The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[rocinante]

Originally Posted by PlisskenReplicant

the only problem i see is people thinking the color timing is more important than the movie itself. i mean, if you like the theatrical version better, im happy for you and you should get this copy. they are wonderfull as well.

to be honest, i dislike a bit the green hue, but for me, i still preffer the extended editions. the theatrical would not give me the details and the scenes i love , and there is lots of them.and watching them in hd on a 106'' screen kicked my ass. return of the king still to watch, tonight.excellent blurays.

i cant tell of the picture quality compared to the theatrical blurays, i havent seen them. to each his own.but the choice of getting the theatrical or the extended should not be based on the color hue but on the pace and the extra scenes of the movies????

The color is an important thing to me. Why? Because ive seen these movies a million times already. If Im going to watch them again, id prefer it to be the best looking version.

If I owned both versions and felt like watching LOTR again, Id probably just go with the theatrical ones because it does actually look better to me. Ive seen the EEs plenty of times, Im not missing much by not seeing scenes Ive seen many times anyway. Id rather skip them than sit there wondering why Im watching a version I dont think looks as good.

If I had never seen LOTR before, even knowing it has an odd tint Id would without a doubt buy the EEs, but thats not the case.

[gstriftos]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I understand how it makes a 5.1 into a 7.1 bug not how it does a 6.1 into a 7.1. Can you shed some light on that for me?

The sixth channel(surround back) is sent to both surround back speakers equally.Like sending a monaural sound to two loudspeakers.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Excellent post.
I personally thing it looks great the whole way through, but I am not everyone.

Its always good to get an honest opinion. Honesty is all we ask for.

Yeah, it is an excellent post... not sure where Rivendale is though... now Rivendell on the other hand...

[can man]

Originally Posted by rocinante

Im guessing you havent read the review. They say in the review the changes were intentional, but I loved how it looked before, not how it looks now, so why tinker with something everyone already loved?

Greenish tint which some say you cant notice, but I dont believe that. I didnt have any problems noticing even though I havent watched the theatrical BDs in months. I have a feeling there's a lot of people acting like its not a big deal because they just spent $70+ on this, or they really dont mind when great movies are messed with for no good reason. Some scenes very dark, darker than they're supposed to be as well, or darker than they were and how I liked them.

I was noticing these things and they arent there in the theatrical versions, so obviously Ill never get it out of my head that they look better in the original versions.

I certainly did read the review. And what you may consider "problems" the director may view as his vision. He already said the EE was not to be considered a "director's cut", but rather a version more in line with the story and the mythical look as presented in the book. By the way, maybe you forgot about the uproar over the TE FOTR and the criticisms leveled at THAT release. Not exactly "something everyone already loved", eh?

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I use Pro Logic IIx movie for this. When a 6.1 track is matrixed to 7.1 are you losing any detail? How does it go about doing the 7th channel? I understand how it makes a 5.1 into a 7.1 bug not how it does a 6.1 into a 7.1. Can you shed some light on that for me?

Pro Logic IIx is a post processing mode just like thx,so letting your receiver send the two surround channels to four speakers instead of two will not result in any loss in clarity,its just a case of personal taste.

As a 6.1 matrixed surround codec is in fact a 5.1 source,so it will use the two surround channels to create the extra two speakers.

If you had a true 6.1 discrete (not matrixed) surround codec,your receivers processing would again use elements from the extra rear surround channel to create the extra speaker.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by MEB

On my set, the green tint was extremely obvious. I did not have to pause the movie to see or notice the green tint. I am 100% confident I would have noticed it even if this controversy never came to light in advance of the release. And, BTW, my wife noticed it too.

On my JVC set, with my eyes, there is an ugly green tint. Period. I am happy for those of you that don't see it. I wish I didn't see it. Really I do.

Even with the green tint, I was able to enjoy the movie. It was my first time seeing the extended edition footage.

And, as I mentioned earlier, the thing that pulled me out of enjoying the movie MORE than the green tint was the excessive darkness of many scenes.

Mark

Fair enough, thanks Mark. I guess some people will be more attuned to it and will find it unsettling! And yes it is darker....But not murky. Perhaps my LED screen helps to keep it brighter?

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by rocinante

It doesnt look like it did when it was firstreleased, and it doesnt look as good. Seems to be the definition of screwed up to me.

It certainly looks different (as intended, we are led to believe), but the rest is entirely subjective.

[EVOLVIST]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

Fair enough, thanks Mark. I guess some people will be more attuned to it and will find it unsettling! And yes it is darker....But not murky. Perhaps my LED screen helps to keep it brighter?

Perhaps it's just a shite television (no offense - but I've had crap TVs).

[CF FilmFan]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Yeah, I have a thought. Burn that onto a Blu-Ray and mail it to me

That last pic looks awesome, with the green color filters lifted.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Thoughts?

HeKs put these screens up that I missed. Just wanted to say that the personally corrected screen is indeed white balanced. As I worked as a cameraman (TV only) for years if I wanted the picture to look 'true' I would strive to acheive this. However, and it's a biggie - this could be applied to any film and you would find just about all of them are coloured away from a 'proper' white balance. It's not a plausible argument to say the latest offering of EE edition is flawed or incorrect. But I'm sure lot's of others have commented on this whilst I have been away from reading this thread!

P.S - it's too bright as well - the green grass colour is lost in the background!

[EVOLVIST]

Originally Posted by CF FilmFan

That last pic looks awesome, with the green color filters lifted.

Yeah, but that's like swapping one highly processed picture for another highly processed picture. And in this case (if going by the still is as good as reference as the person claims), he really, really looks like he's standing in front of a green screen. Oh snap! There's that word again: "green."

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by CF FilmFan

That last pic looks awesome, with the green color filters lifted.

But it's not what the film should look like! Only a minor point to some....

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by EVOLVIST

Perhaps it's just a shite television (no offense - but I've had crap TVs).

I think 'most' people arguing here will likely have very good TV's! But you never know!!!

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Maggot

Ok, I was one of the more vocal members of the side that doesn't like the change. I haven't got through the firt disc of Fellowship yet, but here is what I notice about this presentation:

1. Packaging: top notch, this is a very slick looking set. The black cases add an element of class to the excellent case cover art.

2. The green tint is there, but it's a mixed bag as to that, but most of the movie looks ok. It's very apparent they have tried give Fellowship the same sort of "look" as the next two films in the series. What I would call a storybook gothic look. I have thoughts:

a. Rivendale has really changed. The orange/red push, which was over the top before to begin with, is now gone and replaced with the new color timing, which unfortunately does a poor job of conveying Rivendale as a place of warmth and safety.

b. as mentioned by someone before, the scene where they hide under the tree to aviod being noticed by the ring wraith looks far, far better now with the new timing.

c. The breakfast scene in the green snow whose screenshot has been all over, looks like it does.....like crap.

d. as mentioned, the detail here is vastly superior to the TE Blu-ray.

There are numerous other plus and minus examples, but in general I am finding this to be an excellent presentation. The pluses outweight the minuses, but I still consider this overall color change as somewhat of a hack job. There are scenes that just don't jive with the new timing, but again, they are thankfully few so far.

Thanks for a balanced opinion - I would not argue over your new opinion!

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by ReverendSlim

I was watching The Two Towers last night and the picture kept progressively getting darker and more green... and I was thinking, "What's the big deal about Fellowship? This movie looks that way too! TEH INTERNETS LIE!"

Of course, at the end of disc 1, I saw the white Oppo logo pop up on my screen and realized that the darkness I was seeing was actually because the bulb in my Epson 8500UB was getting ready to blow.

New bulb's on the way from Epson... but for a while there, I was concerned!

Very, very funny! Thanks for sharing that one!!

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

The reason is the the audio mix is of the 6.1 matrixed variety,which is pretty much like the one found on the theatrical versions.

If you check out the on screen information display on your blu-ray player it will list the soundtrack as 5.1,as the extra channel is being created using the two surround channels.

So in a nutshell it's not realy a 6.1 soundtrack,although it you use a Ps3 it will list the audio track as 6.1 on the Ps3's on screen information display.

But as I said before it's not a true 6.1 discrete mix,but to be fair the movies were encoded in the Dolby digital surround ex format for theaters,which is in effect is a 5.1 mix that uses the rear surround channels to create the 6.1 mix.

I thought these were 6.1 discrete?

[radagast]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

HeKs put these screens up that I missed. Just wanted to say that the personally corrected screen is indeed white balanced. As I worked as a cameraman (TV only) for years if I wanted the picture to look 'true' I would strive to acheive this. However, and it's a biggie - this could be applied to any film and you would find just about all of them are coloured away from a 'proper' white balance. It's not a plausible argument to say the latest offering of EE edition is flawed or incorrect. But I'm sure lot's of others have commented on this whilst I have been away from reading this thread!

P.S - it's too bright as well - the green grass colour is lost in the background!

I agree with the grass in the background. I don't agree that it is too bright. They are outside in the daytime with the sun out.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Thoughts?

IMO, the top image(TE blu-ray) looks right to me. Just saying.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by radagast

I agree with the grass in the background. I don't agree that it is too bright. They are outside in the daytime with the sun out.

This is true, I just think that the background looks a little too bright. Shooting against snow is a nightmare....it's washed any colour out.

[bearscubsfan87]

Originally Posted by ReverendSlim

I was watching The Two Towers last night and the picture kept progressively getting darker and more green... and I was thinking, "What's the big deal about Fellowship? This movie looks that way too! TEH INTERNETS LIE!"

Of course, at the end of disc 1, I saw the white Oppo logo pop up on my screen and realized that the darkness I was seeing was actually because the bulb in my Epson 8500UB was getting ready to blow.

New bulb's on the way from Epson... but for a while there, I was concerned!

This has been the best post in this thread. That alone made it worth reading through all of the squabling.