The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[rocinante]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Im sorry to read that. If you are really bothered you can probably put the EE set on ebay and make back some of your money to rebuy the theatricals.

Maybe you can share your home theater setup and someone like Ken Brown can provide advice for alternate calibration that could make it more visually pleasing.

I didnt buy the EE's. Im borrowing it from my buddy who got called away on a business trip. Im just pissed I got rid of the other ones. I preordered on amazon then cancelled it when I started getting word that there was issues with it.

I only got screwed in the sense that I now have to rebuy the versions I just sold, so Im losing some money there, not too much though. Im going to watch TT and RotK over the long weekend so Ill see how that goes, but I was not happy with FotR.

[BriTx]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

This post got buried quickly, likely due to the words "green tint" not being present. But can anyone shed some light on the above?

I have 8 LEDs on my AVR - or 9 if you include the LFE LED. I hope the following formatting survives:

FL.....C.....FR
L..............R
SL....SC....SR
.......LFE.......

FL/FR = Front left / right
L/R = left / right
SL/SC/SR = Surround left / right / center
LFE = Low frequency effects

When I watch a 7.1 movie, I see the following LEDs illuminated:

FL.....C.....FR
L..............R
SL...........SR
.......LFE.......

When I watch LOTR (or any other 6.1 movie), I see the following:

FL.....C.....FR
L..............R
.......SC.......
.......LFE.......

I have a Pioneer SC-25 - it looks like it works the same as your AVR.

[Mr. Cinema]

Originally Posted by BriTx

I have 8 LEDs on my AVR - or 9 if you include the LFE LED. I hope the following formatting survives:

FL.....C.....FR
L..............R
SL....SC....SR
.......LFE.......

FL/FR = Front left / right
L/R = left / right
SL/SC/SR = Surround left / right / center
LFE = Low frequency effects

When I watch a 7.1 movie, I see the following LEDs illuminated:

FL.....C.....FR
L..............R
SL...........SR
.......LFE.......

When I watch LOTR (or any other 6.1 movie), I see the following:

FL.....C.....FR
L..............R
.......SC.......
.......LFE.......

I have a Pioneer SC-25 - it looks like it works the same as your AVR.

Pretty close to that. At the bottom, I have SBL and SBR boxes. In between those, SB lights up. But the SBL and SBR boxes are empty.

What I can't figure out is why do 5.1 mixes light up everything, but 6.1 doesn't. I'm far from an audiophile.

[Mr. Cinema]

Originally Posted by shamus

what reciever are you using? Some you have to switch it to dolby iix and it will remember after that. Youve likely never played a Dts master 6.1 yet?

It's the Sony 820 in my sig. Every 5.1 mix lights up all speakers, but this is the first time I've noticed the surround back speakers aren't lit up on the screen. I'm not sure if I have any other 6.1 mixes. I assume the 6.1 mixes of Terminator 2 and X-3 will display the same. I will try those out tonight just to make sure.

[can man]

Originally Posted by rocinante

Only watched fellowship so far. I can see the same exact problems with it that everyone here is mentioning, that dont exist in the theatrical versions which I f-ing sold prior to preorder this.

Ehh, what "problems"?

[shamus]

If your receivers have the option of applying dolby IIX to a Dts master signal you can get 7.1 if you want. Mr Cinema, try cycling the AFD button on your remote. If that doesnt work, look in the manual under enhanced surround and set it there.

[shamus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

It's the Sony 820 in my sig. Every 5.1 mix lights up all speakers, but this is the first time I've noticed the surround back speakers aren't lit up on the screen. I'm not sure if I have any other 6.1 mixes. I assume the 6.1 mixes of Terminator 2 and X-3 will display the same. I will try those out tonight just to make sure.

Some recievers remember what you have set for a particular sound codec. By default its just playing what the original intent is. see my post above on how to fix.

[Mr. Cinema]

Originally Posted by shamus

If your receivers have the option of applying dolby IIX to a Dts master signal you can get 7.1 if you want. Mr Cinema, try cycling the AFD button on your remote. If that doesnt work, look in the manual under enhanced surround and set it there.

I may just leave it as is. Not too big of a deal. But, why do 5.1 mixes light up all the speakers, but 6.1 doesn't? That's the part that's bugging me.

[Mr. Cinema]

Originally Posted by shamus

Some recievers remember what you have set for a particular sound codec. By default its just playing what the original intent is. see my post above on how to fix.

For 5.1, maybe it's possible I had the DIIx option applied? I'll check and see if that lights up during 5.1 mixes. That may explain why all the speakers are lit up. I'll do the same for 6.1.

[Maggot]

Ok, I was one of the more vocal members of the side that doesn't like the change. I haven't got through the firt disc of Fellowship yet, but here is what I notice about this presentation:

1. Packaging: top notch, this is a very slick looking set. The black cases add an element of class to the excellent case cover art.

2. The green tint is there, but it's a mixed bag as to that, but most of the movie looks ok. It's very apparent they have tried give Fellowship the same sort of "look" as the next two films in the series. What I would call a storybook gothic look. I have thoughts:

a. Rivendale has really changed. The orange/red push, which was over the top before to begin with, is now gone and replaced with the new color timing, which unfortunately does a poor job of conveying Rivendale as a place of warmth and safety.

b. as mentioned by someone before, the scene where they hide under the tree to aviod being noticed by the ring wraith looks far, far better now with the new timing.

c. The breakfast scene in the green snow whose screenshot has been all over, looks like it does.....like crap.

d. as mentioned, the detail here is vastly superior to the TE Blu-ray.

There are numerous other plus and minus examples, but in general I am finding this to be an excellent presentation. The pluses outweight the minuses, but I still consider this overall color change as somewhat of a hack job. There are scenes that just don't jive with the new timing, but again, they are thankfully few so far.

[Forklift]

I just watched FotR last night and it looks fantastic. I noticed some slight differences from the theatrical version, but both look great. My wife didn't detect any difference whatsoever.

I feel badly for those who feel the tint ruins the film; in my opinion, the variation between the extended and theatrical editions is so minimal that it does not measurably alter the film.

[Red Pill 101]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

For 5.1, maybe it's possible I had the DIIx option applied? I'll check and see if that lights up during 5.1 mixes. That may explain why all the speakers are lit up. I'll do the same for 6.1.

What sound field/effect are you using if any? I always keep mine set to "Cstex B" or whatever it's called--it's just what I prefer. I haven't checked the speaker lights on my receiver, but when it decodes DTS-MA 3/3.1 scrolls across my receiver screen as it should. A.F.D. should do the trick too. I'm not positive, but I think my Terminator 2 disc decodes as 5.1 (maybe matrixed) but I'm not sure. LotR decoded alright, though.

I'm very familiar with Sony receivers so if I can be of further help, let me know.

[rocinante]

Originally Posted by can man

Ehh, what "problems"?

Im guessing you havent read the review. They say in the review the changes were intentional, but I loved how it looked before, not how it looks now, so why tinker with something everyone already loved?

Greenish tint which some say you cant notice, but I dont believe that. I didnt have any problems noticing even though I havent watched the theatrical BDs in months. I have a feeling there's a lot of people acting like its not a big deal because they just spent $70+ on this, or they really dont mind when great movies are messed with for no good reason. Some scenes very dark, darker than they're supposed to be as well, or darker than they were and how I liked them.

I was noticing these things and they arent there in the theatrical versions, so obviously Ill never get it out of my head that they look better in the original versions.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

Pretty close to that. At the bottom, I have SBL and SBR boxes. In between those, SB lights up. But the SBL and SBR boxes are empty.

What I can't figure out is why do 5.1 mixes light up everything, but 6.1 doesn't. I'm far from an audiophile.

The reason is the the audio mix is of the 6.1 matrixed variety,which is pretty much like the one found on the theatrical versions.

If you check out the on screen information display on your blu-ray player it will list the soundtrack as 5.1,as the extra channel is being created using the two surround channels.

So in a nutshell it's not realy a 6.1 soundtrack,although it you use a Ps3 it will list the audio track as 6.1 on the Ps3's on screen information display.

But as I said before it's not a true 6.1 discrete mix,but to be fair the movies were encoded in the Dolby digital surround ex format for theaters,which is in effect is a 5.1 mix that uses the rear surround channels to create the 6.1 mix.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Maggot

Ok, I was one of the more vocal members of the side that doesn't like the change. I haven't got through the firt disc of Fellowship yet, but here is what I notice about this presentation:

1. Packaging: top notch, this is a very slick looking set. The black cases add an element of class to the excellent case cover art.

2. The green tint is there, but it's a mixed bag as to that, but most of the movie looks ok. It's very apparent they have tried give Fellowship the same sort of "look" as the next two films in the series. What I would call a storybook gothic look. I have thoughts:

a. Rivendale has really changed. The orange/red push, which was over the top before to begin with, is now gone and replaced with the new color timing, which unfortunately does a poor job of conveying Rivendale as a place of warmth and safety.

b. as mentioned by someone before, the scene where they hide under the tree to aviod being noticed by the ring wraith looks far, far better now with the new timing.

c. The breakfast scene in the green snow whose screenshot has been all over, looks like it does.....like crap.

d. as mentioned, the detail here is vastly superior to the TE Blu-ray.

There are numerous other plus and minus examples, but in general I am finding this to be an excellent presentation. The pluses outweight the minuses, but I still consider this overall color change as somewhat of a hack job. There are scenes that just don't jive with the new timing, but again, they are thankfully few so far.

Excellent post.
I personally thing it looks great the whole way through, but I am not everyone.

Its always good to get an honest opinion. Honesty is all we ask for.

[shamus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

For 5.1, maybe it's possible I had the DIIx option applied? I'll check and see if that lights up during 5.1 mixes. That may explain why all the speakers are lit up. I'll do the same for 6.1.

on my denon, i had to make that setting for each dolby and dts 5.1,6.1,7.1 etc. after that i didnt have to touch it. Its likely the same with yours.

[jonmoz]

On a related note if you use your receivers Thx mode this will push the 5.1 sound through all your speakers,so even a 5.1 mix can become a matrixed 6.1 or 7.1 soundtrack.

Yor reciever is then using sound from the surround left and right channels to create a 6.1 or 7.1 mix,but even though you will have sound coming through all of your speakers your receivers display will still only show 5.1 channels.

[PlisskenReplicant]

the only problem i see is people thinking the color timing is more important than the movie itself. i mean, if you like the theatrical version better, im happy for you and you should get this copy. they are wonderfull as well.

to be honest, i dislike a bit the green hue, but for me, i still preffer the extended editions. the theatrical would not give me the details and the scenes i love , and there is lots of them.and watching them in hd on a 106'' screen kicked my ass. return of the king still to watch, tonight.excellent blurays.

i cant tell of the picture quality compared to the theatrical blurays, i havent seen them. to each his own.but the choice of getting the theatrical or the extended should not be based on the color hue but on the pace and the extra scenes of the movies????

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

On a related note if you use your receivers Thx mode this will push the 5.1 sound through all your speakers,so even a 5.1 mix can become a matrixed 6.1 or 7.1 soundtrack.

Yor reciever is then using sound from the surround left and right channels to create a 6.1 or 7.1 mix,but even though you will have sound coming through all of your sprakers your receivers display will still only show 5.1 channels.

I use Pro Logic IIx movie for this. When a 6.1 track is matrixed to 7.1 are you losing any detail? How does it go about doing the 7th channel? I understand how it makes a 5.1 into a 7.1 bug not how it does a 6.1 into a 7.1. Can you shed some light on that for me?

[gstriftos]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

I may just leave it as is. Not too big of a deal. But, why do 5.1 mixes light up all the speakers, but 6.1 doesn't? That's the part that's bugging me.

Probably you have engaged some advanced dolby or dts algorithm so as to enhance 5.1 into 7.1
In the specific case(LOTR) the back surround channel is one instead of two so your amp recognizes it and lits just the SB indication.Normally you will hear sound in both the SBL and the SBR speakers(try the Bilbo's party scene).