The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Ruben Rybnik

I just wish you could buy the movie discs. I have all the extras already. Just sell a three movie collection for $50 and I would be much happier than paying $40 more for stuff I already have.

Wouldnt we all, but I do hope the actual individual cases they come in are nice like the original 4-disc dvd sets.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Wouldnt we all, but I do hope the actual individual cases they come in are nice like the original 4-disc dvd sets.

+1

I love the original 4 disc DVD cases... they look BEAUTIFUL!!! I won't be able to part with them cuz they look really nice on a shelf...

[mredman]

They are split on 2 discs because more discs keeps the price higher then 1 disc. Those greedy bastards

It is a joke to split these movies on 2 discs when long movies has shown that there is no problem just take a look at king Kong and it also has a PiP track on the PQ is reference quality
warner you freaking suck!

[42041]

Originally Posted by mredman

They are split on 2 discs because more discs keeps the price higher then 1 disc. Those greedy bastards

and how does it do that? they could put the movies one disc and charge you the exact same price... and make more money.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

And there would be complaining whatever Warner did. If they put every movie on a separate Blu-ray, then there would be complaints about the quality. If they put all of the bonus material on a single Blu-ray, then they would complain why they wouldn't be in HD, or why there aren't any new features.
I'm really excited for this set. It looks like they're going to improve the PQ, and the extras for the Extended Editions were among the best ever made. So we get those, and the Costa Botes documentaries on top, and it's still not enough?

This.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by 42041

and how does it do that? they could put the movies one disc and charge you the exact same price... and make more money.

Because more discs equals more percieved value. The cost of pressing indivduel discs is incredibly low which is why many sets press more discs then nessesary its why studios

1. Separately encode 2D and 3D versions when a 2D version can easily be extracted from the 3D core (example all of Disneys 3D Blu-Rays)
2. Separately encode two cuts of the movie when seemless branching could easily encode both cuts into alot less space (example Terminator Salvation)
3. Use separte discs for DVD and digital copy when digital copies could easily fit on the same disc as the DVD (again Disney is a frequent offender)

Believe me the decision to still spread Lord of the Rings over two discs is in the same mindset. It also saves money on the encode. Lowering the bitrate without introducing softness or compression artifacting requires work. A high bitrate encode is alot cheaper and using more discs is a more percieved value. It makes sense from a business standpoint why this set is using way more discs then needed I just wish more consumers would recognize this

[Snowmaker]

That's a lot of disks! Looks like individual cases for each movie too.

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware....did=WIRLOTREml

[42041]

Added value is one thing, it does not change the fact that Warner sets the price, not the number of discs.
If it was 3 blu-rays, the exact same feature set and the exact same price, no one is going to say "well it has all the movies and extras i want, but there's just NOT ENOUGH DISCS".

(not sure what would give someone the idea that anyone's hand-tuning these encodes at WB either)

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by mredman

They are split on 2 discs because more discs keeps the price higher then 1 disc. Those greedy bastards

It is a joke to split these movies on 2 discs when long movies has shown that there is no problem just take a look at king Kong and it also has a PiP track on the PQ is reference quality
warner you freaking suck!

Change the record, please.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by 42041

Added value is one thing, it does not change the fact that Warner sets the price, not the number of discs.
If it was 3 blu-rays, the exact same feature set and the exact same price, no one is going to say "well it has all the movies and extras i want, but there's just NOT ENOUGH DISCS".

(not sure what would give someone the idea that anyone's hand-tuning these encodes at WB either)

Problem is you expect people to be logical. The average consumer isn't logical and doesn't do there research. Even if two sets with the same price and the same number of features exist the dumb consumer will pick the one with more discs just because they see that as a greater value. Studios know this which is why they engage in wasteful policies that I outlined in my previous post. They justify this by saying they are "maximizing quality" but are doing nothing except marketing to illinformed consumers.

Also all encodes are hand tuned. The bitrate constantly fluctuates because not every scene needs the same bitrate depending on things like motion, film grain, color, objects on screen, etc. The higher the bitrate used the less work needs to be done at this.

[P@t_Mtl]

What is ultra funny is over at the Gettysburg - God & Generals thread everyone is complaining that the movies will be on one disc only instead of two

the irony of it all

[42041]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Also all encodes are hand tuned. The bitrate constantly fluctuates because not every scene needs the same bitrate depending on things like motion, film grain, color, objects on screen, etc. The higher the bitrate used the less work needs to be done at this.

They can be but they don't have to be. Video encoders can do several passes over the movie and determine the relative complexity of the material and automatically spit out an encode of a certain size or quality level.

I see so much rampant compression artifacting on most WB discs compared to other studios that I can only assume that (with perhaps a handful of exceptions), the bulk of their encodes is done on autopilot and the fastest/lowest-quality settings.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by mredman

They are split on 2 discs because more discs keeps the price higher then 1 disc. Those greedy bastards

We'll find out.

Once someone gets the discs and posts how many gigs of actual movie are on each disc. I do not trust Warner to optimize anything, so it should be interesting. I could see them doing something like 26 gigs of movie on a BD50. lol

[radagast]

Originally Posted by 42041

and how does it do that? they could put the movies one disc and charge you the exact same price... and make more money.

Exactly.

Furthermore, I am going to buy these when they come out because:

1) I don't want to wait several years for an ultimate set when I can be watching these as soon as they come out.
2) Nobody, but NOBODY can be sure that there will be an ultimate set some years hence.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

What is ultra funny is over at the Gettysburg - God & Generals thread everyone is complaining that the movies will be on one disc only instead of two

the irony of it all

And if WB had brought the EEs out on one disc each, the same ones complaining about 2 discs would complain about 1 disc each. Complaining is a hobby for some folks.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Problem is you expect people to be logical. The average consumer isn't logical and doesn't do there research. Even if two sets with the same price and the same number of features exist the dumb consumer will pick the one with more discs just because they see that as a greater value. Studios know this which is why they engage in wasteful policies that I outlined in my previous post. They justify this by saying they are "maximizing quality" but are doing nothing except marketing to illinformed consumers.

Uh-huh. It's the reason we see so many DVD copies attached as well - it makes sense for kids films that may be watched in car, etc., as well, but for many films it makes no sense at all.

Also the whole 'digital copy' BS - it makes a 2 or 3 disc set look like a 3 or 4 disc set...ooh more value!

To be honest, pressing DVDs is so cheap these days - and heck, they may have even had these suckers literally left over from previous releases. I'm sure it's a combination of these two things - it likely would cost more to copy them all onto 1 or 2 BD's and encoding a Blu or two than just using the old ones on DVD (either existing or replicated again).

[Cook]

Originally Posted by radagast

Exactly.

Furthermore, I am going to buy these when they come out because:

1) I don't want to wait several years for an ultimate set when I can be watching these as soon as they come out.
2) Nobody, but NOBODY can be sure that there will be an ultimate set some years hence.



And if WB had brought the EEs out on one disc each, the same ones complaining about 2 discs would complain about 1 disc each. Complaining is a hobby for some folks.

There will be am ultimate set. Jackson has mentioned on multiple occaasions and he has said they saved features for the ultimate set. So there will be one some day. And its not logical to think there won't be another release around the time of the Hobbit. Marketing 101 says there will be another release at some point around the release of the Hobbit. It may not be the Ultimate set, but then will be as good a time as any to release it.

[alex18]

Why is everyone complaining about the extended edition finally getting released? I mean as a fan of the triology I don't care about them being split into 2 bd's. I've been waiting for them a long time! and yes it was stupid to add dvds. I'll blast up my home theater on June 28

[Sith]

Originally Posted by RYJAPE21

The box art has been released for the SW set? I don't feel like surfing through thousands of pages on the SW board but would you be able to post it/give me a link to it?

See what I started

[aherron]

WBshop.com has their own exclusive.Looks gorgeous!

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware....LOTRblurayhome


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[aherron]

Originally Posted by aherron

WB has their own exclusive.Looks gorgeous!

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware....LOTRblurayhome


Sent from my iPad

"LIMITED EDITION SET WITH EXCLUSIVE BONUS SET OF 7 STUNNING PORTRAITS INCLUDES:
* All 3 Extended Editions in one spell-binding Blu-ray™ collection
* 15 discs (Includes 6 Blu-ray discs, 9 DVDs)
* All the features. All the footage. All the Appendices.
* The rarely seen documentaries by filmmaker Costa Botes, who was personally selected by Peter Jackson to capture the behind the scenes adventure
* Exclusive bonus set of 7 stunning 5" x 7" portraits from The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy