The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

but there is STILL the issue of the 'black crush' that's obviously not supposed to be there, because it destroys some scenes in the movie now.

So, that is why I am hoping for an eventual exchange program.

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The darkening was my main beef throughout the film. During the Moria sequence, my thought was that many people went to a whole lot of trouble to put fine details into the sets. These details, which appear in previous versions, were obscured or eliminated in the new release. I have a difficult time believing that Jackson would intentionally do this, but that's just me.

[can man]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

$5 coupon worked for me. Worth a shot.

Me as well.

[Maggot]

Ok, a few pages back I gave me intitial impressions on this new presentation. After finishing Fellowship last night, I have come down to a conclusion or two.

1. The new color timing puts Fellowship more in line with the 2nd and 3rd movies. I call it the "old world, victorian, storybook, gothic look".

2. The color timing looks fine for 95-97 percent of the movie. I only have trouble with about 3-5 percent of the color timing in the movie.

3. Detail is vastly improved over the TE's.

Now this is not to say that I prefer this color timing, because I still prefer a more realistic look. But in general, the new timing isn't as bad as I feared, although I do consider the blanket application of it to be something of a hack job.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Either that, or when Gandalf got up that morning, instead of getting the sword that said "Gondolin" on it, he mistakenly grabbed the one that said "Hasbro".

Makes me wonder just how he will handle that in the upcoming 'Hobbit' films.


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[winoni71]

Not that you'd care, but I am now (after 4 years) gonna watch "Lord of the Rings" again which arrived today.
I never said anything about the "Green tint" controversy, I will in 3-4 hours.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

The darkening was my main beef throughout the film. During the Moria sequence, my thought was that many people went to a whole lot of trouble to put fine details into the sets. These details, which appear in previous versions, were obscured or eliminated in the new release. I have a difficult time believing that Jackson would intentionally do this, but that's just me.

Exactly!

There is that FANTASTIC pull out shot at the very beginning of the Moria sequence that obviously involved lots of time for the model work in it.

It's an awesome shot!

Now it is almost totaly GONE!

There is no way that I can believe that Jackson would approve of the way it has now disappeared from the film. Especailly the way the camera moves throught it for the 'big reveal'.

Now it just reveals nothing!

It has to be a defect in the authoring of the disk that Jackson did not know about.



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[Pirate King]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Exactly!

There is that FANTASTIC pull out shot at the very beginning of the Moria sequence that obviously involved lots of time for the model work in it.

It's an awesome shot!

Now it is almost totaly GONE!

There is no way that I can believe that Jackson would approve of the way it has now disappeared from the film. Especailly the way the camera moves throught it for the 'big reveal'.

Now it just reveals nothing!

It has to be a defect in the authoring of the disk that Jackson did not know about.



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Can you please give me the time when this "pull out" shot takes place? I would like to take another serious look at that in detail. Thanks in advance.

[BoogalooShrimp]

This thread should be used as a psychological study.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Pirate King

Can you please give me the time when this "pull out" shot takes place? I would like to take another serious look at that in detail. Thanks in advance.

You will have to give me about 4 hours unfortunately.

But it's shortly right after Gandalf says: There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the dark places of the world!


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[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

The darkening was my main beef throughout the film. During the Moria sequence, my thought was that many people went to a whole lot of trouble to put fine details into the sets. These details, which appear in previous versions, were obscured or eliminated in the new release. I have a difficult time believing that Jackson would intentionally do this, but that's just me.

I've got to be honest with you and say that I believe the exposure of the film to be Peter Jackson's intent as well. It looks fairly correct to me for the most part.

There are many scenes, in particular the interior of Bag End, that start to look overexposed if you boost the brightness more than a tiny bit. I know because I believed the same thing as you at first and tested increasing the brightness by the same amount in different scenes. That green tint however is definately making the film look darker than it actually is.

Of course, how dark your image is is also dependant on how you've got your equipment calibrated.

[threefiftyrocket]

and the drama wages on... how long til someone else gets suspended or banned I wonder...

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

The constant green tint however does not and I believe it to be an error by Warner that they're not willing to own up to due to the financial costs of providing replacements.

There my friend is the hard $green truth of it!

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Lol, of course I have proof. I've regraded the whole film. What proof do you have? Nothing. Your theory about a 'mythical look' is weak at best. If that was the case he'd have regraded all the films with a green tint for continuety. After all, they are meant to be three parts of one big film, which is why he shot them all at the same time, to maintain a look of continuety. With the green tint all over the first film, that continuety between the first and second film has been totally destroyed. Do you have any way of explaining that?

+1 Bingo!

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

We've had numerous (well my unofficial count was 2 bans and about 9 suspensions but I know I missed some suspensions, as I avoided this thread for 2 days over the weekend); but if you meant today...

I'd guess not long at all

It's kinda fun to just sit back and watch... I can tell you what though, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be sitting back with a beer watching the Fellowship on blu tonight... ha! Haven't had a chance to yet... and I'm gonna love every minute of it!

[Pirate King]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

You will have to give me about 4 hours unfortunately.

But it's shortly right after Gandalf says: There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the dark places of the world!


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Thanks! That will suffice. I know where that is. Thanks again!

[PRO-630HD]

"Warner Bros Home Entertainment Group confirms that The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy Extended Edition Blu-ray accurately represents the intended look of each of the three features.

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature."

WOW! That clears things up LOL! Could they possibly be any more vague?

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

King, I asked you this nearly two weeks ago and not sure if I ever got a proper answer (from you, got answers from others on it, could have easily missed your reply too though).

What makes your color grade correct, and the the color grade that is on the discs, incorrect?

The fact that the flesh tones of the characters look natural, like they did in the previous releases of fotr and do in the second and third film's extended edition blu-ray transfers.

[TheZoof]

I just looked at the moria scene in question.

I must have a different copy or my tv is better but I see a ton of detail and it looks fantastic. I compared it to the original release and wow it is much improved.

I would take a screenshot however my camera isn't very good.

Is it possible the Canadian release is different?

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I think another real issue is a non-tinted transfer of FOTR using the new master is in HD broadcast. I am sure Jackson and WB approved that transfer as well LOL! Seriously if anyone has screenshots I would love to see them.

As would I.

I believe it was here on blu-ray.com that I asked whether anybody had seen this new HD broadcast that Harry Knowles has refered to and whether it also has the constant green tint or not but nobody replied.

[gridbug]

Screened Two Towers on our home theatre last night... does anyone else think that overall the transfer looks a little washed out? The tint problem evident on FOTR isn't there (thankfully) but large parts of TT seemed pretty lifeless color-wise. The PQ was incredible though... maybe I'm just tainted from the FOTR experience?