The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Most have already watched the Appendices; and for most people who prefer the books over the movies; watching the Appendices is a painful process due to some comments from Boyens and Walsh.

Fran Walsh had no part in the Appendices, it was Boyens who made the comments. Fran Walsh is very private, so she didn't participate in the behind the scenes stuff.

Now that is not to say she does not have the feelings that Boyens does, but Boyens was vocal about her "improvements" in the appendices

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

There are plenty of other examples of the fallibility of men - that function was covered more than sufficiently by Boromir and Denethor.

Isn't this exemplified most by the Nazgul (sorry I don't know how to do that little arrow thing over the u) anyway? I mean in the opening of the fellowship it talks about the 9 men given rings of power and they greed and lust for power overtook them... taking away Tolkiens "infallible man" concept would actually harm the point that not ALL men are corruptable. The only one in the films showing this is Aragorn.

Again, the Faramir change didn't bother me as much as some of the other changes but it is a HUGE one that really changes the story... A LOT.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

There are plenty of other examples of the fallibility of men - that function was covered more than sufficiently by Boromir and Denethor.

Like I said, I don't think the change was an improvement. Just that it didn't bother me as it at least fit that theme in the movie and I don't care about changes to books personally. As long as everything makes sense in the movie I'm fine with it.

[thethingwithnoname]

across the whole film, the two changes that annoyed me the most were..

a) Faramir's character change as discussed in the posts above - not the behaviour of a future steward of gondor!

b) the silly pointless bit in TT with Aragorn going over the cliff and is he dead isn't he dead nonsense ensuing - pointless extra angst when none was necessary

apart from that - its all good baby!

[Eismagier]

Faramir actually didn't bother me that much. He has virtually no character development in the books (not unusual for Tolkien, who probably spent more time making up an etymology for the name).

What bothered me the most about TTT at the time the movie originally came out was the idea of an army of elves suddenly appearing in Helm's Deep. But I got over that

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

across the whole film, the two changes that annoyed me the most were..

a) Faramir's character change as discussed in the posts above - not the behaviour of a future steward of gondor!

b) the silly pointless bit in TT with Aragorn going over the cliff and is he dead isn't he dead nonsense ensuing - pointless extra angst when none was necessary

apart from that - its all good baby!

a) You have to have growth with a character. Faramir has to have some kind of foil and progression, otherwise he is a boring cinematic character.

b) The bit of Aragorn falling off the cliff was pretty much just so that you had a main character see Saruman's army marching to Helm's Deep. Otherwise, no one would have seen it and hearing someone say an army is coming isn't as interesting as having a main character see the army and tell the others that they are all in danger.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Most have already watched the Appendices; and for most people who prefer the books over the movies; watching the Appendices is a painful process due to some comments from Boyens and Walsh.

It has been a while, but is Walsh even interviewed in the Appendices? I just started watching it again and it's marvelous.

Originally Posted by radagast

The Two Towers Extended. That "one scene" in ROTK is just too appallingly bad.

What scene?

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

It has been a while, but is Walsh even interviewed in the Appendices? I just started watching it again and it's marvelous.

As I previously said, no she was not. And yes, they are... Great insight into the film making process. No matter if you have a huge beef with some of the changes, or whether they didn't bother you that much, the Appendices will give you an appreciation of the films just on the film making process alone, and how much work was put into them.

Originally Posted by JLTucker

What scene?

Witch King... Gandalf... Minas Tirith...

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

It has been a while, but is Walsh even interviewed in the Appendices? I just started watching it again and it's marvelous.

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

As I previously said, no she was not.

threefiftyrocket already corrected me (I'll go edit my post in a second); I haven't actually seen that portion of the Appendices since I first got RotK EE on DVD.

I thought it was just Boyens, but I couldn't remember and didn't want to just name one if it was in fact both.


For me, there were only a handful of changes that really annoyed me in PJ's films.
- The entire handling of Arwen.
- The entire handling of Faramir.
- Gandalf v Witch-king of Angmar

[Aerodude73]

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[Hobbun]

I actually had a LotR marathon over the weekend (watched all three) and loved it. I realized there were extended scenes I had not seen before where I thought I had.

Also, watched the Appendices of FotR and my favorite part was when the hobbit crew was described being helicoptered up to a shooting location and Elijah, Dom and Billy were making fun of Sean (Astin) on directing the helicopters where to land.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

across the whole film, the two changes that annoyed me the most were..

a) Faramir's character change as discussed in the posts above - not the behaviour of a future steward of gondor!

b) the silly pointless bit in TT with Aragorn going over the cliff and is he dead isn't he dead nonsense ensuing - pointless extra angst when none was necessary

apart from that - its all good baby!

For a), Denethor showed that a steward of Gondor didn't have to behave well!

b) I agree with, that was a big silly.

Another change I didn't like much was some of the stuff with Arwen. It's confusing about how and why she gives up her immortality--I didn't notice it much in prior viewings, but paid attention to it this time after some discussions from Grand Bob or radagast in another thread a while back.

When she's trying to save Frodo she says something like "what grace I have left, let it pass to him." Then there's the scene where she gives Aragorn the necklace and says she chooses a mortal life. Then in ROTK there's the scene after she confronts Elrond about her child where she drops the book and he feels here and says she's cold. So when exactly did she give up her immortality?

And then you have Elrond bringing Aragorn the sword and telling him that she's dying as Sauron's power grows, which doesn't make any sense really as none of the above implied any tying of her life to the ring--just simply giving up her immortality to either save Frodo, be with Aragorn, or both.

Originally Posted by Eismagier

Faramir actually didn't bother me that much. He has virtually no character development in the books (not unusual for Tolkien, who probably spent more time making up an etymology for the name).

Exactly. Faramir was a fairly minor/secondary character anyway. I always found his plot line--especially the stuff with his father prefering Boromir etc.--kind of a needless plot line in the book and movie anyway. So I didn't mind the change to his character as I always though the book/movie would have been fine without his character anyway.

What bothered me the most about TTT at the time the movie originally came out was the idea of an army of elves suddenly appearing in Helm's Deep. But I got over that

That one I was always indifferent too. If any thing I kind of like having the Elves help mankind one last time before leaving middle earth and fully starting the age of men.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

And the brain will compensate for inaccuracies by trying to "fix" them itself. We want our brains to work less, rest, and enjoy correct color, not green-tinted color.

Originally Posted by ApolloOne

What are you trying to do, start a union for brains?

Will that mean each BD will need to the following warning labels?

"This digital media may cause involuntary brain function."

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Travis

It do's matter too a point. Westeners are not known for having the tuffest education systems fore sure. I do make plenty of errors tyoing. Ofetn just a missed key, like in typing back their. Damn fat fingers and smalll laptop keybored. Sometime, I am to tired or have had a few to maney beers to pay atentin cerefuly. Speling is my bigest mistake. Just hit the wrong key or doublee up sometimes. I no, I am not a good speller, and I don't type well.

I agree 100 persent with some of the postes back their. If some one wantes to come across as a know-it-all, they shuld allready know how to type and spell, may not bee grammer mistakes, but it probebly is. Your not gona change anyting hear with out help. Its a good idea if we all put common english usage mistakes in our signatures, than may be some peoples will see the erors in they're weighs.

Also, Practical English Usage by Michael Swan should be taught in schools around the world! A great book! http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Engl.../dp/019431197X

[Show spoiler]Fun post and I don't even need to use spell check!

LOL I can't believe the thread has come down to grammar... jeez

[radagast]

Originally Posted by flodsby

LOL I can't believe the thread has come down to grammar... jeez

It's a welcome change from hundreds of pages of people saying the same things over and over again about the excessive green and the dark contrast in FOTR, to the point of multiple suspensions and maybe a few bannings.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Aerodude73

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[ApolloOne]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Isn't this exemplified most by the Nazgul (sorry I don't know how to do that little arrow thing over the u) anyway?

Nazgûl
Mac: Option-i, then u
Windows: Alt-0251

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

So when exactly did she give up her immortality?

Since an elf can die of grief and despair (a broken heart, basically), it may be presumed that giving herself so fully to a mortal who will die is tantamount to giving up her immortality. So I suppose saying she has given it up is a prediction of how things will happen, given her current choice.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Faramir was a fairly minor/secondary character anyway. I always found his plot line--especially the stuff with his father prefering Boromir etc.--kind of a needless plot line in the book and movie anyway.

Yeah, I found it interesting as a motivation point to explain Faramir, but it was only slightly above a kind of medieval Smothers Brothers plot.

(Ah, these types of discussions are so refreshing!)

[Hobbun]

A friend of mine and I were having a discussion on the origins of the 19 rings (bound to the One Ring).

My friend indicated the movie makes it clear that Sauron forged the One Ring, but he wasn't sure who forged the remaining. From what I recall, it was also Sauron, but he disguised himself as a blacksmith/traveler and sold the races on the power of the rings. But to be honest, it's been so long since I've read the books, I can't remember for sure.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

A friend of mine and I were having a discussion on the origins of the 19 rings (bound to the One Ring).

My friend indicated the movie makes it clear that Sauron forged the One Ring, but he wasn't sure who forged the remaining. From what I recall, it was also Sauron, but he disguised himself as a blacksmith/traveler and sold the races on the power of the rings. But to be honest, it's been so long since I've read the books, I can't remember for sure.

Celebrimbor created The Three (Narya, Nenya and Vilya) without Sauron's help (though from the skills he taught them), thus he couldn't control them as he could the Seven and the Nine, but they were nonetheless bound to the One ring.

The Elven smiths of Eregion (of which Celebrimbor was chief) made the Seven and the Nine with the assistance of Sauron (disguised as Annatar).

[Petyr_Baelish]

Hey guys: you are forgetting the green tint. Let's stay on topic.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Celebrimbor created The Three (Narya, Nenya and Vilya) without Sauron's help (though from the skills he taught them), thus he couldn't control them as he could the Seven and the Nine, but they were nonetheless bound to the One ring.

The Elven smiths of Eregion (of which Celebrimbor was chief) made the Seven and the Nine with the assistance of Sauron (disguised as Annatar).

Interesting.

I had always thought Sauron was able to control all of those possessing the rings of power, including the elves.

Did not know those three were an exception.

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Hey guys: you are forgetting the green tint.

Well, I tried.