the new edition as the shot really feels grey and feels like it's had the color sucked out of it.

Besides that the Discs and the film look Excellent.

There's no point in waiting on a replacement program as one iisn't coming... The discs are fine... This is the way Jackson wants the film to look now(the film revisionism debate should continue).

P.S. I viewed FOTR on a 50 inch Pioneer Elite KURO Pro-111FD, with a PS3 as my player.

Illy, don't feel bad. RAH and I are just as puzzled as you as to why the screenshots don't seem to tell the whole quality story of the actual viewing experience. This is just one of the reasons why - even though I acknowledge that screenshots can be a very useful tool, and that they're often posted by very trustworthy people - I tend to reserve judgement until I get actual eyes on product.

[joenostalgia23]

I find the green tint LOTR continuity thing hilarious.

1. The tint is so subtle. Everything white looks white. Even though the fade to white isn't pure white, it isn't a fade to teal. It's still white enough that it looks like white. Your brain can adjust to things that subtle.
Before anyone says "oh I have to use my brain to process the tint away?Pff I never use my brain when I watch movies..." you should realize that your brain does this all the time. Movies are illusions, it's not true motion. It's 24 different frames played in succession per second. You brain processes the images as motion in the same way it processes a fade to faintly milky white as pure computer standard white.

2. The ROTK shire and FOTR shire comparison is unfair. Not only does the tint not appear as extreme... Those scenes of the shire are two different scenes. They take place at different times of the year and on different times of day and with different weather. Peter Jackson may have even made color adjustments so that it wouldn't seem like The Shire looks the same all throughout the year.

3. And this isn't really a proper justification but the FOTR scenes in TTT always looked different. I remember there being a comparison when the Theatrical Blu-rays were released. Not only was there DNR applied to FOTR, but the The Two Towers' version of the scene appeared darker and with a different color palette.
They still look different on the Extended Editions, but I don't think they EVER looked EXACT. Plus these are flashbacks and perhaps Jackson and Lesnie intentionally modified color to make it look more like a flashback. The same way they color timed the prologue to appear to be from a different time period.

[STRYKKER]

Originally Posted by berek

the ring was at best buy as part of a preorder bonus.

dammmmm it!!!!!!!!