The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

I like the box, I think its very very very good packaging, but it could be better. I was really hoping for a BD version of the EE DVD's, that packaging was beautiful. If I wasn't so OCD about my BD's I would do what some others have suggested and just put my BD versions in the DVD cases...

Yeah, that was another complaint of mine about the set. I feel they should have kept the book look of the dvds and just shrank the cases down to bluray size.

The cases we did get are still pretty good in their own right though.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by radagast

Gandalf was going to stop the Witch-King from entering Minas Tirith. I feel he would have been successful. But then two unexpected events occur. First Rohan arrives and the Witch-King rides away to take on the new enemy. Second, Denethor loses it and is going to kill himself and Faramir. Pippin begs Gandalf to intervene. Gandalf is torn between saving Faramir and taking on the Witch-King on the battle field. Gandalf knows that if he saves Faramir, that bad things will happen without someone to stop the Witch-King.

Aragorn certainly made an invaluable contribution to the battle by removing the Corsairs of Umbar from the other side.

Well, that was questionable on whether Gandalf was going to be able to stop the Witch-King. He did have his staff shattered, which gave me the impression at the time he was not going to be strong enough. But who knows, maybe he would have pulled out some large magic to stop him. *shrugs*

But besides the Witch-King entering Minas Tirith, with the overwhelming forces of Sauron assaulting Minas Tirith, I felt it would have fallen anyways without the help of Aragorn and his undead army.

My question was basically, coming from Tolkien’s explanation of when Gandalf would involve himself…"physical powers of the Enemy are too great for the good of will opposers to be effective".

My point is I felt the physical powers of Sauron’s army was too great for the opposers (good people of Middle-Earth) to be effective. So wouldn’t Gandalf do something to even the scales? Or did he feel confident (know) that Aragon was going to be returning with his undead army to save the day?

And yes, I know I am really analyzing it. This is why I said earlier I am not being critical, I really love the LotR trilogy, and I mean the books and movies.

I just find this fun to debate about it.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Talking about this is a WHOLE lot more fun than talking about the green issue over and over.

100% for sure! I'm not much of an A/V enthusiast, so I couldn't care less about those kind of debates.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Yeah, that was another complaint of mine about the set. I feel they should have kept the book look of the dvds and just shrank the cases down to bluray size.

The cases we did get are still pretty good in their own right though.

at least they kept the alan lee artwork, which is just stunning in every respect.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

I like the box, I think its very very very good packaging, but it could be better. I was really hoping for a BD version of the EE DVD's, that packaging was beautiful. If I wasn't so OCD about my BD's I would do what some others have suggested and just put my BD versions in the DVD cases...

I prefer the new packaging. The foldout cases from the DVDs looked beautiful, but where a bit cumbersome with having to fold it out to get the discs out.

I'm not much of a collector in the sense that I don't care what packaging looks like really, and just want it to be functional and take up as little space on myself as possible.

Hell, I can see myself not owning any movie discs years down the road when we can hopefully just stream anything we want instantly. I hate clutter in the house.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Hell, I can see myself not owning any movie discs years down the road when we can hopefully just stream anything we want instantly. I hate clutter in the house.

HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How dare you say such a thing in a bluray forum!!!!!!!!!!!

[J.Cornelius]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

The Elves would only have been affected by the Ring if Sauron had recaptured it. After learning what was known of the craft from the Elves (primarily Celebrimbor), Sauron made the Ring with the intention of controlling all Rings of Power. The possessors of the seven Dwarf Rings and the nine rings for men were already under his control because Sauron made those rings. Had he obtained the One Ring, the thoughts of those possessing the Elven Rings would also have been known to him, and he would have had complete domination of the world. Arwen's fate was not tied to the Ring; that was a plot 'enhancement' of the movie.



A more accurate phrase would have been, "the time of the elves in Middle-earth has passed". To make a (very) long story short, the Elves originally inhabited Middle-earth, but were expected to migrate to Valinor (the immortal lands) to live with the Valar, or angelic powers. A great portion of them came back to Middle-earth in the quest of recapturing the Silmarils (great jewels) that Morgoth (Satan) stole. After Morgoth was defeated in the greatest battle in the history of the World, most of the Elves returned to Valinor, but a few remained at the time of the Lord of the Rings, notably at The Grey Havens, Rivendell, Mirkwood, and Lothlorien. Rivendell and Lothlorien possessed some of the splendor of the undying lands due to the power of the Elven Rings. After the One Ring was destroyed, the Elven Rings also lost their power, thus most of the remaining Elves returned to Valinor. As a result, Middle-earth is now mostly populated by Men. Therefore, this is the "time for men". The Elves, being immortal, would of course hypothetically still be alive

To touch on Grand Bob's point, a passage between Fordo & Galadriel:

"Verily it is in the land of Lorien upon the finger of Galadriel that one of the three remains. This is Nenya, the ring of the Adamant, and I am its keeper. He suspects, but does not know- not yet. Do you not see now wherefore your coming is to us as the footstep of Doom? For if you fail, then we are laid bare to the enemy. Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlorien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and cave, slowly to forget and to be forgotten."

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by Boob-Ray

Golly...this thread. There are several threads (Star Wars, Criterion, This) that should really have their own sub-forum. I was just curious about the opinions on the new EE box. But I don't feel like paging through a health care bill to find it.

The review by Ken Brown was all I needed to justify my decision to purchase, though I did take into account the review on The Digital Bits as well.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by merrick97

HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How dare you say such a thing in a bluray forum!!!!!!!!!!!

I mainly just post in the Movies forum here for the most part, as it's one of the more civil movie discussion forums I've found.

I'm a fan of movies, not dvds or blu ray or whatever format they're currently best delivered on.

I move pretty often in recent years for work, have found myself mainly only watching movies from netflix rather than any of the 300 some I have on the shelf on BR/DVD, and live in a small condo where space is at a premium.

So between those I've drastically cut back my movie buying the past few years and could definitely see myself moving on to just streaming movies down the road when nearly everything is available and quality is improved as internet speeds rise etc.

[DarkDune]

Can I just say that we -- collectively -- couldn't have asked for a better director and team of writers, actors, and artists to bring the Lord of the Rings to the silver screen, and home on Blu-ray.

We are all very fortunate for that.

Can't say as much for Narnia though.

LOL

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Can I just say that we -- collectively -- couldn't have asked for a better director and team of writers, actors, and artists to bring the Lord of the Rings to the silver screen, and home on Blu-ray.

We are all very fortunate for that.

Can't say as much for Narnia though.

LOL

Yes, I am still in amazement as to how PJ (whose previous directing credits included B-movies like Braindead and Meet the Feebles) was able to convince Robert Shaye that he was the right guy to make a $300 million investment for Lord of the Rings.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Can I just say that we -- collectively -- couldn't have asked for a better director and team of writers, actors, and artists to bring the Lord of the Rings to the silver screen, and home on Blu-ray.

We are all very fortunate for that.

Can't say as much for Narnia though.

LOL

Sorry, I don't like Boyens, I think they could have gotten better.

[BriTx]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Sorry, I don't like Boyens, I think they could have gotten better.

Agreed!

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Sorry, I don't like Boyens, I think they could have gotten better.

Originally Posted by BriTx

Agreed!

but if we had to take Boyens to get PJ and Walsh, I think we would all agree to take the bad in order to get the good.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Hobbun

Well, that was questionable on whether Gandalf was going to be able to stop the Witch-King. He did have his staff shattered, which gave me the impression at the time he was not going to be strong enough. But who knows, maybe he would have pulled out some large magic to stop him. *shrugs*

But besides the Witch-King entering Minas Tirith, with the overwhelming forces of Sauron assaulting Minas Tirith, I felt it would have fallen anyways without the help of Aragorn and his undead army.

My question was basically, coming from Tolkien’s explanation of when Gandalf would involve himself…"physical powers of the Enemy are too great for the good of will opposers to be effective".

My point is I felt the physical powers of Sauron’s army was too great for the opposers (good people of Middle-Earth) to be effective. So wouldn’t Gandalf do something to even the scales? Or did he feel confident (know) that Aragon was going to be returning with his undead army to save the day?

And yes, I know I am really analyzing it. This is why I said earlier I am not being critical, I really love the LotR trilogy, and I mean the books and movies.

I just find this fun to debate about it.

Gandalf's staff was shattered in the movie, NOT in the book.

[JTStarkiller]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Sorry, I don't like Boyens, I think they could have gotten better.

Why is that? (Not in an angry tone, just curious.) Were there certain elements of the films you didn't like that she was responsible for?

[radagast]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Yes, I am still in amazement as to how PJ (whose previous directing credits included B-movies like Braindead and Meet the Feebles) was able to convince Robert Shaye that he was the right guy to make a $300 million investment for Lord of the Rings.

As I understand it, PJ had some sort of presentation which demonstrated the scope of what he wanted to do. It must have been one amazing presentation!

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by radagast

As I understand it, PJ had some sort of presentation which demonstrated the scope of what he wanted to do. It must have been one amazing presentation!

I would have loved to see that presentation, because it would take a LOT to convince me to make a $300M investment in a director who's previous directing credits were low-budget horror flicks.

But it ended up being the best decision Robert Shaye made as New Line president and was really the last good decision he made.

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by radagast

Gandalf's staff was shattered in the movie, NOT in the book.

You mean turned to dust.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

Why is that? (Not in an angry tone, just curious.) Were there certain elements of the films you didn't like that she was responsible for?

In my opinion, Tolkien's story is perfect. And as Radagast pointed out to me sometime ago, reminding me of some of the comments that she made on the Appendices. Thinking so much of herself that she actually points out some of Tolkiens weaknesses and actually improves them for the screenplay.

Now if she would actually say something like "I think this worked better for the dramatic element we were going for in the film" thats one thing, but to say Tolkien's version wasn't good, mine is better, is just pure crap.

Originally Posted by radagast

Gandalf's staff was shattered in the movie, NOT in the book.

Uh oh, in steps Radagast the Strong to smite thee!!! That's just a joke, I hate that scene as much as he does...