The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[SleeperAgent]

Just had a marathon of all 3. They ALL look spectacular. Everyone needs to judge for themselves AFTER WATCHING THE ACTUAL DISCS.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Hello! Looks like we're back.

I just found this at theonering.net:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011...ng-dark-green/

Edit:

Yes sir.

Wow, that's quite the read. I wonder why so many people on the "green tint is cool, or non-existent, or BOTH" side of the debate seem to consistently take this kind of belittling approach.

So, people who notice apparent deficiencies in movie releases and point it out don't have sex? Ooh, Burn!

Is he suggesting that the people on the other side get laid more often because they've gotten used to taking everything lying down?

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Hello! Looks like we're back.

I just found this at theonering.net:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011...ng-dark-green/

My response to that article? "Well! I never!" said in an uptight old British woman voice.

In all seriousness, it really is a beautiful transfer for the most part. Would I prefer it without the green cast? Absolutely. Do I think it's a litter darker than it should be? Probably. But it is what it is, unless a replacement disc program ever comes to light (which I am not holding my breath for).

[HeKS]

Flodsby, check your PMs.

HeKS

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by flodsby

Hey HeKs, suprising to hear that you brought the set , I was wondering. The way you are doing this, are you losing anymore detail when taking away the tint? And I'd love to see your four way comparison of the balrog gandalf scene from FOTR.

To a certain degree, yes, I'm losing detail. Unfortunately, it's unavoidable. The green tint interacts with / overlays certain color information in the underlying image that is the same color. Removing the tint takes along this color and associated detail. The slight color loss can be mostly compensated for, but there's no way to get back the detail. Fortunately, the detail loss is no so significant that it prevents one from getting a good idea of what the image would look like without the tint and contrast boost.

[Cplhicks]

Watched FOTR today and thought it looked great. Only a few shots I thought looked a little green/dark, but overall it looked and sounded amazing. Did anyone else have difficulty getting it to play? My Sony BD player had problems playing the first disc till I deleted the BD data on the player, and the second disc it sat on a black screen until I pressed the enter button. Weird.

[PRO-630HD]

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011...ng-dark-green/

"Depends. If you’re one of those folks who believes that the DVD/Blu-ray should 100% replicate the theatrical experience, then it is a big problem"

I am amazed by that statement! Bring on the pan and scan blurays please lol! I would like my version cropped to 1.78:1 to match my HDTV so I don't have to see the black bars. Also I want my colorized version of the 1933 King Kong! WTF!

The green tint and black crush are an issue. As is the teal and orange that are no where to be found in the sequels. I have never seen so many sets of teal eyes in my life.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by 42041

hope the mods don't mind me linking to avs, this thread is way too gigantic to find anything in...

In these I just tried to remove the blanket tint:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20579633

After I examined the disc I also noticed the brightness never seems to go above a certain value, which I attempted to compensate for here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20644425

Hey 42041,

Thanks for the links.

If I understand you correctly, you based your tint correction on the fade-to-white in the Rivendell scene. Were you able to account for the red push in that white screen? I originally tried to use that as my reference but it seemed to me that it wasn't a reliable guide for the actual color of the tint that needed to be filtered out. Also, I didn't want to "correct" the EE image to match the TE image, because the new FOTR master went through a legitimate full-scale regrade before the tint and contrast boost were applied, which means the TE image wouldn't seem to be capable of being used as a guide for what the new grading should look like prior to the tint and contrast boost. I was also trying to avoid simply white-balancing the image, because even the TE version didn't always have entirely white whites.

Trying to accurately neutralize the tint and contrast boost without making subjective color "improvements" is a bit of minefield IMO. I think I've got the tint thing solidly worked out, but I continue to test my contrast and brightness fixes while I try to find something that works uniformly with every image.

Take care,
HeKS

[frogmort]

I kind of look at it this way, even if FOTR does seem to be a little dark and tinted, and even if I rated it a 70 out of 100 on the picture quality, this is what I come up with:

FOTR
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 70%

TTT
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 100%

ROTK
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 100%
-----------------
Average Score: 96.66667%

Although the dark tint does bug me, the amount of detail and depth is better than it's ever been(when blacks aren't crushed), and I would say the good does outweigh the bad. I did get almost used to the dark tint after a while, but not completely. It actually works for some scenes, but not as much for others. Overall I would probably recommend it, but it will bother some people more than others.

I am still hoping for a replacement program though. (I know, I know.)

[WhySoCereal]

It's nice to see some civil conversation starting up (we'll see how long it lasts..) and I pretty much agree with that article posted a few posts back. The green tint is their but the thing I really noticed the that it's darker. It's an undeniable change but it's not a huge flaw to me. The way I see it FOTR has never looked better. Although some detail has been lost (Because Peter Jackson WANTED it to) the rest looks outstanding. If this is the way FOTR is gonna look from now on then so be it. At least he didn't put Jabba in it....

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I kind of look at it this way, even if FOTR does seem to be a little dark and tinted, and even if I rated it a 70 out of 100 on the picture quality, this is what I come up with:

FOTR
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 70%

TTT
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 100%

ROTK
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 100%
-----------------
Average Score: 96.66667%

Although the dark tint does bug me, the amount of detail and depth is better than it's ever been(when blacks aren't crushed), and I would say the good does outweigh the bad. I did get almost used to the dark tint after a while, but not completely. It actually works for some scenes, but not as much for others. Overall I would probably recommend it, but it will bother some people more than others.

I am still hoping for a replacement program though. (I know, I know.)

I think I would rate the FOTR video a bit lower, but I generally agree with your overall ratings. The thing that makes all this so frustrating is that there's no good reason FOTR couldn't have also gotten a 100% on the video rating now that they have a new HD master.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by HeKS

I think I would rate the FOTR video a bit lower, but I generally agree with your overall ratings. The thing that makes all this so frustrating is that there's no good reason FOTR couldn't have also gotten a 100% on the video rating now that they have a new HD master.

That was just an arbitrary number I picked, but I agree with you completely, it's so close to perfection, yet so far away.

[42041]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Were you able to account for the red push in that white screen? I originally tried to use that as my reference but it seemed to me that it wasn't a reliable guide for the actual color of the tint that needed to be filtered out. Also, I didn't want to "correct" the EE image to match the TE image, because the new FOTR master went through a legitimate full-scale regrade before the tint and contrast boost were applied, which means the TE image wouldn't seem to be capable of being used as a guide for what the new grading should look like prior to the tint and contrast boost. I was also trying to avoid simply white-balancing the image, because even the TE version didn't always have entirely white whites.

I assumed it was white based on the comparison to one of the DVD releases that some guy posted, where it really was white. If it's not that shade on all releases, it seems to be close enough, regardless. Once I got the disc I screencaped a bunch of white stuff throughout the film (which might be interesting to some folks: http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3...hitethings.jpg) to refine my filter.

[MerrickG]

On a different subject. I just finished watching Return of the King and I would like to know what was the bigger Academy Award injustice:

The fact that Fellowship of the Ring lost to Best Picture and Best Director to A Beautiful Mind

or

The fact that Sean Astin didn't win an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in Return of the King? Hell he didn't even get nominated.

To me the Sean Astin snub is the ultimate insult because Return of the King ultimately won Best Picture.

[Arkham]

Anyone have any issue with disk 2 of Fellowship?
IT plays great in my PS3 but it will not play in my Sony blu ray player, which for some reason only reads it as a BD Rom. Disk 1 was perfect.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Arkham

Anyone have any issue with disk 2 of Fellowship?
IT plays great in my PS3 but it will not play in my Sony blu ray player, which for some reason only reads it as a BD Rom. Disk 1 was perfect.

Turn off the player and restart it. It does that on my Oppo, too.

[WhySoCereal]

Originally Posted by merrick97

On a different subject. I just finished watching Return of the King and I would like to know what was the bigger Academy Award injustice:

The fact that Fellowship of the Ring lost to Best Picture and Best Director to A Beautiful Mind

or

The fact that Sean Astin didn't win an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in Return of the King? Hell he didn't even get nominated.

To me the Sean Astin snub is the ultimate insult because Return of the King ultimately won Best Picture.

I agree with both your points. I think they didn't give FOTR or TTT the oscar because they knew ROTK would get it, but Sean Astin's lack of recognition is ridiculous.

[Petyr_Baelish]

What did you guys do to get the thread closed?

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by 42041

I assumed it was white based on the comparison to one of the DVD releases that some guy posted, where it really was white. If it's not that shade on all releases, it seems to be close enough, regardless. Once I got the disc I screencaped a bunch of white stuff throughout the film (which might be interesting to some folks: http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3...hitethings.jpg) to refine my filter.

What color (RGB value) did you ultimately come up with as actually being what I call the "effective tint" ... the actual shade of green that is interacting with the image?

Take care,
HeKS

[gregmasciola]

I've just finished watching Return Of The King. I must say, Two Towers & Return Of The King looked completely flawless to me. I didn't notice any problems such as DNR anywhere, so I was very pleased. Now that I've watched all three movies on Blu-Ray, I'm extremely glad I purchased it. The whole green tint issue only bothers me for about 3 minutes during Fellowship. Since I see this series as one movie, 3 minutes out of almost 11 hours isn't a problem for me. I would rather have it without the green cast, but I'm perfectly happy with my purchase. It's my precious!!