The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Riches

So, cracked open my EEs yesterday only to discover about 6 movie trailers at the beginning of FOTR that, of course, can't be skipped. I haven't checked the other 2 films yet, but this is really disappointing. There weren't any previews on the DVD version, and, after dropping $70 on a special boxed set, I don't believe that it should have any previews on it at all.

Even more upsetting is the fact that I've now spoken to a couple of other people who've bought the set and they say that theirs have no previews at all!

I'm in Canada, and both people I've spoken to were in the States. Is this just an issue with the Canadian version?

Does anyone else out there have trailers at the beginning of their LOTR EEs?

must be my set had no previews, i'm usa!

[MerrickG]

Its good to see that the hostility of this thread has finally died down.

I am very glad to see many people in agreement that the discs looks great and I think Bill Hunt and Robert Harris hit the nail on the head when they called it "breathtaking"

I do hope that those who were calling them shills and not "being outraged" will admit that they knew what they were talking about.

Yes, I still would have liked them to condense all the extras into 1 BD-50 and I would have liked more stylized packaging more in line with the dvds of the EEs, but they got the one thing right that I felt they HAD to get right: The feature itself and I am also VERY glad that they split the film over two discs.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Riches

So, cracked open my EEs yesterday only to discover about 6 movie trailers at the beginning of FOTR that, of course, can't be skipped. I haven't checked the other 2 films yet, but this is really disappointing. There weren't any previews on the DVD version, and, after dropping $70 on a special boxed set, I don't believe that it should have any previews on it at all.

Even more upsetting is the fact that I've now spoken to a couple of other people who've bought the set and they say that theirs have no previews at all!

I'm in Canada, and both people I've spoken to were in the States. Is this just an issue with the Canadian version?

Does anyone else out there have trailers at the beginning of their LOTR EEs?

I'm in Canada and have the trailers on disc one of each film. They're probably Alliance trailers. I hate Alliance with a passion, but getting it here was hella lot cheaper than ordering it from the States, so I guess I can live with the commercials.

That being said, I can skip the trailers by pressing the next chapter button on my remote.

[4K display]

I'm in Canada and those previews were annoying, seemed like an Alliance promotion more than anything else

At least they didn't molest the packaging too much, handling the bilingual issue nicely.

[singhcr]

First off, I would like to thank Ken Brown for his input on this thread and his work on Blu-ray.com in general. In one way, it must be a lot of fun to review movies for a living. In another way, it must be hard to take the brunt of very obsessive film fans if they don't agree with you. We are a dedicated bunch of enthuasists here to the point where we get very sad and sometimes upset when a favorite movie has been altered- be it a new cut, new framing, or in this case, color timing.

So is there a tint? You bet there is. To suggest that there isn't just because you can't percieve it is silly. Is it a big deal? To someone like me who tends to notice this stuff, it is. I have reluctantly held off on purchasing Back to the Future on BD because of the DNR and EE because I enjoy them so much that I can't view them in the state that they are in.

I really want to see these movies but I'm hesitant to purchase them because I'm not sure if I can put up with the tint or not. If there was a recall announcement I would have no issue. I suppose I can wait until they are on Netflix and see if they work for me or not.

I think everyone here can respect that those who are upset are feeling the way that they do because they enjoy movies, especially ones that are important to them. At the same time, it makes no sense to personally attack reviewers that you don't agree with, especially ones like Bill Hunt and Robert Harris. I don't agree with their views on the Back to the Future BDs, but I still have a lot of respect for them.

For those who don't think the tint issue is a big deal or those who prefer the changes, good for you- but why insult those who disagree? I think it's perfectly reasonable for the EE BD's to keep the color timing that we initially watched in the theaters and on DVD for the last decade.

[nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by Riches

So, cracked open my EEs yesterday only to discover about 6 movie trailers at the beginning of FOTR that, of course, can't be skipped. I haven't checked the other 2 films yet, but this is really disappointing. There weren't any previews on the DVD version, and, after dropping $70 on a special boxed set, I don't believe that it should have any previews on it at all.

Even more upsetting is the fact that I've now spoken to a couple of other people who've bought the set and they say that theirs have no previews at all!

I'm in Canada, and both people I've spoken to were in the States. Is this just an issue with the Canadian version?

Does anyone else out there have trailers at the beginning of their LOTR EEs?

NO previews on the UK set

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by Riches

So, cracked open my EEs yesterday only to discover about 6 movie trailers at the beginning of FOTR that, of course, can't be skipped. I haven't checked the other 2 films yet, but this is really disappointing. There weren't any previews on the DVD version, and, after dropping $70 on a special boxed set, I don't believe that it should have any previews on it at all.

Even more upsetting is the fact that I've now spoken to a couple of other people who've bought the set and they say that theirs have no previews at all!

I'm in Canada, and both people I've spoken to were in the States. Is this just an issue with the Canadian version?

Does anyone else out there have trailers at the beginning of their LOTR EEs?

Sorry to hear about that.

I'm in the US, and have no previews at all.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Regarding the documentary: I'm referring to his intent, which he clearly expressed in his opening comments in the documentary. Also listen to his comments about the Prancing Pony (4:30). Yes, the documentary was made in 2001, but his intent wasn't realized until now with the new EE BD.

Oh, I understood. I feel like we're circling an argument even though we're both on the same page. I'm very, very, very familiar with that featurette. I've watched it more times in the past three weeks than I care to admit. My point is that the colors were changed ten years later. It would be unwise to assume his intentions are 100% the same as they were ten years ago. They may very well be, mind you. But his new color changes were made years after the fact, so we can't simply say it is exactly what he wanted in 2001. People change their minds, and I'm sure he made at least one change in 2011 he wouldn't have made in 2001. At least one. If not, even a simple "my intent is exactly the same as it was ten years ago, this is just the first time I was able to realize it" would be met with a big thank you from me

Keep in mind, I'm not demanding an explanation from Peter Jackson. Nor do I need one to enjoy the film. I'm just saying a quick explanation would be really helpful in understanding such a deliberate change that isn't quite consistent with the region-by-region color grading Jackson so praised in the original featurette. Yes, I know he still did extensive region-by-region work in his new color grade. It's obvious in key shots and scenes. But he also added a consistent tint from front to back, slight as it may be.

Again, it'd just be nice to hear from the man who gave us 12 hours of documentaries and 36 hours of commentaries. I'm not upset, I'm sure he has very good reasons for not addressing it at the moment (he is, after all, shooting two movies in a production schedule that is only a few days shorter than his three-film LOTR production). I'm just saying it would be nice to get a sentence or two on the Facebook page he already regularly posts on. It would help add context to discussions concerning his intentions in 2010 and 2011. Then, instead of assuming what he intends now, we could just quote him.

Hope that helps clarify. I'm not trying to argue, really. I'm just trying to clarify what would be nice, for me as a fan and as a participant in this discussion, to have at my disposal

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Riches

So, cracked open my EEs yesterday only to discover about 6 movie trailers at the beginning of FOTR that, of course, can't be skipped.

I can only imagine how frustrating that must be. You attempt to watch an extended version of a movie that was too damn long to begin with and you know you're going in for a 5+ hour try to make it through one movie and preseto 6 commercials before you can even try to get it started.

[NYorker]

If it was intentional, you go out right and say it, not wait over two weeks after the fact. I still think it's error - they were just trying to gauge the responsiveness of the buyers. I suppose enough people bought the BD set to warrant only a dry PR note.
Well done, WB, bravo.

[Riches]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I'm in Canada and have the trailers on disc one of each film. They're probably Alliance trailers. I hate Alliance with a passion, but getting it here was hella lot cheaper than ordering it from the States, so I guess I can live with the commercials.

That being said, I can skip the trailers by pressing the next chapter button on my remote.

As for 'unskippable' previews, I can chapter forward for sure (so, yes, I can 'skip' them). I would just prefer if they put them as an 'extra' on the menu or something if they really NEED to include them.

I can deal with previews at the beginning of regular library titles and rental discs, but expensive boxed sets and such should be free from this nonsense.

Maybe a sternly worded letter to Alliance? I'll be polite, after all, I am Canadian :-)

Actually, maybe I'll write PJ and see what he thinks about it... :-)

[flodsby]

Hi all I know this is off-topic, but I use a PS3 and it has the settings like super white and rgb full range and deep color output. I think my tv will use these settings but is it worth it? I tried looking thru the forums for an answer but couldn't find one. Any help would be appreciated.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Yes, I still would have liked them to condense all the extras into 1 BD-50 and I would have liked more stylized packaging more in line with the dvds of the EEs, but they got the one thing right that I felt they HAD to get right: The feature itself and I am also VERY glad that they split the film over two discs.

Sure, it would be more convenient to only have one disc. But I would much rather they went to second disc if it means a higher quality transfer.

And I actually liked the packaging, I thought they did a very good job on it. The DVD EE is nice, but I prefer the black blu-ray cases over the folding case for the DVD version. Plus, I think the exterior case is excellent. The cardboard is very durable, the magnet (to keep to closed) is embedded in the cover and therefore not obvious, and the map on the inside of the cover is a good touch. Nevermind the design on the case was done well, reminds me very much like a tome (which I am sure was the intent). I think a very good job all around.

[CrescentMoon]

Judging from the number of movies nowadays that are featuring green tint, maybe the grading software automatically apply a green tint when someone press 'make final file'

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by NYorker

If it was intentional, you go out right and say it, not wait over two weeks after the fact. I still think it's error - they were just trying to gauge the responsiveness of the buyers. I suppose enough people bought the BD set to warrant only a dry PR note.
Well done, WB, bravo.

Go through this thread and you will see that people have been OVERWHELMINGLY pleased with the transfer of FotR video quality. Seriously, the ratio to those happy to those unhappy is so heavily in favor of the happy that I am almost ready to call it a no brainer. Even some of the most vocal critics of the change have come out and said its breathtaking.

I am not prepared to say you will find it perfect, but I am ready to say that you should buy it. I can almost promise you won't be disappointed if you just sit down and watch the film and let it suck you and not get caught in trying to compare pure whites.

[42041]

Originally Posted by flodsby

Hi all I know this is off-topic, but I use a PS3 and it has the settings like super white and rgb full range and deep color output. I think my tv will use these settings but is it worth it? I tried looking thru the forums for an answer but couldn't find one. Any help would be appreciated.

Deep color - doesn't matter, I think. Blu-rays have 8-bit color.
Super white - doesn't hurt. Doesn't seem to change anything on my display.
RGB range should be probably be set to limited, unless your TV/monitor uses PC levels. If levels don't match you'll either get weak contrast or crushed blacks/clipped whites. It's probably better to output YCbCr composite video to your TV and let it do the RGB conversion.

[Riches]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Sure, it would be more convenient to only have one disc. But I would much rather they went to second disc if it means a higher quality transfer.

And I actually liked the packaging, I thought they did a very good job on it. The DVD EE is nice, but I prefer the black blu-ray cases over the folding case for the DVD version. Plus, I think the exterior case is excellent. The cardboard is very durable, the magnet (to keep to closed) is embedded in the cover and therefore not obvious, and the map on the inside of the cover is a good touch. Nevermind the design on the case was done well, reminds me very much like a tome (which I am sure was the intent). I think a very good job all around.

I like the packaging but prefer the DVD ones, I think. I'll probably transfer my BRDs into the old cases and keep the new cases as a 'back-up'. :-)

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Riches

As for 'unskippable' previews, I can chapter forward for sure (so, yes, I can 'skip' them). I would just prefer if they put them as an 'extra' on the menu or something if they really NEED to include them.

I can deal with previews at the beginning of regular library titles and rental discs, but expensive boxed sets and such should be free from this nonsense.

Maybe a sternly worded letter to Alliance? I'll be polite, after all, I am Canadian :-)

Actually, maybe I'll write PJ and see what he thinks about it... :-)

I didn't mind the previews; I received a phone call when I first put the film in, so it gave me time to finish my conversation. Three Musketeers looked kinda sweet, as I've been interested in the film since it's been announced. Nice to see a new adaptaton. Also, "skip" is your friend, and it's only the first discs. Ads are a pain, but sometimes I like seeing new previews. These ones looked halfways interesting, at least the epic/period piece onces.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Watching now. Blue skies. White snow. Beautiful colors all around. Love it.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Nope, they didn't indiscriminately slather the film with a green brush. Anyone expecting that can put their fears to bed. They simply added a slight, intentional, arguably imperceptible tint to the whole of the film

Thanks for clearing this up for those that haven't yet seen it, many are still misquoting you.