The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Celebrimbor created The Three (Narya, Nenya and Vilya) without Sauron's help (though from the skills he taught them), thus he couldn't control them as he could the Seven and the Nine, but they were nonetheless bound to the One ring.

The Elven smiths of Eregion (of which Celebrimbor was chief) made the Seven and the Nine with the assistance of Sauron (disguised as Annatar).

Crazy stuff. I bet If I tried to re-read the books I wouldn't like them now. Too detailed with a bunch of way out characters.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by ApolloOne

Since an elf can die of grief and despair (a broken heart, basically), it may be presumed that giving herself so fully to a mortal who will die is tantamount to giving up her immortality. So I suppose saying she has given it up is a prediction of how things will happen, given her current choice.

Oh I know, and that's how its described vaguely in the book and appendix of the book etc. from what I recall.

In the movie, it's more murky as you have her giving her grace to save Frodo, then the scene with the necklace and saying she chooses a mortal life, then the scene in ROTK where she drops the book and becomes cold etc., followed by Elrond saying she's dying as Sauron's power grows.

So it's murkier why she gives up her immortality, and it's definitely not clear in which of those specific moments it happens--though the scene with dropping the book and becoming cold seems most likely. But that then kind of makes the earlier scenes pointless.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Interesting.

I had always thought Sauron was able to control all of those possessing the rings of power, including the elves.

Did not know those three were an exception.

Well, it's pretty clear that Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf (who all had rings) weren't under his control. Otherwise they'd have been like the Nazgul.

Now that I said that, what happened to the Dwarven kings who had rings? Why didn't they become wraiths like the 9 men?

[Derezzed]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

the Seven and the Nine

*looking out window daydreaming*
mmmmmmmmm.....7 of 9.........mmmmmmm.

Ok....back to the regular thread.

[GlenR]

was why they felt like the Ents needed to be fooled in order to attack Isengard. The whole deal made for a really stupid scene. They vote to do nothing but Treebeard is fooled into taking Merry and Pippin on a route that goes by Isengard where he sees the destroyed forest and calls the Ents to war.

Really dumb because....

The Ents who are in tune with everything that goes on in the forest didn't know that thousands of trees had been cut down by orcs over a period of months? Not likely.

The Ents who would have gone their separate ways after the moot instantly appear at the forest edge seconds after Treebeard's call. Huh?

The Ents immediately change their minds? Too hasty.

The Hurons immediately start moving? Who told them to gather?

There was absolutely no reason to diverge from the book.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Well, it's pretty clear that Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf (who all had rings) weren't under his control. Otherwise they'd have been like the Nazgul.

Now that I said that, what happened to the Dwarven kings who had rings? Why didn't they become wraiths like the 9 men?

That’s an excellent point, I should have realized that. I guess I was just wasn’t thinking which elves received their rings. But you are right, Elrond was at the battle with Isildur.

And the dwarves in general are a question mark. I mean sure, Gimli showed up, but where were the other dwarves for the battle of Middle Earth. There had to be more than there were in the mines of Moria?

[Underworld54]

I'm so glad to see the thread being some what back on topic. I love to read the discussions about the finer points of these movies.

[GlenR]

Originally Posted by radagast

Yes it does matter. Words mean things. And there are folks that don't have English as their main language and it can make it difficult for them to understand what we are saying. It's lazy attitudes like that make it easy for non-English speaking people to look down on us.

So what your, OOPS you're saying is that you can't figure out what the meaning is from the context the word is used in? Or is this just a case of excessive anal retentiveness?

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

That’s an excellent point, I should have realized that. I guess I was just wasn’t thinking which elves received their rings. But you are right, Elrond was at the battle with Isildur.

And the dwarves in general are a question mark. I mean sure, Gimli showed up, but where were the other dwarves for the battle of Middle Earth. There had to be more than there were in the mines of Moria?

Dwarves and the Men of Dale were attacked by Easterlings sent by Sauron and thus unable to send participants down to Gondor.

Grandbob or Radagast I'm sure can add additional information on it as I believe most of that information comes from HoME or letters; both of which I'm not nearly as familiar with as I would like.

[Truewitt]

Originally Posted by radagast

It's lazy attitudes like that make it easy for non-English speaking people to look down on us.

So, I guess you're lazy too, with that awful grammar.

[kingkong650]

While all this discussion about the relative merits of book to film adaptations is fascinating, this thread is supposed to be about the extended edition blu-ray releases. So, getting back to that constant green tint on the fotr extended edition blu-ray...

Tomorrow I´ll post up some screencaps taken directly from the blu-ray of the council of elrond, with the same filter as before applied to remove the green tint. Look forward to it.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Tomorrow I´ll post up some screencaps directly from the blu-ray of the council of elrond, with the same filter as before applied to remove the green tint. Look forward to it.

That's two of us!

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Dwarves and the Men of Dale were attacked by Easterlings sent by Sauron and thus unable to send participants down to Gondor.

Grandbob or Radagast I'm sure can add additional information on it as I believe most of that information comes from HoME or letters; both of which I'm not nearly as familiar with as I would like.

Ok, thanks.

Was that indicated in the movie, or just in the book? I haven’t read the book in over 20 years and don’t remember a whole lot about it. And if it was in the movie, I guess I just missed it.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by GlenR

was why they felt like the Ents needed to be fooled in order to attack Isengard. The whole deal made for a really stupid scene. They vote to do nothing but Treebeard is fooled into taking Merry and Pippin on a route that goes by Isengard where he sees the destroyed forest and calls the Ents to war.

Really dumb because....

The Ents who are in tune with everything that goes on in the forest didn't know that thousands of trees had been cut down by orcs over a period of months? Not likely.

The Ents who would have gone their separate ways after the moot instantly appear at the forest edge seconds after Treebeard's call. Huh?

The Ents immediately change their minds? Too hasty.

The Hurons immediately start moving? Who told them to gather?

There was absolutely no reason to diverge from the book.

Exactly. Well thought out.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Hey guys: you are forgetting the green tint. Let's stay on topic.

We're trying to forget the green tint.

[m_burlock]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was said if the ring was destroyed the elf princess (Liv Tyler) would die? So how did she turn up alive at the end of ROTK?

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by m_burlock

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was said if the ring was destroyed the elf princess (Liv Tyler) would die? So how did she turn up alive at the end of ROTK?

I was figuring it was more if Frodo fails and the ring is back in the possession of Sauron, she dies. As if Aragorn REALLY needed another reason to succeed in his mission!

[radagast]

Originally Posted by GlenR

So what your, OOPS you're saying is that you can't figure out what the meaning is from the context the word is used in? Or is this just a case of excessive anal retentiveness?

I can figure it out fine. Where does it stop if we drop our standards? It isn't EAR to want people to use English correctly. Just like this sentence:

It's lazy attitudes like that make it easy for non-English speaking people to look down on us.

Although I expect that the writer simply forgot to add the word "which". That is a bit different than taking the time to think about which homophone to use.

How would you like to read a book full of misspellings? Or what about a legal document?

So spelling isn't important to you? If you have children, or ever have children, I'm sure they'll have a bright future.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by m_burlock

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was said if the ring was destroyed the elf princess (Liv Tyler) would die? So how did she turn up alive at the end of ROTK?

No, it was the opposite. Arwen was dying because the One Ring was still around, and she needed it to be destroyed otherwise she would die.

At least that’s how I remember it.

That’s also also one of the reasons Elrond wanted her to go to Valinor, as he said death awaited her (as he felt the quest to destroy the ring would fail).

[Member-115369]

Yes. Elrond said she was dying as Sauron grew stronger. Thus the ring needed destroyed to save her.