The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by flodsby

I just finished the first disc of ROTK... wow.

"That's all I gotta say about that."

Indeed

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It almost seems they applied a very subtle green/teal tint (or whatever color you want to call it) layer to the entire film then worked back to adjust things accordingly. As a result, this left the text and whites in some cases tinted slightly. I'm sure the scenes are what the filmmakers requested, but perhaps there's just a bit of digital residue left over (for lack of better words).

Now I know I'm not the first one to say this, or the 302nd for that matter. I'm guessing when they sat back and adjusted the timing and added that "subtle layer of green", what they really cared about was how it would look when viewed in motion rather than giving a rat's ass about what a frozen frame would look like. Yeah, I know that was profound. Anyway ......

Canceled my Amazon order in limbo today and picked up the Trilogy at Best Buy for just .04 cents more after using the $5 coupon that's been floating around. All I need now is the time to watch it ....

Also a big thanks to Ken for all the blood, sweat, and tears, he's put into this one. Proud to be a member here.

Kudos as well to Bill and Robert for showing grace under fire.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

It's kind of expensive and not something you can pick up at Best Buy, ergo A/V geeks love it. Not sure it has much to do with actual quality.

Clearly you've never owned anything from Oppo.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by flodsby

I just finished the first disc of ROTK... wow.

"That's all I gotta say about that."

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Indeed

Ok, now I’m curious. “Wow”, as in the quality of the transfer for the first disc of RotK?

I’ve seen the movies, and they’ve always had the wow factor for me, but I haven’t seen any of the blu-ray transfers for the movies, yet. Well, with the exception of the first 40 minutes or so of FotR (extended).

[AintNoSin]

Okay, I've only watched FOTR up through the end of the first disk. My impressions so far:

• Fine image detail looked superb throughout.
• The scene at Bilbo's door that everyone said was so dark? Looked fine to me.
• Green tint - not so much. Barely detectable when present at all.
• Some scenes in the Shire did look a bit warmer than I remember, more of a gold tint than green.
• The only shot that I recall thinking "Wow, that's green," was when the nine left Minas Morgul.

In short, I can't find any sign that PJ, Wingnut and/or WHV indiscriminately slathered the film with a green brush. All of the green tint tizzy was just a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing (and you all know the first part of that quote, right? )

[TCsabres006]

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

Thanks 350! I was pretty sure I just happened to be the unlucky schlub who got dissed, but I went to WB's support page and they hooked me up, so no worries, I just wanted to know if I was alone on this one, or if it was a wide-spread problem. Thanks again for clarifying what I should have found (I did have the LOTR online game insert, and the HP insert, just missing the DD insert apparently...).

I probably got your sheet with the DC codes....when I opened mine up I had a LOTR merchandise insert, Harry Potter merchandise insert, 4 of the LOTR video game promos, and 2 sheets of digital copy codes

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Ok, now I’m curious. “Wow”, as in the quality of the transfer for the first disc of RotK?

I’ve seen the movies, and they’ve always had the wow factor for me, but I haven’t seen any of the blu-ray transfers for the movies, yet. Well, with the exception of the first 40 minutes or so of FotR (extended).

I was agreeing with his sentiment on everything about it. The film, the image, the audio. "Wow"

[Pieter V]

The only shot that I recall thinking "Wow, that's green," was when the nine left Minas Morgul

Minas Morgul has always been green. ^^

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Ok, now I’m curious. “Wow”, as in the quality of the transfer for the first disc of RotK?

Yes as in the quality. Miles above the dvd EE

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

I was agreeing with his sentiment on everything about it. The film, the image, the audio. "Wow"

Ok, so just everything in general.

As I said, the movies have always had the ‘wow’ factor for me. Looking forward to watching (and appreciating) the extended versions with their full glorious blu-ray transfers.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Minas Morgul has always been green. ^^

Sorry I wasn't clear. My point was that the only scene where I noticed "green" has always been green. I think it might have been a bit "greener."

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

In short, I can't find any sign that PJ, Wingnut and/or WHV indiscriminately slathered the film with a green brush. All of the green tint tizzy was just a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing (and you all know the first part of that quote, right? )

Nope, they didn't indiscriminately slather the film with a green brush. Anyone expecting that can put their fears to bed. They simply added a slight, intentional, arguably imperceptible tint to the whole of the film

The tint -- not the tizzy -- signifies something, though. Jackson added it for a reason, so he had to have a goal in mind when adding it. In his 2001 color grading documentary, he makes it clear that he enjoys using subtle and not-so-subtle colors to evoke certain responses from his viewers.

Glad you enjoyed the transfer. Thanks for offering your impressions!

[Blu-Runner]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

In March (I think) I sold my DVD EE's for $40 plus $3 shipping on ebay. That was the going price at that time (I posted them right at $40 and one person bid).

On ebay, you can login, and check what a certain item sold for (check the "completed Listings" on the left to see what an item goes for). You have to be logged into ebay to see those prices.

I wish I got $40 for mine. I sold mine in May, and all 3 sets were in immaculate condition, as if I never watched them (which is quite the opposite ). No corner dings on the boxes, either.

Sold for $20 plus shipping.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Okay, I've only watched FOTR up through the end of the first disk. My impressions so far:

• Fine image detail looked superb throughout.
• The scene at Bilbo's door that everyone said was so dark? Looked fine to me.
• Green tint - not so much. Barely detectable when present at all.
• Some scenes in the Shire did look a bit warmer than I remember, more of a gold tint than green.
• The only shot that I recall thinking "Wow, that's green," was when the nine left Minas Morgul.

In short, I can't find any sign that PJ, Wingnut and/or WHV indiscriminately slathered the film with a green brush. All of the green tint tizzy was just a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing (and you all know the first part of that quote, right? )

This is exactly how I feel as well from everything I have seen so far.

As I said in my original post, I was really concerned about the whole ‘green’ thing, and I was already one hoping for a disc replacement (and now I feel silly for hoping that).

But I can’t even ‘see’ the slight green with the lettering on the title or on Sauranam’s beard, which appeared obvious on the screenshots posted on the thread.

It’s really a great transfer from what I’ve seen so far and I am looking forward to watching the rest!

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by retablo

Which should be the last word on "screenshot science," and how screenshots, even though often accurate, are NOT always representative of how a disc looks when viewed normally. This has long been known - even though some people live and die by it rather than seeing the discs for themselves - and this example should be the final word on that.

If your computer monitor and your tv have the same three HDTV/sRGB color primaries, video gamma, D65 white point, are calibrated, and viewed in the same viewing environment, both should look the same, except for limitations of shadow detail on one or both of the monitors. So if the disc/screenshot look different from each other, they are not being viewed "normally", monitors are not calibrated, or something is off in one or both of the displays i.e. a non-standard monitor. For example, you can even compare the screenshots directly to the disc loading them to a PS3 through the USB, etc. as jpgs/pngs and displaying them on the TV.

Take notice that there are now several TVs and computer monitors that have "Wide Gamut" primaries, which have a higher saturated red and/or green than HDTV/sRGB, and if they're not color managed, the colors will display different from one type of monitor to the other.

[Reduman]

Crikey ... I have just seen that the German media store "Müller" and online retailer Amazon.de are to launch a recall of the German Extended Editions of LOTR because of a pressing fault in the "Return of the King" soundtrack. Apparently, the German sychronisation is faulty for all of a minute or so. At first I thought the "green tint" controversy had crossed the Atlantic, but that does not appear to be the case. WHV will most likely have to replace the faulty discs. As LOTR EE on blu-ray was not due to go on sale here until Friday, any boxsets already sent to retailers will now have to be returned. They may not be sold as planned on July 1, 2011. Guess my German friends will be green with envy that we already have our boxsets ... [Yes, I could not help the "green" pun .... sorry!]

Btw, I am still waiting for a definitive answer to my query earlier today on the SD extras content ... can anyone clear this up for me? Much appreciated!

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

I assume that is the case as well. Unfortunately, the color re-grading documentary actually contradicts what is being seen and measured. The digital color grading Jackson employed is a region-by-region regrade. Alter this face, leave this face untouched; increase the greens in the field, deepen the blues in the skies, desaturated this patch of reds over here. A blanket tint, over the whole film, not matter how slight or imperceptible, is a different technique than he is touting in that documentary. It's also important to note it isn't a new documentary. It was released in 2001, well before the new color grade.

But that's just me. I know he's busy on 'The Hobbit,' and I don't need a lengthy explanation. My point is simply that three sentences from him would go a long, long way and take him all of half a minute. I'm sure he'll get around to it, though. Otherwise every Q&A session he ever holds will be haunted by questions about tints

Regarding the documentary: I'm referring to his intent, which he clearly expressed in his opening comments in the documentary. Also listen to his comments about the Prancing Pony (4:30). Yes, the documentary was made in 2001, but his intent wasn't realized until now with the new EE BD.

YouTube - ‪LOTR Digital Color Grading Part 1 of 2‬‏

We are beginning to see posts from people relating the look of the BD to the book. That's the viewer response that PJ was after, in my opinion.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post4900377

In my opinion, screencaps do more harm than good. They contain a fraction of the information necessary to develop a subjective evaluation (the only one that truly matters ) of a movie. A fixed image without context is useless. Without music, dialog and movement you don't have a movie. 99% of us don't watch a movie wondering what the RGB values were for frame 20075.

Frankly, I believe it would be advisable to have two threads for a movie: One for subjective evaluation and discussion and another for technical evaluation and discussion. This would keep the bristling responses to a minimum and lead to a more constructive interchange of information for like-minded members. We all deserve to be heard and respected.

This thread has been picking up new members at a rapid pace. It's my guess that even more people would join if a split thread were available.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Reduman

Crikey ... I have just seen that the German media store "Müller" and online retailer Amazon.de are to launch a recall of the German Extended Editions of LOTR because of a pressing fault in the "Return of the King" soundtrack. Apparently, the German sychronisation is faulty for all of a minute or so. At first I thought the "green tint" controversy had crossed the Atlantic, but that does not appear to be the case. WHV will most likely have to replace the faulty discs. As LOTR EE on blu-ray was not due to go on sale here until Friday, any boxsets already sent to retailers will now have to be returned. They may not be sold as planned on July 1, 2011. Guess my German friends will be green with envy that we already have our boxsets ... [Yes, I could not help the "green" pun .... sorry!]

Btw, I am still waiting for a definitive answer to my query earlier today on the SD extras content ... can anyone clear this up for me? Much appreciated!

sorry, I didn't see your post from earlier, can you reference it?

[Riches]

So, cracked open my EEs yesterday only to discover about 6 movie trailers at the beginning of FOTR that, of course, can't be skipped. I haven't checked the other 2 films yet, but this is really disappointing. There weren't any previews on the DVD version, and, after dropping $70 on a special boxed set, I don't believe that it should have any previews on it at all.

Even more upsetting is the fact that I've now spoken to a couple of other people who've bought the set and they say that theirs have no previews at all!

I'm in Canada, and both people I've spoken to were in the States. Is this just an issue with the Canadian version?

Does anyone else out there have trailers at the beginning of their LOTR EEs?

[Derezzed]

Well....here's my $0.02.

2 weeks ago, I got my new glasses....20/13 vision with them on.
I have decent vision normally, but with my prescription peepers, the
details I see watching BD flicks blows me away.
Amazing !

I spent a lot of time dialing in my Samsung 3D TV and tweaking my PS3.

I watched FOTR last nite and was amazed...to quote AintNoSin...

" Fine image detail looked superb throughout.
The scene at Bilbo's door that everyone said was so dark? Looked fine to me.
Green tint - not so much. Barely detectable when present at all.
Some scenes in the Shire did look a bit warmer than I remember, more of a gold tint than green.
The only shot that I recall thinking "Wow, that's green," was when the nine left Minas Morgul.

In short, I can't find any sign that PJ, Wingnut and/or WHV indiscriminately slathered the film with a green brush."


The audio was SPECTACULAR

IMO(and I know the other 2 will be just as great).....this is a "reference" movie to show off your 2D BD video/audio system to friends.

Oh yeah....I remember a post where someone was saying the hues of the snow were out of whack a bit. I have camped overnite on glaciers in Garabaldi Park, British Columbia. I can remember in the movie how spot-on
all of the snow/ice scenes looked depending on the camera angle/time of day that PJ was depicting. Again, spectacular.

Totally worth my $64.95.