The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

I think the main thing I don't like about the story is that in ROTK, the main battle is won because of ghosts. Honestly, why didn't Aragorn just say to Theoden "I'm going to try to convince the army of the dead to fight for us. Just give me a little while. If they agree, we can sit this one out"? I know, it was braver of them to fight also, but think of all the lives that wouldn't have been lost if the people of Rohan just stayed out of it.

In the book, the Army of the Dead is only used at the Battle of Pelargir; where they took out the battled the Corsair ships and additional Haradrim.

After that, they were released from their oath and didn't take part in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields (in the book the Grey Company showed up towards the end of the battle).

In the movie, this is one of the moments that you just scratch your head and have the thought you mentioned of; why didn't they just send the Army of the Dead to kill everyone then to kill all the orcs in Mordor?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by MEB

The guy has been a participant on AVS for 5 years and his prior messages are available there for you to read. His knowledge and experience with cinematography and the movie business come through in many of his posts. Surely you aren't suggesting that he's been "pretending" for 5 years just so he could diss FOTR?


Mark

I tend to agree as that seems rather doubtful.

Anyway, if you or others know him, invite him over to Blu-ray.com, for if his credentials check out and can be verified by the Site Administrator or Owners, this site would surely be happy to add another qualified Insider to its ranks.

I, for one, am especially fond of cinematographers.

[MerrickG]

I have a question for someone who has read the book because it was completely unclear to me in the movie:

In the movie Gandalf the Grey was defeated by Saruman the White in a wizards duel. I assume that whichever wizard holds the title of White is therefore the leader and most powerful.

My question is after Gandalf is killed, how is he able to be resurrected to become Gandalf the White and how does that make him more powerful than Saruman all of the sudden?

Also how is it that the Nazgul has the power to break the staff of Gandalf and cant be killed by a man?

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

In the movie, this is one of the moments that you just scratch your head and have the thought you mentioned of; why didn't they just send the Army of the Dead to kill everyone then to kill all the orcs in Mordor?

The simple answer is that the battle started before the army of Rohan could arrive at Minas Tirith and before Aragorn could make it their on the Corsair ships with the Army of the dead.

Once they got their the dead instantly attack and win the battle.

The only part I scratched my head at was releasing them right after that rather than making them stick around for the battle at the black gates and then releasing them.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by merrick97

My question is after Gandalf is killed, how is he able to be resurrected to become Gandalf the White and how does that make him more powerful than Saruman all of the sudden?

In a nutshell, it seems the gods that sent the Wizards to help the people of middle earth basically promoted Gandalf to the white wizard and sent him back to finish his task, while demoting Saruman for his treachery with siding with Sauron.

It's not something that's discussed in detail in the book, but maybe some of the History of Middle Earth books or other collections detail it more. So maybe Grand Bob or others who've studied those have a more detailed response.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by MEB

The guy has been a participant on AVS for 5 years and his prior messages are available there for you to read. His knowledge and experience with cinematography and the movie business come through in many of his posts. Surely you aren't suggesting that he's been "pretending" for 5 years just so he could diss FOTR?

That sounds like its from the "Mom & Pop Store" Seinfeld episode:

ELAINE: So. Mom and Pop's plan was to move into the neighborhood...establish trust...for 48 years. And then, run off with Jerry's sneakers.

KRAMER: Apparently.

We want Seinfeld on blu !!

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

The only part I scratched my head at was releasing them right after that rather than making them stick around for the battle at the black gates and then releasing them.

Aragorn was simply honoring his word. It speaks to his characters nobility and illustrates why he is king.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Aragorn was simply honoring his word. It speaks to his characters nobility and illustrates why he is king.

He just asked them to fight for him, and then he'd release them.

He didn't say how long or how many battles they had to fight! So I could see it as still being ok to his word to have them also march to the black gates and be released after that battle.

Anyway, that whole army of the dead thing was one thing I never liked about the book/movie anyway. Just seems like a bit of a deus ex machina for having them overcome insurmountable odds.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

This process is not intended for the menu pages. Those who have the original EE DVDs will recall that the FOTR EE Menu was slightly green, the TT EE Menu slightly red, and the ROTK Menu slightly blue.



The procedure I described is for FOTR EE Blu Film alone.



Good try though

The BD EE TTT and RotK menu pages are both blue (click on any item in the menu text of either of those disks and look at the color. Looks exactly the same to me on both disk menus. It seems reasonable that the FotR menu text should be the same blue color. I'm making the assumption that color on the menus should be consistent across all three BD EE disk menus. i.e, they did not recreate the green,red, blue theme that they used on the DVD EEs on the menu text. The green, red, blue theme is maintained in part on the BD EE book covers, although you never see the unopened cover on the TTT menu page. Without the blanket tint on FotR (subjectively alledged)(objectively present), the book cover on the title menu page would still be green, but the pop up menu text would be blue. Hope that isn't too confusing.

So, it seems to me that the hue correction you suggest, should work for the title page menu text on the FotR EE BD. Why would it not?

If the menu text color differences aren't convincing, click on the WB Live icon at the end of the menu on all three disks and look at the background color/fill in the pop up. To my eyes, it's the same blue on TTT and RotK, and green on FotR. That is inconsistent. To be consistent, the menu text and pop up fill would have to be be red on the TTT EE BD or blue on the FotR EE BD. So either green, red, blue or blue. blue, blue. I doubt that that obvious inconsistency was intentional. Anyone agree with me?

Thanks for your response as well Joenostalgia23.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

He just asked them to fight for him, and then he'd release them.

He didn't say how long or how many battles they had to fight! So I could see it as still being ok to his word to have them also march to the black gates and be released after that battle.

True, it can be seen that way. It did however seem understood between Aragorn and the Dead King that they had fulfilled their end of the bargain after the initial battle.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

There's been a good deal of posts here of people who can't tell the difference between "there, their, or they're" and we take them semi-seriously!

See my tag. It should make you happy.

[WorkShed]

Nice.

"I could care less..."



That's another one that gets me.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Nice.

"I could care less..."



That's another one that gets me.

That's supposed to be couldn't= Could not WorkShed. Yes, I know you know that.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

In a nutshell, it seems the gods that sent the Wizards to help the people of middle earth basically promoted Gandalf to the white wizard and sent him back to finish his task, while demoting Saruman for his treachery with siding with Sauron.

It's not something that's discussed in detail in the book, but maybe some of the History of Middle Earth books or other collections detail it more. So maybe Grand Bob or others who've studied those have a more detailed response.

That is correct. The wizards were sent by the Valar to instruct and train the peoples of Middle-earth, and are essentially representatives of Eru ("God"). Unfortunately, similar to Men, they are capable of failing. Saruman, originally head of the Order, "fails" by succumbing to the desire of power and domination, while Gandalf succeeds by sacrificing himself to save others. Gandalf is therefore resurrected by Eru to become head of the Order. Contrary to what is shown in the movie, his staff was NOT, and could not have been broken by the Witch-king, a scene that was utterly absurd.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Troy73

That's supposed to be couldn't= Could not WorkShed. Yes, I know you know that.

Can you not read? Don't you know that I was making a joke?!

[Show spoiler] Nicely played, sir.

[jebhdb]

I find it odd that people get so frustrated that someone else's opinion does not match their own. I am glad that so many are able to enjoy this release and find no fault with it. I truly am. But I don't see why people on either side are getting angry at those with opposing views. I personally believe there is an error with the current version of Fellowship because of the following:

The subtitles and menu text contain the tint as well as the movie. This makes no sense to me.

Previous supplemental features detailing how Peter Jackson wanted a warm color to certain scenes contradicts the new tint.

The tint is applied uniformly throughout the movie. I could understand applying a different color timing to certain scenes, but I can't believe Peter Jackson would apply the exact same shift to every scene in the movie.

If Peter Jackson prefers a shift towards green then why didn't TTT and RotK receive the same treatment as Fellowship. It would seem to me that Jackson would want uniformity between the three releases. Why would he change the color of one movie and not the others?

If this is Peter Jackson's preferred color timing for Fellowship why have we not seen it prior to now? Why did the original theatrical presentation, the original dvd presentation, the theatrical blu ray presentation not have this color timing?

Is it possible that Peter Jackson has been so busy with the Hobbit in recent years that he had little input with the EE blu rays?

Again, I am not trying to pick a fight or tell anyone they are wrong. I am not being facetious when I say that I am glad others are pleased with this release. It is obvious that there are many factors that affect peoples enjoyment of these releases such as calibration, personal settings, etc. But in my opinion there is evidence that there is an error regarding the transfer of Fellowship. Those that are happy with this release really have nothing to lose either way. If it is correct that there is no error then those who are happy with the current disc have had the luxury of enjoying their purchase while others have set on the fence hoping for a different version. If there is an error with the disc a corrected version would be released and everyone will be able to choose whether to exchange the current version or not. Regardless of who's right or wrong can't we all just get along?

[kurtlingle]

Ok,

I've read all 150 (or is it now 250) pages of the "green" issue.
Not sure if anyone brought this point up, so here goes....

- It seems that some people may be more aware of the "green" than others. Isn't it possible that Peter Jackson is not one of those people? If so, then the "green" would like just fine to him, right? In other words, it's hard to say which side his eyes "sit in" on this argument/discussion.

- Another thought. It seems, that those who see the green as very strong/pervasive -- they seem to think those who don't see it as pervasive are (partially) color blind, or maybe don't see as well (or their TV is not setup right). Is it not possible that those who see to much green actually have the issue?

Not trying to start a fight. I'd like to hear Ken's thoughts on it. I mean, it's all conjecture and I guess won't "fix" this issue. But I was thinking about it over the weekend and thought I'd post it.

Thoughts to ponder.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Contrary to what is shown in the movie, his staff was NOT, and could not have been broken by the Witch-king, a scene that was utterly absurd.

It provided a dramatic scene in the film, though, which is what it was intended to do.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

It provided a dramatic scene in the film, though, which is what it was intended to do.

More dramatic, yes, but at the expense of trivializing the plot and negating a primary thematic issue.

[FrodoBagginz]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

why didn't they just send the Army of the Dead to kill everyone then to kill all the orcs in Mordor?

Aragorn and the rest of them didn't know that they were going to have one last battle at Mordor so he released the dead army thinking he doesn't need them anymore. It was only after a meeting with the rest of the fellowship later on, well after Aragorn released the dead, discussing Frodo behind the gates that they come up with the plan to distract the army.

I am sure that if Aragorn knew at that time they were going to Mordor he would have asked the army to fight at Mordor and he would have freed them.