The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

I would guess those people would say the same regarding anyone who posts on a bluray message board about anything. We're all nerds here, don't fool yourself

I am the bigeest geek around here so I include myself on the list, no worries.

I explain what was going on to a few people about these movies on the Internet about the green and such. Most of them were looking at me as if we all have some sort of brain damage. They are asking "what you are telling us is true? Everyone is arguing page after page about this stuff?"

For most people out there this is a scandal free perfect release and most of them will never care or even come close to see the green tin and in most cases if they do they sure won't be losing sleep over it.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Farid

Please use this form to send an e-mail to WB. Let's see if we can make a replacement program happen.

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/...r_service.html

Quoting and posting this again since it's the only productive and constructive thing to do about the issue, unless one of the other forum posters is Peter Jackson.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah, the real world only consists of J6P and Blu-ray isn't an enthusiast format at all.

It's not a scandal-free release. A scandal-free release doesn't have 412 pages of debate in a week over one specific issue that has been proven to exist.

The apologists and deniers are just as bad as those freaking out about the tint.

My point is it's only an issue here, in our own little world. The rest of the world just look at us as if we need serious help and soon.

[Riches]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

So what is this Lord of the Rings trilogy I've been hearing so much about?

no idea... i'm too busy looking at your avatar...

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

My point is it's only an issue here, in our own little world. The rest of the world just look at us as if we need serious help and soon.

Most of the world is okay with standard definition and wouldn't care if they went back to dial-up internet. That doesn't mean the best possible service shouldn't exist.

People that don't give a rats ass about quality probably wouldn't even buy a Blu-ray set that they've almost certainly owned on DVD. Enthusiasts will. Why did I buy the set, after having purchased it 3 times in the past? To get the best possible version of it for posterity's sake.

Frankly, this version isn't it. I can live with it if this is the best we get, but it will always be in the back of my mind and affect my enjoyment of the film, when it really shouldn't have been an issue at all on a release this big and this anticipated.

Furthermore, this is the EXTENDED EDITION of the movies, further skewing the demographic towards hardcore fans. J6P that just wanted "Lord of the Rings on Blu-ray!" would likely have purchased the set for $30 already because who in their right minds watches a 4+ hour movie anyway?

I hate when people bring the "real world" into an internet forum when they want to trivialize someone else's argument and challenge their perspective. In 1995 you could make that argument. In 2011, the internet IS the real world.

[beefytwinkie]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Actually this is a scandal free release, out there in the real world with real people who really could care less if there is a green tin added to the movie or if the blacks are messed up in certain scenes, you know the people, those living in the real world.

Some of them would probably die laughing reading what is going on in these forums and most likely tell the lot of us to go out and get lives

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah, the real world only consists of J6P and Blu-ray isn't an enthusiast format at all.

It's not a scandal-free release. A scandal-free release doesn't have 412 pages of debate in a week over one specific issue that has been proven to exist.

The apologists and deniers are just as bad as those freaking out about the tint.

I think what P@t_Mtl is trying to say is (I apologize if I misinterpreted) that all the people here "debating" the issue is a minuscule population compared to those who just buy it and don't read forums. Just on this site alone there are maybe twenty people fighting about this but in the real world thousands upon thousands of copies are sold. The posters here probably think they are in the majority group of people who think the film is a massive screw-up but in reality they are only a drop of water in a very large bucket.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I hate when people bring the "real world" into an internet forum when they want to trivialize someone else's argument and challenge their perspective. In 1995 you could make that argument. In 2011, the internet IS the real world.

The Internet is not the real world but hey! if you wish to live in it please be my guess. I am not doing trivialize as you say, I am not buying the release. I am holding out for maybe a better release later on. The pictures and review seem alright but they don't make me happy. The only difference is I am not making post after post in here like a lunatic. So they made a mistake or not? I don't really care what happen I just won't be buying it. Complaining here post after post serve very little purpose even those using the defence new member join all the time and we have to tell them please give it up you Superman, you defender of the weak and oppress

In any case I have spend enough time in this thread for today, please enjoy your complaining if it make's you so happy, I will be doing something a bit more constructive with my time. Will check again in a few days to see if sanity as return to the thread.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Will check again in a few days to see if sanity as return to the thread.

Try a few months. Hopefully, by then we'll have an answer from Jackson regarding him changing the overall tint and contrast of the film or a plan to exchange the discs.

[Strilo]

On a completely different subject, is anyone else pissed off about how the discs are organized? I opened up my box set to find the following things that really angered me:

1. Despite Blu Ray's higher storage capacity, the films are still split onto two discs. Is there really no way they could have put HD versions of the film audio and video onto one disc so I don't have a gap in my viewing experience?

2. The extras discs are all DVDs, not Blu Rays. I don't necessarily expect the extras to be put entirely into HD, but it would be nice if the "appendices" were on one Blu Ray disc instead of two DVDs.

3. And this one made me the most angry, the film documentary on the third extras disc is... not even anamorphic. So here I am with my new LOTR EE Blu Ray set, watching something on my screen with a black box all the way around the picture.

It feels like WB had a bunch of extra printings of the DVDs around, so they put the EEs on Blu Ray and tossed in the DVDs from the old sets that were lying around.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

I think what P@t_Mtl is trying to say is (I apologize if I misinterpreted) that all the people here "debating" the issue is a minuscule population compared to those who just buy it and don't read forums. Just on this site alone there are maybe twenty people fighting about this but in the real world thousands upon thousands of copies are sold. The posters here probably think they are in the majority group of people who think the film is a massive screw-up but in reality they are only a drop of water in a very large bucket.

I don't think anyone has delusions that there are millions of people out there crying about it, or that people unsatisfied (or even aware of issue) are in the majority, but it doesn't take that many people to make a difference. It never has. The phrase "the vocal minority" is a common phrase for a reason.

If the precedent for a "fix" didn't exist, I wouldn't bother even discussing it (especially since I fall into the group that's not THAT bothered by the green), but it's happened a number of times before. Fans complained loudly and passionately enough about wax faces in Gladiator and Ridley Scott himself sat down and viewed and approved a new 4K master. In the end, J6P doesn't even know he has a crap version because it still has "THAT POP, and LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN 3D!" but the people who care are satisfied as well, and Gladiator is among my favorite Blu-rays.

Anyway, the going back and forth ad nauseam is really pointless, so I will keep urging people to write WB a quick blurb at that link and voice your polite displeasure.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The Internet is not the real world but hey! if you wish to live in it please be my guess. I am not doing trivialize as you say, I am not buying the release. I am holding out for maybe a better release later on. The pictures and review seem alright but they don't make me happy. The only difference is I am not making post after post in here like a lunatic. So they made a mistake or not? I don't really care what happen I just won't be buying it. Complaining here post after post serve very little purpose even those using the defence new member join all the time and we have to tell them please give it up you Superman, you defender of the weak and oppress

In any case I have spend enough time in this thread for today, please enjoy your complaining if it make's you so happy, I will be doing something a bit more constructive with my time. Will check again in a few days to see if sanity as return to the thread.

There isn't this disconnect anymore where people that research on the internet are some weird mole people and the "rest of the world" is just a bunch of ignorant chimps that buy what they're told and don't have the cognitive capacity to form subjective opinions. This is frankly ridiculous.

You're making the assumption that none of us here are real people, who see the sun and have a social life, because we're also enthusiasts of a format.

Yes, that is trivializing people and their argument by limiting it to some nebulous fantasy realm called "the internet". My father is 57 years old and regularly researches products on the internet to be 100% sure he is getting the best, whether it's a vacuum cleaner or a new car.

This idea that there are only nerdy, pasty technophiles, and troglodytes who work in coal mines, is ridiculous in 2011. Ask a 60 year old lady what Netflix is and you might be surprised.

[mrpink134]

Wow this is getting old! Now people are saying that someones TV isn't calibrated right or have bad TV's or bad eyes! Is this what it has come to? Lucky for me I have a HT setup and love watching BD for the love of movies and not pausing"play'pausing"play and watching 2 inches away from the screen looking for the imperfection. Reading this makes me sad for everyone that loves this hobby.

[spolcyc]

Just finished Fellowship and have been impressed by the transfer. The only negative is that they didn't put the films on one disc (instead of 2).

I never watched the Theatrical blu ray editions so my over the transfer is from having watch the DVD.

[beefytwinkie]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Wow this is getting old! Now people are saying that someones TV isn't calibrated right or have bad TV's or bad eyes! Is this what it has come to? Lucky for me I have a HT setup and love watching BD for the love of movies and not pausing"play'pausing"play and watching 2 inches away from the screen looking for the imperfection. Reading this makes me sad for everyone that loves this hobby.

Haha that picture is what some of the members here look like while reading this thread trying to prove others wrong.

[vertigo12314]

It looks better when I reduce some of the green in my screen.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The Internet is not the real world but hey! if you wish to live in it please be my guess. I am not doing trivialize as you say, I am not buying the release. I am holding out for maybe a better release later on. The pictures and review seem alright but they don't make me happy. The only difference is I am not making post after post in here like a lunatic. So they made a mistake or not? I don't really care what happen I just won't be buying it. Complaining here post after post serve very little purpose even those using the defence new member join all the time and we have to tell them please give it up you Superman, you defender of the weak and oppress

In any case I have spend enough time in this thread for today, please enjoy your complaining if it make's you so happy, I will be doing something a bit more constructive with my time. Will check again in a few days to see if sanity as return to the thread.

The Internet is very much the real world because it is made up of people who live in it. A country organized a revolution using the Internet. You might have heard about this.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Strilo

3. And this one made me the most angry, the film documentary on the third extras disc is... not even anamorphic.
So here I am with my new LOTR EE Blu Ray set, watching something on my screen with a black box all the way around the picture.

I hit zoom (not stretch) to bring it up to 16x9.

As you said its not HD so the zooming doesnt dimish the quality that much as its SD to begin with anyways.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I finally got the time to watch this last night. Understand I simply put on the movie as I normally would and did not pause it once, do any comparisons with any other version, etc........my goal last night for my first viewing of FOTR in 4.5 years was to simply enjoy it as much as possible which I did. It was flat out awesome overall! Just for reference, here is what I am watching/listening on........

-RS40 projector
-Dalite High Power 2.8 gain 2.35 CIH screen 117.5" diag (9' wide) 12.5' view dist
-Oppo 93
-Onkyo 885 pre/pro
-Sherborn 7/2100 amp
-7.1 setup with JBL S series speakers
-4 SVS subs (3 PB13 Ultras and a 12/2 Ultra)
-Dual Buttkickers attached to a mini riser which my couch sits on
-Bat cave fully dedicated/enclosed HT room with a combo of black velvet and flat black paint on the ceiling, floor, side/back/front walls and couch.

With all that said, overall I thought this was a very good presentation as far as the video, but not excellent. The biggest issue was (surprise!) the green tint. Honestly, I only found it to be a minor distraction in the grand scheme of things, but a distraction none the less. It certainly is not as glaring as it looks when just viewing the screen shots and comparison shots on line, but I would say in general, those shots were very accurate as far as what I watched last night which I find interesting.......the shots are accurate, but dont represent what I saw in motion. It simply does not look nearly as bad in motion, BUT I kept thinking throughout the film "this would look significantly better without the green tint". There just seemed to be a general muted type quality to a lot of the colors/scenes as slight as it was. Fire was the biggest victim IMO since every time it popped up it took on a slight muted quality which was due to the green tint and was not fully convincing IMO. Other things where the subtle green tint made its presence known off the top of my head were hair (Saruman), smoke, soap suds (Bilbo's party), sky, light shining through trees (such as the ending battle scenes) or openings, some water, some snow (the infamous long shot of the Fellowship walking along the mountain was extremely close to what the screen cap shows with a heavy blue tint though, not green) and near white type clothing which you could tell was being impacted by the green tint. So to sum it up the tint is only a minor distraction overall, BUT I would LOVE to see this film with the tint removed since there is no doubt in my mind it would take it from "very good" to "excellent" as far as the overall presentation. I hope we get the chance to see this type of version either through a disc swap, or worst case scenario in the next release. Time will tell, but I hope it happens since I strongly believe this film could look considerably better without the green tint as subtle as it is most of the time.

The general detail and sharpness was fantastic as has been reported. It quite often seemed like I was viewing this film for the first time and made all the video upgrades I have done in the past year 100% worth it! There were the occasional soft shots/scenes, but they were few and far between to my eyes.

Having said all that, I have no more complaints with what I watched. I was worried about comments of the overall transfer being "dark" which I just did not see. Maybe once I throw on TT and ROTK, FOTR will look relatively dark at that point, but it certainly does not look dark in general to me on my setup. I know I said "muted" in the previous paragraph, but to me that is different from dark.

The other thing I was worried about was loss of shadow detail which I simply did not notice to any significant degree for whatever reason. Again, maybe if I did a comparison with one of the other versions of this film it would stick out at that point, but without doing that I found shadow detail to overall be VERY good and no major complaints. In fact, the whole Mines of Moria sequence was a standout in my setup and I did not find anything lacking in shadow detail department (again though, this is without doing a comparison which might show what I am missing if anything).

With all that in mind, I am planning on taking the ignorance is bliss route from here on out with this transfer in the sense that I dont plan to do ANY comparing to my previous EE DVD. I simply dont want to know what I am missing and doing this comparison will no doubt make the issues more obvious I am sure. Overall, I really enjoyed what I watched last night and I just want to keep it that way! Again though, I am still holding out hope for a disc swap since you can count me in the "not convinced this is not an error camp" by the damage control Warner "statement". In order for me to be fully convinced this IS intentional, I need to hear it from PJ himself and would also be curious as to what his thoughts were if that turns out to be the case so I could try to appreciate what I am seeing more (I may still not like it, but at least I could have a greater sense of appreciation). The fact that PJ has been so silent only raises red flags still in my mind since you would think if this was truly intentional he would simply throw out a quick "all is good and the tint/color timing changes are intentional on the blu ray" type statement at least. The fact that he has flat out ignored those type questions on the facebook page while answering others around it is very interesting to say the least.

Enough of all that..............how about the audio? In a word.........PERFECT! At least as perfect as film audio tracks get. Dynamics were first rate. Dialog was mixed to perfection and this film MUST contain the best use of echo I have ever heard. It is just amazing as some of the voices surround and pull you in to the film/moment. surround use was fantastic with a great example being the cave troll scene as the chain(?) is being whipped around the room you get the sensation that you are right in the middle of the action as it goes around the surrounds........very cool! LFE use was just mind blowing as there were so many different tones/elements depending on the scene and it is obvious a LOT of thought and care went into the low end. The cave troll scene up to where Gandalf falls is still one of the overall best HT demo scenes there is IMO. Titanic low end when called for, amazing surround use, awesome dynamics, etc........this was my go to set of scenes for years for giving a HT demo and it has earned that spot once again!

Oh, the packaging of this set is first rate! Gorgeous and just a very solid design/job overall.

Will watch TT and ROTK I hope over the weekend if I have time.......cant wait!

I would just like to also say after actually watching the disc that I can fully understand ALL opinions on this ranging from "non issue....I dont see any green!" to "ugly and WTF happened?" and everything inbetween. There are SO MANY variables that contribute to this wide range of opinions such as different eyes, different sensitivities to color/other issues, different rooms, different equip, different calibrations, etc, etc........for anyone to suggest their opinion as fact and others are wrong or off is ridiculous in light of this. I hope we call start respecting each others opinion more even if we dont see it the same way.

Todd, I want to thank you for this excellent post. I was confident that you would be pleased when you saw it and I am now starting to feel like I have<gasp> credibility.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I don't understand why people believe he had to change all three films because he changed one. I'm not defending the tint, but I don't really think the argument is valid. Colour timing was only used on 70% of FOTR, and they had the ability to use it for the entirety of TTT and ROTK. So I'd imagine the change came from that.

The other argument that I have, which I believe to be at least a little more valid, is that FOTR never looked similar to the other two. Now, it looks more similar because of the changed colour timing. The new tint, who knows what's going on there. There's a myriad of reasons why it could be there and a million for why it shouldn't be there. But while FOTR doesn't look quite right compared to its brothers, it's a damn sight closer than it was before imho.

If this were truly the case the color grading would only have been done for 30% of the film not 100%. The black levels would not have been changed at all as they were set for 70% of the film during the digital grading and none of the films had an orange and teal look like FOTR does now. In the prologue "One Ring to Rule Them All" looks completely different than the TE bluray. Significantly darker and the color palette is totally different and this is definitely one of the scenes that would have been digitally graded as most of it is blue screen. Why it was changed so drastically I don't know, but renting the TE bluray of LOTR it is simply spot on compared to TTT and ROTK. The new remaster is not at all. As said before it is a typical Warner remaster with increased black levels and orange and teal in full effect like 95% of their remasters on bluray in the last few years.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

I think what P@t_Mtl is trying to say is (I apologize if I misinterpreted) that all the people here "debating" the issue is a minuscule population compared to those who just buy it and don't read forums. Just on this site alone there are maybe twenty people fighting about this but in the real world thousands upon thousands of copies are sold. The posters here probably think they are in the majority group of people who think the film is a massive screw-up but in reality they are only a drop of water in a very large bucket.

Not only that.

Even in the internet world the majority are pleased with it. The amount of people calling for a "recall" is miniscule even here.

I was reading that PJ's goal for the look of these movies and coloring was to make it look like it was its own world and not New Zealand.

If you think about it from that perspective IMO it makes the colors look EVEN better to me.