The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

dmaul1114, thanks for the reply.

You mentioned that if they choose to stay then they will lose their immortality... so technically the elves are not immortal while on Middle Earth but instead just have an extended lifespan while becoming immortal when they reach Valinor?

I'm not sure on that one.

My guess is was that they still had their immortality while in middle earth through this third age (which ended with the destroying of the ring) but would lose it to stay longer since the time of the elves in middle earth was past.

But that's just a guess.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Maggot

I've got to say, I was one of the green tint haters, but the majority of it looks fine. I still consider it a mistake, but I'll just hold onto my TE or punch up the warmth a bit on the TV for this movie. Interesting enough, now the 2nd and 3rd movies look more natural instead of the other way around like it used to be. On a side note, I've been watch the newly released It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World and to be honest, that blows away any of the Lord of the Rings Blu-rays in terms of color and texture detail. There's something about those older movies, especially shot on 65-70mm or whatever it was that just looks stunning. The Ten Commandments has that look and so will Ben Hur. As good as today's film stock can be, and they are excellent, they simply can't match some of these older titles.

How the amazing human brain resolves color anomalies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_constancy

http://ivrg.epfl.ch/research/past_to...daptation.html

And, if that's not enough, what would you say if I told you that our sun was green? Not the moon, we all know the green cheese story was a lie.

http://atmoz.org/blog/2007/12/14/what-color-is-the-sun/

There will be no closure for some of you until some official statement from film makers or post processing is made. I wonder if anyone who has posed complaints or concerns to WBHE have received replies? Plently of questions on facebook, but not a reply to be found.

For those hoping for a replacement try this pure speculation on for size: Internally, the problem has been acknowledged. WBHE is carefully examining contracts in the entire production/post production chain to see where the problem occured and whether they can ding them for the cost of the replacement program. That may take a while, since they are under no time constraints and sales are going well.

While they're working that out, I will just let my amazing human brain sort out the anomalies and enjoy these exellent BDs. I sincerely hope all of you can do the same.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

There will be no closure until some official statement from film makers or post
processing is made.

I have personal closure as I watched it and thought it looked fine, so I'm happy with my purchase. If there's green tint there, it didn't hinder my enjoyment of the film.

If they would happen to end up announcing it's a mistake and offering replacements I may still swap, but only if it's a fairly painless process of just requesting them and not having to mail in the current discs etc.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I have personal closure as I watched it and thought it looked fine, so I'm happy with my purchase. If there's green tint there, it didn't hinder my enjoyment of the film.

If they would happen to end up announcing it's a mistake and offering replacements I may still swap, but only if it's a fairly painless process of just requesting them and not having to mail in the current discs etc.

Corrected.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

While they're working that out, I will just let my amazing human brain sort out the anomalies and enjoy these exellent BDs. I sincerely hope all of you can do the same.

I have watched FotR about three times now, and for the most part, it is fantastic. My brain still hasn't completely convinced me though. I wish it was a little more amazing(the video quality and my brain).

beefytwinkie, if you want to know a little more about the Elves of Middle-earth , check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf_(Middle-earth)

Scroll down to History/Origins.

[flodsby]

Not to stir the pot, but I just watched the appendices for the two towers, and there is a section where they are talking about digital grading.

PJ actually says that he tries to work all the way to deadline and never gets to where he actually wants the movie to be where he wants it.

I'm not trying to start a whole new debate, but I think everyone should watch the whole of the extras before passing judgement.

And I also saw on this thread earlier that someone(I think dru) said that actually dialing the green tint up solved the tint problem. And others backed him up.

Thoughts?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by flodsby

Not to stir the pot, but I just watched the appendices for the two towers, and there is a section where they are talking about digital grading.

PJ actually says that he tries to work all the way to deadline and never gets to where he actually wants the movie to be where he wants it.

I'm not trying to start a whole new debate, but I think everyone should watch the whole of the extras before passing judgement.

And I also saw on this thread earlier that someone(I think dru) said that actually dialing the green tint up solved the tint problem. And others backed him up.

Thoughts?

I played around with the tint, at Balin's tomb in the Mines of Moria, where the beam of light is shining on the tomb. If I go towards red, it becomes very green, and if I go towards green, it becomes very blue.
Weird!

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Aerodude73

A few mins. after 4pm, my front door opened & I saw the UPS guy walking away.

[Show spoiler]I kind of knew what it was & had to go out my back door & around to get it (my massive BD case is kind of in the way of the front door opening fully)

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So I opened the pkg & here is what I found:

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Beautifully put together set, no dings, marks, nothing.

Awesome! Thanks for the pics - that's what i was looking for! Are the movies in black amray cases? I'm waiting on mine to arrive - cannot wait...

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

I was reading some wikipedia pages about The Lord of the Rings and I was wondering about the purpose (for a lack of a better word) of Valinor. I remember in the movies it was said the elves would go there never to return.

Was it a choice for them to go there and never return? If the elves did go there, are they allowed to return to Rivendell or wherever they are from? What if the elves didn't want to go to Valinor? Is it a requirement of all elves?

Valinor was simply the land of the Valar, or "Powers" (immortal beings). They built it after their abode on Almaren was destroyed by Melkor, Tolkien's equivalent of Satan. Valinor was a portion of the Undying Lands, generally known as Aman. The Elves, who originally lived in Middle-earth (on the shore of the Sea of Helcar, which no longer existed by the time of LotR) were encouraged to relocate to Valinor, as a gesture of kindness by the Powers to save them from Melkor, who was capturing them (his "experiments" with them led to the breeding of the first orcs). Most of the Elves were ferried to Valinor on an island which later became known as Tol Erresea ("Elvenhome"), but some later returned to Middle-earth to fight Melkor, now renamed Morgoth, for stealing the great jewels known as the Silmarils. Galadriel was one of these Elves, known as the Noldor. After Morgoth was defeated, most of the Elves returned to Valinor, but some remained, notably Gil-galad - the only remaining Elven-king of the Noldor, Cirdan, Galadriel, Elrond, and others that are mentioned in LotR and The Hobbit.

Men who fought with the Elves against Morgoth were rewarded with their own island of Numenor; the first Numenorean king was Elros, brother of Elrond; Aragorn was the last. Most of the Numenoreans were eventually corrupted by Sauron and tried to obtain immortality by sailing to Valinor. As a result, Numenor was destroyed, and Valinor was physically removed from the Earth to prevent mortals from attempting to sail there again. The Elves were still permitted to "sail" there from the Grey Havens near the Shire. A few mortals also obtained special permission to do so for their part in the War of the Ring, including Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, and Gimli.

Note: It was not a requirement for the Elves to go to Valinor, but there was little reason for them to stay in Middle-earth after the Third Age, when very few were left. It may be assumed that a few of the "die-hards" remained.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by horizonline

Your talking about one film with regards to investment meaning for my reply that 300m is a large sum for someone making the investment.

Lets look again. ^ I said the sum total of 300m is not a large sum. If your a writer, a producer, or a director and you want someone involved on your project than 300m will be a fraction of your investment depending on how many there are. In other words, the investment is not always the difference between a risk of doing well and not doing well. I would consider 900m an investment that I would exercise caution with, and make sure your product is worth releasing.

Let's look again at what? The three movies cost about $300 million, not $900 million. Or are you saying that $300 million isn't a large sum but $900 million is? If so, where do you draw the line? And remember that at the time these movies were made that was a gigantic sum of money to put on making three movies. It may well have been the largest ever at that time. If that is the train of thought, then your brevity is causing ambiguity.

[MerrickG]

I'm at a bar right now and they are actually serving green beer. I decided to order a glass in honor of this thread.

[beefytwinkie]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Valinor was basically the land of gods and angels (elves, wizards etc.). Kind of a heaven on earth thing. Not actual heaven were the gods resided, but the closest to that on earth. If I recall correctly, the elves started there and then some left for middle earth with the Silmarils and others followed etc.

I'm sure Grand Bob and others can be mor detailed, but that was the gist I got from reading the Silmarillion a good while back (so my memory isn't very fresh).

As for the elves' choice, I think they could choose to stay like Arwen did, though it would mean losing their immortality.

Originally Posted by frogmort

Valinor is essentially Heaven. Middle-earth is this Earth, just the middle time period. It was just their time to go there, as it was the time for Men on Earth, which is us and our time. Also, I think they may have left to avoid all of the contrast/tint issues and arguments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valinor

Edit: dmaul beat me to it, but yes Grand Bob could probably explain it better.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I'm not sure on that one.

My guess is was that they still had their immortality while in middle earth through this third age (which ended with the destroying of the ring) but would lose it to stay longer since the time of the elves in middle earth was past.

But that's just a guess.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Valinor was simply the land of the Valar, or "Powers" (immortal beings). They built it after their abode on Almaren was destroyed by Melkor, Tolkien's equivalent of Satan. Valinor was a portion of the Undying Lands, generally known as Aman. The Elves, who originally lived in Middle-earth (on the shore of the Sea of Helcar, which no longer existed by the time of LotR) were encouraged to relocate to Valinor, as a gesture of kindness by the Powers to save them from Melkor, who was capturing them (his "experiments" with them led to the breeding of the first orcs). Most of the Elves were ferried to Valinor on an island which later became known as Tol Erresea ("Elvenhome"), but some later returned to Middle-earth to fight Melkor, now renamed Morgoth, for stealing the great jewels known as the Silmarils. Galadriel was one of these Elves, known as the Noldor. After Morgoth was defeated, most of the Elves returned to Valinor, but some remained, notably Gil-galad - the only remaining Elven-king of the Noldor, Cirdan, Galadriel, Elrond, and others that are mentioned in LotR and The Hobbit.

Men who fought with the Elves against Morgoth were rewarded with their own island of Numenor; the first Numenorean king was Elros, brother of Elrond; Aragorn was the last. Most of the Numenoreans were eventually corrupted by Sauron and tried to obtain immortality by sailing to Valinor. As a result, Numenor was destroyed, and Valinor was physically removed from the Earth to prevent mortals from attempting to sail there again. The Elves were still permitted to "sail" there from the Grey Havens near the Shire. A few mortals also obtained special permission to do so for their part in the War of the Ring, including Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, and Gimli.

Note: It was not a requirement for the Elves to go to Valinor, but there was little reason for them to stay in Middle-earth after the Third Age, when very few were left. It may be assumed that a few of the "die-hards" remained.

Cool. This is good readin'. Thanks for the replies and the patience. Even though I have seen the movies it is very apparent I'm still a complete boob, I mean noob, when it comes to Tolkien's world. Looks like I have some fun homework this weekend!

[flodsby]

I have to say as someone who has read the LOTR trilogy, Hobbit, and the Silmarillion many times, I do nothing but refer to the PJ movies as an adaption of the books, not a literal one, but a rather faithful one.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I was watching the bonus features and from a distance (a must for 480p) the colors of Fellowship look better.

also surprised since you said at the theater you didn't mind the green tint and overall change in the color of FOTR since its the same on the blu rays why suddenly the change of heart?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I have personal closure as I watched it and thought it looked fine, so I'm happy with my purchase. If there's green tint there, it didn't hinder my enjoyment of the film.

If they would happen to end up announcing it's a mistake and offering replacements I may still swap, but only if it's a fairly painless process of just requesting them and not having to mail in the current discs etc.

it would be a nightmare for warner if they have lied about there not being a mistake on the transfer. Thats why i don't think they have lied when they gave their announcement on the matter

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by mredman

also surprised since you said at the theater you didn't mind the green tint and overall change in the color of FOTR since its the same on the blu rays why suddenly the change of heart?

Do you really have to turn everybody's comments around on them. We don't need to keep on turning things around. Everybody's opinion is their own and don't need someone questioning everything they say. That's what people get suspended for. Just keep it civil.

I don't mean to be mean, but it seams to me that you always try to bring out the worst of a conversation and ride on with it. Do you own the new BD's? Do you like them? What do you think?...

When you answer those (which I'm not sure if you have or not) then you can speak your peace. I just think that when I come on here everyday and see you post the same thing everyday it just gets a little old. I may get banned for saying this to you, but I can stand it anymore.

EDIT: Sorry I actually meant to quote both:

Originally Posted by mredman

it would be a nightmare for warner if they have lied about there not being a mistake on the transfer. Thats why i don't think they have lied when they gave their announcement on the matter

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by mredman

also surprised since you said at the theater you didn't mind the green tint and overall change in the color of FOTR since its the same on the blu rays why suddenly the change of heart?

I don't mind it. I just think the old colors look better and I have changed my mind on the consistency issue. Going from Fellowship to Towers and seeing better coloring is a letdown.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by flodsby

Do you really have to turn everybody's comments around on them. We don't need to keep on turning things around. Everybody's opinion is their own and don't need someone questioning everything they say. That's what people get suspended for. Just keep it civil.

I don't mean to be mean, but it seams to me that you always try to bring out the worst of a conversation and ride on with it. Do you own the new BD's? Do you like them? What do you think?...

When you answer those (which I'm not sure if you have or not) then you can speak your peace. I just think that when I come on here everyday and see you post the same thing everyday it just gets a little old. I may get banned for saying this to you, but I can stand it anymore.

EDIT: Sorry I actually meant to quote both:

yeah i own them. And i didn't try anything JL has always said he didn't mind the green tint at the theater thats why i was confused. Thats all

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by mredman

also surprised since you said at the theater you didn't mind the green tint and overall change in the color of FOTR since its the same on the blu rays why suddenly the change of heart?

Originally Posted by mredman

it would be a nightmare for warner if they have lied about there not being a mistake on the transfer. Thats why i don't think they have lied when they gave their announcement on the matter

Originally Posted by flodsby

Do you really have to turn everybody's comments around on them. We don't need to keep on turning things around. Everybody's opinion is their own and don't need someone questioning everything they say. That's what people get suspended for. Just keep it civil.

I don't mean to be mean, but it seams to me that you always try to bring out the worst of a conversation and ride on with it. Do you own the new BD's? Do you like them? What do you think?...

When you answer those (which I'm not sure if you have or not) then you can speak your peace. I just think that when I come on here everyday and see you post the same thing everyday it just gets a little old. I may get banned for saying this to you, but I can stand it anymore.

EDIT: Sorry I actually meant to quote both:

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I don't mind it. I just think the old colors look better and I have changed my mind on the consistency issue. Going from Fellowship to Towers and seeing better coloring is a letdown.

Originally Posted by mredman

yeah i own them. And i didn't try anything JL has always said he didn't mind the green tint at the theater thats why i was confused. Thats all

There's nothing wrong with changing your opinion. I can't even remember how many movies I initially liked only to find myself unimpressed on later viewings. That's just the human animal. What I will say to you all is please read back over the past few pages. This thread has become amazing since the tint debate stopped. There's a wealth of information here about the characters and motivations and revisions of the original source material.I'm enthralled page after page in it's discussion and that's the direction we need to continue in. All of you and myself have had our say and it's time to move on. Peace.

[Lope de Aguirre]

Can someone please make a screenshot of Lothlorien of the EE Blu?

Even better would be TE + EE screen grabs of Lothlorien.