The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

There's been a good deal of posts here of people who can't tell the difference between "there, their, or they're" and we take them semi-seriously !

Originally Posted by radagast

Wow. Finally someone else is willing to say this. It drives me nuts when people here do stuff like that.

Originally Posted by radagast

I'm quite surprised, Grandbob.

If you are so into spelling it is Grand Bob then.

[Velmeran]

So could you imagine the backlash had this change actually made into the movies?

In The Two Towers movie by Peter Jackson, Arwen was originally supposed to appear with the host of Elves and fight at Helm's Deep alongside her lover, Aragorn. This was later cut from the film.

Not sure if cut from the film refers to it was actually filmed and cut, or if it was cut out prior to a shooting script being completed.

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Ok, thanks.

Was that indicated in the movie, or just in the book? I haven’t read the book in over 20 years and don’t remember a whole lot about it. And if it was in the movie, I guess I just missed it.

Never mentioned in the movie, not even sure if it was mentioned in the book (I don't recall it, but it's been a few years since I read LotR).

[beefytwinkie]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

While all this discussion about the relative merits of book to film adaptations is fascinating, this thread is supposed to be about the extended edition blu-ray releases. So, getting back to that constant green tint on the fotr extended edition blu-ray...

Tomorrow I´ll post up some screencaps taken directly from the blu-ray of the council of elrond, with the same filter as before applied to remove the green tint. Look forward to it.

I actually prefer to read about all the differences between the book and the movie. I had no idea the books were so different. I mean I knew they would be but, for example, I had no idea the time between Frodo leaving and Bilbo leaving was 17 years. Makes me want to go ahead and read the books now.

All that talk about the green tint was getting redundant. Did you notice how quiet the page became after the handful of people who kept on and on about the tint got suspended? If they come back I hope they get suspended again.

This thread shouldn't just be about the technical aspects of the Extended Edition blu-rays. I think it should also be about the movies themselves as well.

[Saturius]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

So could you imagine the backlash had this change actually made into the movies?

In The Two Towers movie by Peter Jackson, Arwen was originally supposed to appear with the host of Elves and fight at Helm's Deep alongside her lover, Aragorn. This was later cut from the film.

Not sure if cut from the film refers to it was actually filmed and cut, or if it was cut out prior to a shooting script being completed.
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This was well documented and known back then by the fandom. Most people didn't like Arwen's increased role in the the film's story so this probably would have been a disaster. But it was definitely shot. You can even see footage of her fighting on the DVDs. I don't know where since it's been years since I cracked out my EE dvds but it's there.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by Saturius

This was well documented and known back then by the fandom. Most people didn't like Arwen's increased role in the the film's story so this probably would have been a disaster. But it was definitely shot. You can even see footage of her fighting on the DVDs. I don't know where since it's been years since I cracked out my EE dvds but it's there.

Interesting.

Will have to look for that when I go over my TTT Appendices (I assume that’s where it would be at if it was fighting at Helm’s Deep).

And from what I understand, all the Appendices on the blu-ray extended are the exact same extras from the DVD Extended, correct?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Farid

Anything new happened today?

Instead of name calling many posters have resorted to grammar bashing. That's about it.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Interesting.

Will have to look for that when I go over my TTT Appendices (I assume that’s where it would be at if it was fighting at Helm’s Deep).

And from what I understand, all the Appendices on the blu-ray extended are the exact same extras from the DVD Extended, correct?

Correct. Several people are interviewed about that change, including Peter Jackson & Liv Tyler. Apparently, she spent weeks in sword training, and some scenes were filmed, only to be cut later on. She even admitted to reading some of her own press online, and broke down over fans who'd called her "Liv Tyler, Xena Warrior".

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

While all this discussion about the relative merits of book to film adaptations is fascinating, this thread is supposed to be about the extended edition blu-ray releases. So, getting back to that constant green tint on the fotr extended edition blu-ray...

Tomorrow I´ll post up some screencaps taken directly from the blu-ray of the council of elrond, with the same filter as before applied to remove the green tint. Look forward to it.

Both discussions are fascinating, although there is a specific thread for comparing the book to the movie, I think it may have been created for the TE edition. I have posed some questions in that thread which have been/are being answered. Of course, it's equally valid to suggest that the technical comments might be better in a LOTR thread dedicated to them. It seems to me that many of the technical posters are spending more time over at AVS on this issue. (not that there is anything wrong with that). Personally, I'd rather see them on Blu-ray.com.

Re the tint. After spending the last 20 minutes looking at the opening title sequences. (main menu) of each of the films, it appears that the color palette used on TTT and RotK are identical (I'm talking only about only these segments). On the menu, click the WB Live icon and look at the blue background on the pop up. If you can verify that the RGB values are identical on the TTT and RotK on that pop up, it implies that the opening title/menu page on FotR should be the same. If you agree, check some of the screen shot comparisons you have already provided against new ones after you match the 3 title/menu pages. Seems to me, if you do this, the level of confidence would be very high that you have accurately identified the qualities of the overlying tint.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Both discussions are fascinating, although there is a specific thread for comparing the book to the movie, I think it may have been created for the TE edition.

Nah, that thread is for any discussions about comparing the LOTR movies and books.

If we want to move some of that discussion there (i.e. if mods etc. don't feel it belongs here) here's a link:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/movies/149...s-book-14.html

Originally Posted by raygendreau

It seems to me that many of the technical posters are spending more time over at AVS on this issue. (not that there is anything wrong with that). Personally, I'd rather see them on Blu-ray.com.

I'd rather them stay over their since that site is 100% focused on technical issues and top end AV gear etc.

That said, I mainly just stick to the Movies forum here and don't venture over here much other than to check for release date announcements etc. since I'm not much into all that videophile stuff personally.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Nah, that thread is for any discussions about comparing the LOTR movies and books.

If we want to move some of that discussion there (i.e. if mods etc. don't feel it belongs here) here's a link:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/movies/149...s-book-14.html




I'd rather them stay over their since that site is 100% focused on technical issues and top end AV gear etc.

That said, I mainly just stick to the Movies forum here and don't venture over here much other than to check for release date announcements etc. since I'm not much into all that videophile stuff personally.

I wonder if two official threads should be started when a new movie review comes up; one for general discussion, and one for the technical discussion?

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Interesting.

I had always thought Sauron was able to control all of those possessing the rings of power, including the elves.

Did not know those three were an exception.

Sauron never touched the three Elven rings and therefore they were not under his dominion.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Now that I said that, what happened to the Dwarven kings who had rings? Why didn't they become wraiths like the 9 men?

The Dwarves were not as susceptible to being controlled by Sauron as the men who eventually became the Ringwraiths. Dragons eventually consumed four of the Dwarf's rings, and the other three were recaptured by Sauron. One of the recaptured Dwarf rings will figure into the plot of the Hobbit movie.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I wonder if two official threads should be started when a new movie review comes up; one for general discussion, and one for the technical discussion?

I'd be 100% for that personally. I'm interested in discussion of the overall release like packaging, special features etc. But don't care much about the technical stuff that tends to dominate most threads since I'm not an A/V enthusiast.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

The Dwarves were not as susceptible to being controlled by Sauron as the men who eventually became the Ringwraiths. Dragons eventually consumed four of the Dwarf's rings, and the other three were recaptured by Sauron. One of the recaptured Dwarf rings will figure into the plot of the Hobbit movie.

Thanks for the info Bob!

[gstriftos]

dmaul,a little more info about the rings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Power

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

This thread shouldn't just be about the technical aspects of the Extended Edition blu-rays. I think it should also be about the movies themselves as well.

Agreed. It can be about the technical and other aspects of the release.

I think both discussions can easily exist simultaneously. If we eliminate the arguing and bickering when the tint is discussed, the tint posts would be cut down by at least two-thirds. If you look back through the tint discussion, a good 60-70% of it is just arguing and re-stating opinions that were already stated. Only 25-30% of the tint-related posts are actually about analyzing, understanding or truly discussing the nature or effect of the tint

My suggestion: if you don't like the tint chat, simply discuss other things instead of commenting on and subsequently drawing additional attention to the discussion you don't enjoy. That would keep multiple discussions going at once, and give thread visitors a nice selection of topics to comment on, all of which apply to the LOTR EE release

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Agreed. It can be about the technical and other aspects of the release.

I think both discussions can easily exist simultaneously. If we eliminate the arguing and bickering when the tint is discussed, the tint posts would be cut down by at least two-thirds. If you look back through the tint discussion, a good 60-70% of it is just arguing and re-stating opinions that were already stated. Only 25-30% of the posts are actually about analyzing, understanding or truly discussing the nature or effect of the tint

My suggestion, if you don't like the tint chat, discuss other things. It will keep multiple discussions going at once, and give thread visitors a nice selection of topics to comment on, all of which apply to the LOTR EE release

Well said,let's hope people take note.

[goodluckchuck]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Hey guys: you are forgetting the green tint. Let's stay on topic.

You really made me laugh.

[MEB]

A cinematographer weighs in on FOTR EE Blu-ray:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3253

Mark

[goodluckchuck]

Originally Posted by MEB

A cinematographer weighs in on FOTR EE Blu-ray:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3253

Mark

I will never adjust my TV settings for a movie, not if it was messed around with. I would do it with movies that may look better (like he stated for Ghostbusters), but not for something deliberately or accidentally passed through quality control as this FOTR case. That is not how I remember LOTR, as much redundant as people may think some of us posters are for stating repeatedly our positions.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

I figured out a FIX for EVERYONE!!! Try this, and see if the FOTR EE looks "correct" with the added color-timing, and black levels!

On our HDTV, I changed the HUE setting 6 notches to the Green side! Went from a setting at R2, over to G4. Once I did that, everything looked absolutely correct again!

Perhaps in re-authoring the FOTR EE, the default Hue setting was "off" by a few notches.

I am not kidding, try it out, and let us know what you think!

Doing this keeps the proper black levels, and resets title whites back to "white", snow whites back to "white", blue skies back to "blue", Gandalf the Grey back to "grey". It is amazing.

NOTE: Each of you may need to change the Hue by more or less than I have, but on our Sony KDL-40XBR4 it turned out to be 6 notches toward the G side of Hue.

Let us know your results

I used the shot of the ring in the snow as my guide. If you get that to nearly white (maybe a slight hint of blue) and you're set for the whole film.

I do want to thank you for the green tint pointer. That was what took my TV fix to perfect. I truly implore any doubter of the teal tint to really try this method. It is a revelation of color and a very solid indicator that there really is a problem with the Blu-ray. Also, as was mentioned earlier, having various colors and not a solid tint does present more detail due to the variance in color contrast.

Seriously, if you have any doubts, give this a try.


EDIT: Plus, the white snow is easier to see than the white Fellowship title.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by goodluckchuck

I will never adjust my TV settings for a movie, not if it was messed around with. I would do it with movies that may look better (like he stated for Ghostbusters), but not for something deliberately or accidentally passed through quality control as this FOTR case. That is not how I remember LOTR, as much redundant as people may think some of us posters are for stating repeatedly our positions.

I agree never adjust your settings

However on my professionally calibrated TV it looks awesome.

Also the internet being the internet...I am not sure how much I would believe that someone in a forum post said they were a cinematographer.

But remember as far as we know the FOTR changes are NOT an error. The WB response says it was as the director intended. The only person that can prove otherwise is PJ coming out with an offical statement stating whether there is an error or it is how he wants it.

People can speculate all they want and derive all their own conclusions. It all boils down to pure speculation until he makes a statement.