The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[RudyC]

Originally Posted by HeKS

That's a pretty decent idea. Then the people in the subjective thread could say, "I don't see any tint; everything is amazing," and the people in the objective thread could say, "the tint seems to have been achieved like this and affects the colors to this degree."

HeKS

your in the wrong forum...go to AVS forum for technical stuff.

[cgm13]

Originally Posted by gridbug

Yes. Got two "Part One" discs for Fellowship from Best Buy (preorder). Going back today to switch it out for another set. Curious to know if this happened to anyone else too...

I had to return my set to Best Buy because I ended up with two "The Appendices: Part Four" discs and was missing the "Behind the Scenes" disc in "The Two Towers" case.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Nobody told me that this film would suck me......in that case, I am just going to say this is the best blu release to date and one of the best bargains I have ever experienced. In light of this new info, the green issue is not even a thought to me at this point........Leaving work now to get my copy...............

Not sure how my gf will react to this though!

Glad you are buying a copy. I am pretty sure you won't be disappointed.

When you see the discs I am quite confident that you will see that this was much ado about nothing.

[Alaskankaijudude]

The whole "green thing" reminds me that I always thought (even before the new discs) that Theodens goatee looked a little green. It does look a little greener now on the new discs but not a huge deal to me.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Ironically, I think it's comments like these that prevent the debate from going away and incite more bickering. It is irrefutable that the green tint is there. Whether you notice it or it bothers you is a different matter all together. As has been stated numerous times throughout this thread, a green tint wouldn't make everything appear green, but simply affect all the hues presently in the film.

Exactly, on all counts.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

ironically, i think it's comments like these that prevent the debate from going away and incite more bickering. It is irrefutable that the green tint is there. Whether you notice it or it bothers you is a different matter all together. as has been stated numerous times throughout this thread, a green tint wouldn't make everything appear green, but simply affect all the hues presently in the film.

Exactly !

[WhySoCereal]

I got this at blockbuster for the one day price of 59.99 (regular 69.99 there) and I got the replica ring. The ring is actually really cool and comes in a nice box with a certificate of authenticity. I'll definitely be wearing it as I journey through these wonderful movies again

Not exactly sure when I'll actually be watching the movies since I saw a marathon viewing of the Theatrical versions in theaters last March and don't exactly have an itching to watch these at the moment. I will however be watching ALL the special features again as it's been about 5 years since I've seen them.

Oh and as for the FOTR tint issue, I popped in the disc to check it out and yeah....it's noticable. But it doesn't bother me at all. It's a change that happened, and that's the end of it. I'm going to let it be and not compare, compare, compare. This is the version of FOTR that I will have until they release yet another video format, so I'm just going to shut up and enjoy it.

ps. Oh and I just noticed that after buying the set my collection hit 250 movies. Couldn't have picked a more worthy series to do it

[CF FilmFan]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

There's a nice comparison on YouTube...man....the highdefdigest review
is spot on with the following quote:




YouTube - ‪★LOTR - (Blu-ray) Theatrical vs Extended (Comparison)★‬‏

This post is interesting...I can certainly see major changes in the appearance of the film, at least from those two scenes

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Alaskankaijudude

The whole "green thing" reminds me that I always thought (even before the new discs) that Theodens goatee looked a little green. It does look a little greener now on the new discs but not a huge deal to me.

I didn't think the color timing was changed in TTT

[bam777]

My LOTR set still hasn't even shipped yet. Amazon is really starting to piss me off!!!!!

[gstriftos]

I am confused..
The green/cyan tint issue is a result of applying exceeding green values or becomes visible because they tampered with the red levels?
Some RGB values that I've come across here and on avs make me think of the latter one..
Feels like someone said:
''Yieks,film was too reddish,let's take some off.''

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by RudyC

your in the wrong forum...go to AVS forum for technical stuff.

My primary point was merely that those who want to make subjective statements that contravene objective facts could continue to do so without constantly being corrected, while people making objective statements could continue to do so without being insulted.

Take care,
HeKS

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

For someone to be bothered by the color grading of FOTR, they would have to viewing the image hyper-critically, looking for flaws, and not simply watching the film and enjoying what is a high-quality presentation.

Ah, but therein lies the rub. If it weren't for hyper-critical viewing, edge enhancement halos, DNR smearing and compression artifacts would be standard issue with many more HD transfers. While I can understand why the thought of someone hyper-critically viewing a film might bother a few people, and while I can understand why some are so angry about some of the misleading expectations that were inadvertantly set in regards to FOTR's green tint, keep in mind that hyper-critical viewing is a vital process in keeping quality standards in check. Hyper-critical viewing has led to numerous audio and video fixes, as well as an increase in the quality of AV presentations across the board.

Again, I understand why it might be such an annoyance. Believe me, I'd love to go back to those innocent days before I became the reviewer I am today; before I could spot DNR, ringing, crush, compression issues, tints, audio hiccups, banding and the like. My first review of Patton at HDD in 2008 was glowing. A trial by fire and an introduction to the evils of DNR. Now, I can spot DNR from a mile away.

However, casual consumers... yes, I realize this next statement is going to be a wee bit self-serving... casual consumers should be grateful that there are those who put so much time and effort into verifying the studios releases are up to snuff. These people do so even while being chastised at every turn as radicals, malcontents and unpleasable filmfans. But Blu-ray quality is where it is because of those who have refused to overlook small issues in an otherwise high-quality presentation.

If it weren't for hyper-critical viewing, I suspect LOTR EE would feature the similar DNR as the TE release. Only hyper-critical viewers raised concerns about the DNR in FOTR; and it was these thankless hyper-criticals who should probably be thanked for the complete 2K remaster and noticeably increased detail in the current EE you are enjoying

Again, self-serving, I know. But a lot of people tarred and feathered me when I insisted FOTR TE had DNR, and not one of them have sent me a PM to say, "Hm. After seeing the increased detail in FOTR EE, I can see how you really hit the nail on the head when it came to the DNR in the TE." That DNR is suddenly, and unequivocally, accepted as indisputable fact. To be 100% clear: I am not suggesting we will experience similar events to unfold in this case. Please don't misunderstand. I'm just suggesting that the hyper-criticals are often dismissed, yet continue to keep a vigilant watch while others are content to simply enjoy the films they have the luxury of watching without those accursed hyper-critical eyes

Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. In this case, they identified a measurable but slight green tint and influenced a major motion picture studio and a filmmaker to spend two weeks ensuring it was indeed intentional. It's intentional and confirmed. But that confirmation has only been afforded to us because concerns were raised in the first place. Be happy we have an official statement. Be happy you have a great looking transfer. Be happy you don't notice the tint. Above all, though, be happy there are people -- annoying as they may seem to some of you at times -- who are willing to invest their all in ensuring everyone has the highest quality product possible!

Ahem. Sorry for the soapbox

Originally Posted by RudyC

your in the wrong forum...go to AVS forum for technical stuff.

Nah, there's room for everyone at Blu-ray.com!

Come on, gents. Play nice!

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Alaskankaijudude

The whole "green thing" reminds me that I always thought (even before the new discs) that Theodens goatee looked a little green. It does look a little greener now on the new discs but not a huge deal to me.

Theoden's beard isn't affected by the green tint, since the tint is only on FOTR, but perhaps you weren't suggesting otherwise and merely meant that it happens to seem greener to you in the new release, even when the green tint isn't at play.

[RudyC]

Originally Posted by HeKS

My primary point was merely that those who want to make subjective statements that contravene objective facts could continue to do so without constantly being corrected, while people making objective statements could continue to do so without being insulted.

Take care,
HeKS

im trying to tell you your in the minority here...where as in avs you can go much deeper.

at least it used to be..havent been there in a while. :P

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Ah, but therein lies the rub. If it weren't for hyper-critical viewing, edge enhancement halos, DNR smearing and compression artifacts would be standard issue with many more HD transfers.

Bingo...

If it weren't for critical views such as Ken's, Bill Hunt's, or Robert Harris's, then we wouldn't have the fixed copies of Gladiator and Gangs of New York, two discs that I initially bought and found no fault with, until I got the corrected copies and had my eyes opened. LEAGUES ahead of their previous releases, hands down.

[Alaskankaijudude]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Theoden's beard isn't affected by the green tint, since the tint is only on FOTR, but perhaps you weren't suggesting otherwise and merely meant that it happens to seem greener to you in the new release, even when the green tint isn't at play.

You're right, shoulda clarified and I gotta say I do see some very similar greenish in TT and ROTK too in some scenes. That with just some quick scanning of all six discs last night. Probably there all along and again not a big deal to me. The one scene that comes to mind right away is at Isengard when they are all in the water by Orthanc when Saruman is about to die...

[gstriftos]

Oh,something else too.
According to WB this edition is how the film was intended to be,right?
So all these years,all these editions,I have bought something that was wrong?
Damn you WB I want my money back.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by gstriftos

I am confused..
The green/cyan tint issue is a result of applying exceeding green values or becomes visible because they tampered with the red levels?
Some RGB values that I've come across here and on avs make me think of the latter one..
Feels like someone said:
''Yieks,film was too reddish,let's take some off.''

It seems like what happened is that a solid layer of a certain green color was placed in a track above the film, set to "Multiply" mode, and then had it's opacity set to around 60-65%. It's possible that this is not exactly what happened, but doing this seems to achieve essentially the same look, as per this photoshop work-up...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3438608...n/photostream/

The method I've described would seem to be the most expedient way of achieving the end-result, because simply applying a color adjustment layer and cranking up the green or reducing the red or something like that doesn't achieve the same result.

EDIT: Just to be clear, the effect is nowhere near this noticeable through most of the film. It would be inaccurate to say it's not this intense throughout the film, because the intensity seems to be consistent, but the perceptibility of the tint's interaction with other colors is usually significantly less than what this screencap might suggest, even though it is accurate.

Take care,
HeKS

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by gstriftos

Oh,something else too.
According to WB this edition is how the film was intended to be,right?
So all these years,all these editions,I have bought something that was wrong?
Damn you WB I want my money back.

Well how many editions have you bought?

I only owned the EEs of the dvds.

Were you one of those who bought the theatricals, the EEs, then the UEs?