The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by MEB

Here's a fun one boys and girls!!! The two links below are screen shot images of the same scene, one from FOTR EE Blu-ray and the other from ROTK EE Blu-ray. The ROTK image is a flashback scene.

FOTR EE Blu-ray: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/fotr6.jpg/

ROTK EE Blu-ray: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/rotk6.jpg/

Take a look at Merry's vest in each image. Hmmm....

One fellow combined the two halves of the shot of Merry into a split-screen comparison. ROTK EE flashback image on the left, FOTR EE image on the right:

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Here is a publicity still of Merry:

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Ignoring the fact that the cloaks shifted from grey to green (and got much darker) between the ROTK flashback image and the FOTR image, why the hell did Merry's vest shift from yellow to orange?

As an experiment, I loaded the ROTK image into Photoshop and opened up the Hue/Saturation tool. I then slid the Master Hue control to the left (negative side). At about -30, Merry's vest was no longer yellow and it was now orange. But guess what else happened? At -30 on the Master Hue slider both Merry and Pippin's cloaks had shifted from grey to green!! Surprise!

Now, I'm not suggesting that it was just a simple hue change that screwed up the color timing on FOTR EE. Moving the slider to -30 also made the hobbit's faces a bit too magenta. But there is absolutely a link between shifting that vest from yellow to orange and a resulting shift toward green in other parts of the image.

Mark

Todd Smith posted a link to those same pictures earlier today and I asked a question.

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Notice the post a just a few posts down (#3550) pretty much proves the *gasp* there were always color differences between FotR and TTT/RotK flashback sequences.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59616

Discuss/argue about the green tint till were blue in the face but the fact remains that there were apparently always color differences between the flashback sequences (differences we apparently never cared about before, or never noticed because their only now being brought to attention of most forum-goers); so trying to use the differences now to prove a "mistake" is an invalid argument.

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Color differences, sure. A green tint over the entire transfer I dont buy.

Again, there were color differences between FotR and TTT/RotK flashbacks in the TE's. Trying to use a color difference now on the EE's in rendered pointless.

Argue green tint or not; but trying to use color differences between the flashback sequences as proof of the green tint being a mistake is pointless and moot.

As for why the shift from Yellow to Orange; if it was intentional only PJ and Co could tell ya the reason why they wanted the change.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Do people read this thread or just post in it?

I read all 250 pages of green, and probably posted 5-10 times (most with no value! )

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by MEB

Here's a fun one boys and girls!!! The two links below are screen shot images of the same scene, one from FOTR EE Blu-ray and the other from ROTK EE Blu-ray. The ROTK image is a flashback scene.

FOTR EE Blu-ray: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/fotr6.jpg/

ROTK EE Blu-ray: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/rotk6.jpg/

Take a look at Merry's vest in each image. Hmmm....

One fellow combined the two halves of the shot of Merry into a split-screen comparison. ROTK EE flashback image on the left, FOTR EE image on the right:





Here is a publicity still of Merry:



Ignoring the fact that the cloaks shifted from grey to green (and got much darker) between the ROTK flashback image and the FOTR image, why the hell did Merry's vest shift from yellow to orange?

As an experiment, I loaded the ROTK image into Photoshop and opened up the Hue/Saturation tool. I then slid the Master Hue control to the left (negative side). At about -30, Merry's vest was no longer yellow and it was now orange. But guess what else happened? At -30 on the Master Hue slider both Merry and Pippin's cloaks had shifted from grey to green!! Surprise!

Now, I'm not suggesting that it was just a simple hue change that screwed up the color timing on FOTR EE. Moving the slider to -30 also made the hobbit's faces a bit too magenta. But there is absolutely a link between shifting that vest from yellow to orange and a resulting shift toward green in other parts of the image.

Mark

Are screen caps of the TE FotR and TE RotK flash back to that scene posted anywhere? What's the difference in vest color between those two. Are they Gold/yellow in both. Split scene of the TE's would be interesting.

Could you tell me where the flashback scene is on the EE RotK?

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by MEB

Here's a fun one boys and girls!!! The two links below are screen shot images of the same scene, one from FOTR EE Blu-ray and the other from ROTK EE Blu-ray. The ROTK image is a flashback scene.

FOTR EE Blu-ray: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/fotr6.jpg/

ROTK EE Blu-ray: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/rotk6.jpg/

Take a look at Merry's vest in each image. Hmmm....

One fellow combined the two halves of the shot of Merry into a split-screen comparison. ROTK EE flashback image on the left, FOTR EE image on the right:



Here is a publicity still of Merry:



Ignoring the fact that the cloaks shifted from grey to green (and got much darker) between the ROTK flashback image and the FOTR image, why the hell did Merry's vest shift from yellow to orange?

As an experiment, I loaded the ROTK image into Photoshop and opened up the Hue/Saturation tool. I then slid the Master Hue control to the left (negative side). At about -30, Merry's vest was no longer yellow and it was now orange. But guess what else happened? At -30 on the Master Hue slider both Merry and Pippin's cloaks had shifted from grey to green!! Surprise!

Now, I'm not suggesting that it was just a simple hue change that screwed up the color timing on FOTR EE. Moving the slider to -30 also made the hobbit's faces a bit too magenta. But there is absolutely a link between shifting that vest from yellow to orange and a resulting shift toward green in other parts of the image.

Mark

Cool. FUBAR Hue is a good "culprit" still. Why didn't they fix Merry's teeth?!?!

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Romansh

I (finally) just received my set this morning. It doesn't smell like fish

Also, I've been experimenting with adding a green tint to my home movies

Must be defectcive then. Ask them to send some cod juice over asap.

This can help you.

[DarkDune]

Can we all agree that this single FOTR EE Blu release has made us all question - even if slightly - the color reproduction on our HDTV's?!?!

For that I am mad at PJ -- if this was "intentional". We deserve at least an "explanation", if not an apology for taking up our precious posting time.

Respectfully, of course!

[MrFattBill]

I finished Two Towers EE last night and I for one am happy just having the EE on Blu-ray. IF you are immersed in the movie you don't notice any of these issues. If you are staring at the screen trying to nitpick you may as well just sell off your copies and read the books so you can imagine them however YOU want them to be.

Bill

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Must be defectcive then. Ask them to send some cod juice over asap.

This can help you.

Can you post a 1080/24p version of that image? I cannot make out the text!

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by MrFattBill

I finished Two Towers EE last night and I for one am happy just having the EE on Blu-ray. IF you are immersed in the movie you don't notice any of these issues. If you are staring at the screen trying to nitpick you may as well just sell off your copies and read the books so you can imagine them however YOU want them to be.

Bill

Amen! Well said!

[42041]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Could you tell me where the flashback scene is on the EE RotK?

Going from memory, the flashback to the forest fight is around 55 minutes into the first disc. There's a short flashback to Weathertop ~10 minutes earlier.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Can you post a 1080/24p version of that image? I cannot make out the text!

Are you asking for a video at 1080p 24 frames per second? Don't have that or a larger image, just googled crayola.

Would be good to see the change from "forest green" to whatever, lol

[jebhdb]

Originally Posted by 4K display

Disc capacity was a huge selling point for BD.

I remember reading multiple articles in the early days of the format war between blu ray and hd dvd backing blu ray based on the greater storage capacity. I know at least one article claimed that an advantage of blu ray would be the ability to contain an entire season of a television series on a single blu ray disc. I also remember articles mentioning that the PS3 would have an advantage over the xbox 360 because games on the 360 would be forced to be spread out over multiple disc.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Can we all agree that this single FOTR EE Blu release has made us all question - even if slightly - the color reproduction on our HDTV's?!?!

For that I am mad at PJ -- if this was "intentional". We deserve at least an "explanation", if not an apology for taking up our precious posting time.

Respectfully, of course!

It is funny that this release has actually made some take the time to calibrate their video settings. That is an unexpected benefit from this release.

An apology from Peter Jackson because we decided to take our precious time posting and debating? Come on man! That was our choice.

As far as a statement, I'm convinced, by what I've read here, that statements truly make no difference regardless of what they say. Even though some claim it would.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Troy73

It is funny that this release has actually made some take the time to calibrate their video settings. That is an unexpected benefit from this release.

It's made more people "uncalibrate" their TV's, changing good settings to make FotR look half-assed decent.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

LOTR is not a trilogy. A trilogy would be three separate but related movies. LOTR is one long story spread out over 3 movies.

The Matrix series was a lot like the Dune books. The first one was great. Each book after that became increasingly bad.

Thanks for pointing that out. Doesn't change the fact that I get more enjoyment out of the Matrix series/trilogy/franchise than I do out of the Rings trilogy/series/franchise/one story.

I honestly don't care what you call it. I call it one masterpiece film (Fellowship Extended) followed by two over indulgent so-so films.

Regarding LOTR, I don't agree about the last two movies being so-so, but to each his own. Hell, there's some people in the Star Wars threading claiming Phantom Menace is better than the other five movies.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by jebhdb

I remember reading multiple articles in the early days of the format war between blu ray and hd dvd backing blu ray based on the greater storage capacity. I know at least one article claimed that an advantage of blu ray would be the ability to contain an entire season of a television series on a single blu ray disc. I also remember articles mentioning that the PS3 would have an advantage over the xbox 360 because games on the 360 would be forced to be spread out over multiple disc.

And on blu-ray, we got 50g over HD-DVD's 30g and on top of that, more throughput on the video stream (when combined with lossless sound).

But it's still 50g - so for this one exception, I think it's fine to fit the movies on 2 disks since they are so long. Could they have fit them, yes. Would the quality go down (maybe a little). But I prefer the higher quality in this case.

But most movies will be on one disk.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by retablo

I don't think there ARE PQ or "quality" issues. Therefore, I'm all for it.

As Ken wrote "The image is rich and bold, primaries are tenacious, black levels are deeper than ever, the overall palette remains lush and lively, and detail is excellent." And I agree. I see no massivly horrendous crush, although its fun to use such harsh descriptions in exaggeration when in reality it's minor at best.

Go have a look at the recently released It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World and then tell me if you think LOTR Fellowship or for that matter the other two films in the series are detailed, rich and bold. Look at The Ten Commandments and try to say the same thing about the LOTR series. It can't be done, sorry.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

It's made more people "uncalibrate" their TV's, changing good settings to make FotR look half-assed decent.

LOL! Stinky, I like you man! To be fair though, it would depend on where the settings were before hand.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Troy73

LOL! Stinky, I like you man! To be fair though, it would depend on where the settings were before hand.

I haven't seen a single occurrence of someone with a confirmed professionally calibrated system claiming the tint isn't there. I have seen a number of people say they bumped up the green to achieve an intended look, though. So far the evidence supports people "uncalibrating" their sets, but I'm willing to consider evidence to the contrary as it is presented.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Maggot

Go have a look at the recently released It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World and then tell me if you think LOTR Fellowship or for that matter the other two films in the series are detailed, rich and bold. Look at The Ten Commandments and try to say the same thing about the LOTR series. It can't be done, sorry.

You do realize the flaw in your thinking here, right. You can't compare films so vastly different. The African Queen and The Bridge on the River Kwai were completely restored and look no where near as good as North by Northwest at least to me. However, that doesn't mean they look wrong or bad either. All three of those films represent some of the finest restorations on Blu-ray and yet look vastly different.