The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

There is no harm whatsoever, and I too would be interested to find out more! But I think Duggie refers to those that insist it MUST be a MISTAKE and that there is no way on middle or our earth one could want the colour to manupulated slightly towards green. That doesn't mean the picture is actually green, if anything it only subdues/tempers certain tones...

Sorry for the next few replies, I can't multi-quote for some reason, so I'll have to do this one by one

anyway...

I can only answer for myself and say I don't insist its a mistake, my only concern is it kinda goes against how PJ has done things before, so I'd be interested to hear what his reasoning was. I'm certainly not going to email WB demanding a repressing etc, just would like a bit more info to help me understand the reasoning

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by lemonski

In light of the statement from WB, I'm not surprised PJ hasn't answered your question - asking if it would have been better without it calls into question his artistic choices and Lesnie's technical competence. Coming from an Internet forum, this is exactly what duggie meant by the "lunatic fringe" (please be clear that I am not referring to you specifically)

I can't call into question his artistic choices without knowing what they were! Hence the simple question? Believe me, I'm not losing sleep over this crying into my pillow 'WHY PJ WHY!!!' but I'd be interested to know what the reason was to help me understand a change I'm not exactly thrilled about - nothing more
Is it really lunatic to ask for more understanding or a quick explanation for something? I'm in no hurry for a reply!

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Sorry for the next few replies, I can't multi-quote for some reason, so I'll have to do this one by one

anyway...

I can only answer for myself and say I don't insist its a mistake, my only concern is it kinda goes against how PJ has done things before, so I'd be interested to hear what his reasoning was. I'm certainly not going to email WB demanding a repressing etc, just would like a bit more info to help me understand the reasoning

I agree, and I think ALL of us would be interested to know the answer to his latest manipulation.

[NYorker]

A few observations, if I may:
1) there is green tint in the films - without question. To some it's a major distraction, to others it isn't. Haven't seen it myself - am willing to wait for the price to go down a bit.

2) I personally haven't gotten a satisfactory reply about why it happen - intentional or not. It appears now to be intentional, but no explanation has been given by someone who was actually close to the film itself. The WB statement is PR BS.

3) Somewhere down the line, there will probably be another LOTR release. Whether a 3D version (I read somewhere a while ago that PJ was experimenting with LOTR 3D footage) or as part as an "ultimate" Hobbit+LOTR release. If such an edition does come out, IMHO they will have to leave the film as is - otherwise it will be fully admitting there was a glitch in this release...

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Bill Clinton once said," the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". Asking the same question on this forum over and over is just as insane. Until there is an official statement the tint/color change is a take it or leave it scenario. Not much more to discuss in that respect to this release. That's why moving on seems relevant.

you hit the nail on the head sir! let's all move to the star wars thread cause they are already losing their minds and no one has even seen the discs yet.
FOTR looks how PJ wants it to look story over.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Please could you point me to the answer of the question 'Why was the green tint added?'
I've not seen this answered anywhere yet

Thanks

Why? Because that's how PJ wanted it to look.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by NYorker

3) Somewhere down the line, there will probably be another LOTR release. Whether a 3D version (I read somewhere a while ago that PJ was experimenting with LOTR 3D footage) or as part as an "ultimate" Hobbit+LOTR release. If such an edition does come out, IMHO they will have to leave the film as is - otherwise it will be fully admitting there was a glitch in this release...

Good point. If they re-release these, which history says they will - if the color timing is changed at all from the current EE, thats the proof that there was an issue. Or it proves that PJ wasnt 100% satidfied with the result of the first run of EE discs.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Bill Clinton once said," the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". Asking the same question on this forum over and over is just as insane. Until there is an official statement the tint/color change is a take it or leave it scenario. Not much more to discuss in that respect to this release. That's why moving on seems relevant.

I had to comment on the Bill Clinton quote.... Wonderful choice!

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

I think you're opinion would count more if you had seen it, from the above it sounds as though you have yet to watch it?

Nope - haven't seen this yet -haha
I'm sure that is game set and match for some of you
But my questions are the same as those who HAVE seen it, such as Mr Ken Brown himself and others who have posted recently
Are you saying that if i watched it, I probably wouldn't notice the tint? If so you are probably right.
I'm almost 100% sure if i got these and watched FOTR I would be raving about how much better than the TE BD's it is
That is not my point though, and to make my point, my having seen these is entirely irrelevant as the tint is still there regardless of if I have seen these myself or not.
My questions stand.

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Good point. If they re-release these, which history says they will - if the color timing is changed at all from the current EE, thats the proof that there was an issue. Or it proves that PJ wasnt 100% satidfied with the result of the first run of EE discs.

more likely the latter - believe it or not, I do think what was done was most likely intentional. But if a future release was different, then maybe PJ would change his mind again about what it needs to look like.
If someone makes a change once, its hard not to do it again if better tech comes along.
A friend of mine writes Drum n'bass tunes and he has a hell of a time leaving a tune alone. he constantly tinkers with a song and makes changes and then thinks a revision twenty times ago sounded better.

I partly think that the ease at which films CAN be changed now since their original release can easily introduce more problems than it fixes, but thats another discussion.
Can anyone remember the first film that had a different release done after the fact? Was it T2?

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Nope - haven't seen this yet -haha
I'm sure that is game set and match for some of you
But my questions are the same as those who HAVE seen it, such as Mr Ken Brown himself and others who have posted recently
Are you saying that if i watched it, I probably wouldn't notice the tint? If so you are probably right.
I'm almost 100% sure if i got these and watched FOTR I would be raving about how much better than the TE BD's it is
That is not my point though, and to make my point, my having seen these is entirely irrelevant as the tint is still there regardless of if I have seen these myself or not.
My questions stand.

You're right to ask the question before you buy. I think the thread will quell most peoples fears about the Picture Quality though. It is of course, first class. You will likely still have the question after you've watched but it will likely be of far less concern as you realise that artistically it looks, to all intents and purposes, better than ever.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

haha - good quote

I'm only asking the same thing again and again because my reasonings for the question are being questioned again and again - believe me, I'm getting finger-tiredness from typing all this stuff!
I'm just after a bit more info thats all. I haven't got any issues with anyone who loves this as is - I'm happy you are happy - so can't those who have issues with my questions let me ask them without being told I'm wrong/flogging a horse/insane

There's nothing wrong with asking the question at all.

I believe we have two different camps here on the thread. The ones who don't own the release yet and are concerned about the color issue. The ones who do own this release, like myself, and now know there is no issue. Neither side will yield to the other. The only action to take at this point is to either get the set and see for yourself or borrow/rent it from someone. The transfer for TFOTR EE is stunning and I feel better than the transfer from the TE. Those who have seen it echo that sentiment. But, you don't have to believe me or them, trust your own eyes, not screen grabs, and see this for yourself. You'll look back on this whole debate and say WTF was I worried about.

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

You're right to ask the question before you buy. I think the thread will quell most peoples fears about the Picture Quality though. It is of course, first class. You will likely still have the question after you've watched but it will likely be of far less concern as you realise that artistically it looks, to all intents and purposes, better than ever.

I honestly am sure it looks amazing - I am 100% going to buying it eventually anyway - have no doubt about that (no funds currently) but I'd just like to know what the intention was thats all.
I'm certainly not in the 'I'll not be getting this as its ruined for me by those screenshots' camp
But I'd still like to know why such a relatively strange blanket tint was done - EVEN IF I hardly notice it when i watch it

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

True - he may never answer the question, but are you honestly saying no-one is allowed to ask why someone does something?

Not at all, you're free to ask. But you don't have a right to an answer. And if the question could be construed as faintly insulting, or ridiculous, or plain dumb (again, not saying this is the case here)...it can reflect badly on the fan community

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

I'm not standing outside his office with placards DEMANDING an answer?
But as a massive fan of these films, and of PJ's work as a whole, the blanket tint does not sit well with me as to what he has previously done, so a simple question I don't feel is too attacking?
It obviously does not matter to you, but does that mean that for those it does matter to have to be shouted down for asking it?
I am in total agreement with you that the way things have gone it would be very unlikely the discs will be changed, so that if anything means my question is more relevant as we have been given a change with no choice to one of our favourite films. For those who are unsure of wether this change was to their liking, is it so wrong to ask why?

It could be...if your question could be seen as criticism.

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Or are we giving all directors, DOP's etc carte blanche to change their work as they feel fit without even a quick explanation of why?

They already do have carte blanche, and they should ALWAYS have the right to change it as they see fit without explanation. It's their work, not yours.

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

I'm truly surprised at the level of distaste being shown to those asking very simple questions in a calm and rational manner - a shame

There's no distaste on my part...simply puzzlement that so much time is being wasted asking futile questions. If you're lucky you'll get an answer...but there's no need to make post after post asking the same question 50 different ways. How you spend your time is up to you, but my advice would be to use it more fruitfully on something else.

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by Troy73

There's nothing wrong with asking the question at all.

I believe we have two different camps here on the thread. The ones who don't own the release yet and are concerned about the color issue. The ones who do own this release, like myself, and now know there is no issue. Neither side will yield to the other. The only action to take at this point is to either get the set and see for yourself or borrow/rent it from someone. The transfer for TFOTR EE is stunning and I feel better than the transfer from the TE. Those who have seen it echo that sentiment. But, you don't have to believe me or them, trust your own eyes, not screen grabs, and see this for yourself. You'll look back on this whole debate and say WTF was I worried about.

Maybe I am in an odd third camp then
I don't doubt I'll be happy with what I'll see when i eventually buy this set (which I will) But I am still a bit concerned about the tint, even if when it forms part of the film I'll hardly notice it. Even a fair few of those who have said its great and miles better than the TE's still mention some scenes are not as they had hoped BECAUSE of the tint and contrast changes. So my only worry is it could have been even better than it is (and it is only a minor worry) and that mild worry would dissapate completely if PJ or Mr L would tell us what they were going for with the tint/contrast change. I'd have some context then

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by lemonski

They already do have carte blanche, and they should ALWAYS have the right to change it as they see fit without explanation. It's their work, not yours.

I'll have to agree to disagree with you on that one - my personal belief is once a film wins accolades and public support and becomes a classic, then the original version should always be available. Hence being happy with the changes with ET as original version was still available, and same with the recent version of the Exorcist, as both were treated well.
But situations like the change in ratio of Mr Vittorio's work from 2.39:1 to 2:1 I feel is too far as these films won plaudits for their look and feel and those versions should be kept as is. If any director wants to change their classics, let them do so as long as the original versions are still available too.
But I understand this is a hot topic with wildly differing opinions too

Originally Posted by lemonski

There's no distaste on my part...simply puzzlement that so much time is being wasted asking futile questions. If you're lucky you'll get an answer...but there's no need to make post after post asking the same question 50 different ways. How you spend your time is up to you, but my advice would be to use it more fruitfully on something else.

as i mentioned before, I am only responding time and time again to the people making their points time and time again
I am someone who believes in things strongly and loves a good debate. I have no issue with anyone thinking differently to me as long as they also respect my right to my own different opinion

[Jason520C]

So I hear this is $60 at Walmart until today...makes me wonder if I should buy it.

I love these movies, but honestly I have never sat down and watched the whole thing since they all went to DVD for the first time after leaving the theatres, so I haven't even seen the extended editions.

This seems like a really good deal, but I'm wondering if I should just wait for individual releases. I mean, they are inevitable, right? The theatrical editions got individual blu-ray releases...To me, all of the special features on the set don't matter much to me at all and I never plan on watching them. The thing is, $60 comes to $20 per movie, which isn't terrible. I can definitely see the individuals being around $15 on somewhere like Amazon, and since I don't really care about special features, this can also give a lot more room for my blu-ray collection. But the packaging IS really nice...

I don't know, what's the best thing to do here? Is there any hope of individual releases or am I just hoping for something that'll never come?

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by xphoenix23

I want to pick this up since I never seen this but $69.99 is a lot for 3 movie and a bunch of extras I will never watch.Only reason I want this version is for the pq.

If you've never seen the movies, just pick up the theatrical versions, they go for anywhere from $15-30

The PQ will be very good, plus you won't have to sit through 4 hours a movie right off the bat. If you like them, then pick up the Extended Edition later after a price drop.

Sooner or later you will be able to pick up both the TE and EE for a total of $60 or so, maybe even less.

Originally Posted by Jason520C

So I hear this is $60 at Walmart until today...makes me wonder if I should buy it.

I love these movies, but honestly I have never sat down and watched the whole thing since they all went to DVD for the first time after leaving the theatres, so I haven't even seen the extended editions.

This seems like a really good deal, but I'm wondering if I should just wait for individual releases. I mean, they are inevitable, right? The theatrical editions got individual blu-ray releases...To me, all of the special features on the set don't matter much to me at all and I never plan on watching them. The thing is, $60 comes to $20 per movie, which isn't terrible. I can definitely see the individuals being around $15 on somewhere like Amazon, and since I don't really care about special features, this can also give a lot more room for my blu-ray collection. But the packaging IS really nice...

I don't know, what's the best thing to do here? Is there any hope of individual releases or am I just hoping for something that'll never come?

$20 a movie is pretty good when you break it down, considering most releases don't come within a quarter of the extras that each film in this set has. The individual releases likely won't come with 5 discs, it wouldn't surprise me if they squeezed the movie onto 1 disc and removed some commentary tracks, maybe one disc of extras, but thats all just speculation.

I can't see the individual releases going for less than $20 each any time soon, maybe the occasional week or two at $15, but not very often.

All in all, if you get the individuals, you'd be paying very close to $60. Perhaps by the time you get all 3, the set will be going for less than $50, who knows?

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Thoughts?

Very well put sir. I especially like the part where you said "If a shortcut key had been set up to access the feature it could be even easier." I had never thought about it that way, specially since you said you did it in 2 clicks. I like how close your re-broken came to the retail version. and WOW how differant your version is. It would be something if that is how it is supposed to be.

Good post.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

I'll have to agree to disagree with you on that one - my personal belief is once a film wins accolades and public support and becomes a classic, then the original version should always be available. Hence being happy with the changes with ET as original version was still available, and same with the recent version of the Exorcist, as both were treated well.
But situations like the change in ratio of Mr Vittorio's work from 2.35:1 to 2:1 I feel is too far as these films won plaudits for their look and feel and those versions should be kept as is. If any director wants to change their classics, let them do so as long as the original versions are still available too.
But I understand this is a hot topic with wildly differing opinions too

I'm not saying I like it...I'm just defending their right to do it. Sometimes you get a Directors Cut better than the original, sometimes you get walkie-talkies, and sometimes you get Star Wars.

And you can't really force anyone to offer the original...often the only way to get it is on an inferior or defunct format. For example, I'm not really a big fan of the restored The Good, The Bad and the Ugly - the only format I can watch the original is on DVD. If you don't like the FOTR green tint, there's always the DVD set. Sometimes it sucks and there's nothing you can do about it.

/off topic