The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Sean72

Nice work HeKS. You won't ever be able to bring back the shadow detail that has been clipped into black and there is a fair amount of that in the BD EE. I know you are aware of that, it's just unfortunate that there's not a 100% workaround to fixing this problem from the discs.

It will never be properly fixed until it comes in the form of corrected discs from the studio.

Hopefully they will come through.

Yeah, exactly. If a perfect workaround could be created then it wouldn't be that big of an issue to just do a re-encode of the film if there was no replacement. But because of the massive loss of detail, re-encoding is miles short of an ideal solution, which makes me really hope for that replacement.

HeKS

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Per flodsby's request:

Ok, first off, I recalibrated my color balance using that Aragorn on the mountain shot again by reapplying the green tint and then adjusting the balances until the result was as close as possible to the EE version, then I just turned off the green tint and turned my contrast fix back on.

Here's the latest Aragorn one:


Now here's a series of shots with Gandalf and the Balrog. I'm pretty sure my color correction (tint removal and contrast fix) is correct here, in spite of the difference between my fix and the TE version. I don't know about anybody else, but I always found it kinda weird that Gandalf's face was that dark and unaffected, in terms of color, by the massive flame being "flexed" right in front of him. The EE clearly resolves this to a fairly significant degree in spite of the tint and contrast boost, so the result of my fix is, I think to be expected. But I'm interested in your thoughts.

Here you go:

Based on your screen shots, I actually like the EE before the fix is applied, too me it looks closer (though not the same) to the theatrical cut than what the fixed images do. I suppose what 1 values when it comes to PQ is different to what the next person values, for example there are many people who prefer the vibrant over saturated colours that lcd/led tv's produce, even though it's not the correct way to watch films or tv, I used to prefer lcd's myself but I don't anymore which is why I'm about to buy my 1st plasma. I'm not saying that peoples displays are the cause of the issue, I just think the colours in a few of your EE fixed images (mainly the 1's with Gandalf in the mines of Moria) are a bit over saturated.

[HeKS]

And here's the latest one of Frodo at the council:

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Based on your screen shots, I actually like the EE before the fix is applied, too me it looks closer (though not the same) to the theatrical cut than what the fixed images do. I suppose what 1 values when it comes to PQ is different to what the next person values, for example there are many people who prefer the vibrant over saturated colours that lcd/led tv's produce, even though it's not the correct way to watch films or tv, I used to prefer lcd's myself but I don't which is why I'm about to buy my 1st plasma. I'm not saying that peoples displays are the cause of the issue, I just think the colours in your EE fixed images are a bit over saturated.

I think the EE shot before the fix only seems to look closer to the TE in this instance because of the green tint, oddly enough. The EE clearly has put way more red into the image and had that red affect Gandalf's coloring a lot more than the TE. However, because green is opposite to red on the color spectrum, it's canceling / dulling some of that red to make it look a bit closer to the TE in this instance, but when the green is removed, my fix would seem to be what you get. That said, this is a work in progress, so if something leads me to believe that I'm off here, I'll go back and apply the adjusted filters to this image again and see what happens.

[HeKS]

Alright, I'm off to bed (at 4:57am). I'll pick this up a bit tomorrow night.

g'night all.

HeKS

[Andrewtst]

I prefer the EE (without Fix)....

The EE Fix is just too red.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by WhySoCereal

I agree with both your points. I think they didn't give FOTR or TTT the oscar because they knew ROTK would get it, but Sean Astin's lack of recognition is ridiculous.

Which is exactly the problem with the Academy... they always "hold" awards then give it out for the wrong films. I dont think any of the LOTR movies should've won best picture IMO, but the greatest movie ever made could've come out in 2003 yet they would still have given it to ROTK just "because" they hadn't awarded the series yet. Look at the Oscars given to Scorsese (for The Departed) or Jeremy Irons (Reversal of Fortune)... Scorsese should've won numerous times before (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas) but they kept snubbing him, then gave him the award for a remake that didn't een feel like a typical Scorsese film. Irons should've won for playing twins in Dead Ringers, but wasn't even nominated - so they give it to him 2 years later for a film no one remembers.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Funny how the TE has a greener tint than the EE. Just look at the top right corner and the highlights on the hair. The EE looks the best of the 3.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by retablo

Funny how the TE has a greener tint than the EE. Just look at the top right corner and the highlights on the hair. The EE looks the best of the 3.

Exactly. It does look the best. Seems like more times than not the green tint works to the benefit of the transfer. It has made several shots look more natural overall. It seems the tint has its biggest noticeable impact on "pure" or absolute white and it's corresponding affect on some colors.

[Troy73]

The more I think about this new color grading the more it seems like a personal preference. If and I'm saying "if" PJ did intentionally approve this change and think it looks fantastic then it becomes a no win situation as far as a correction. I have always felt that "Directors Intent" trumps fan opinion. It's kinda like when you go over to a friends house and see their tv settings and think to yourself, "WOW how F@#ked up are those"! If you change their settings they might think your adjustments look like crap. Then, there are some friends that seem to have very much the same settings as you. Even though there are exact video standards it is extremely rare to find, in someones home, an exactly reference video monitor. Even some professional calibrations can't yield exact standards but they can be closer to accurate than no calibration. That's one of the reasons I feel we've been seeing radically different levels of tint in some members screen grabs.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by MEB

TTT
Movie: 100%
Audio: 100%
Video: 95%

ROTK
Movie: 100%
Audio: 95%
Video: 100%

I spent some additional time looking at TTT and I have to know a few points off of its video too. It's overly bright and colors are undersaturated. Not significantly, but quite noticeable to me.

ROTK's video is absolutely amazing. Easily the most stunning of the set. But I did notice a fluctuation in the audio level at two spots (one rather after the other). I suspect most people wouldn't even notice, but I did.

Mark

I completely agree with this part of your post. ROTK= Rock Solid Transfer. So why is it TTT seems flat. What's funny is it doesn't seem overly different and image resolution and fine detail is stunning. So, you think it's the colors/brightness? I'm not sure. Don't get me wrong it is stunning, but......

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Here's a Lord of the Rings Blu-ray EE Trailer (1080p).
Notice that there's NO tint in the trailer.
To me this is false advertising.
If you purchase the EE based on watching this trailer you will not
get what they showed you.

>>>
YouTube - ‪Lord of the Rings Blu Ray Trailer (1080p)‬‏

HUH? Why did you post this? It's not even for this release.

Edit: Boone Carlyle beat me to it.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

So when do we get an Extended Edition of this thread?

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

So when do we get an Extended Edition of this thread?

As soon as we get an official statement from Peter Jackson.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

So when do we get an Extended Edition of this thread?

wait 10 minutes.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Troy73

HUH? Why did you post this? It's not even for this release.

Edit: Boone Carlyle beat me to it.

You're right...someone posted this trailer over at avsforum.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

You're right...someone posted this trailer over at avsforum.

Don't go to AVS for credible information. Go there to see just how civil this blu-ray.com forum actually is.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Side by side and in-motion comparison of EE vs TE:

LOTR - Green Cast Comparison (Extended Left vs Theatrical Right)

Check out this Lord of the Rings on Blu-ray Trailer -- No Green Tint!

Interesting huh?!?!

LOTR Triology EE Blu-Ray Trailer

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Here is a 1080p version of that trailer too! Sans green-tint

Lord of the Rings Blu Ray Trailer (1080p)

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Check out this Lord of the Rings on Blu-ray Trailer -- No Green Tint!

Interesting huh?!?!

[Show spoiler]LOTR Triology EE Blu-Ray Trailer

[Show spoiler]

Here is a 1080p version of that trailer too! Sans green-tint

Lord of the Rings Blu Ray Trailer (1080p)

[/QUOTE]


That's a trailer for the TE!

[DarkDune]

OK...maybe I got excited. I will look for an EE 1080p trailer...if it is out there