The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Todd Smith]

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Frodo looks wasted in that shot!

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

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Frodo looks wasted in that shot!

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainmen...stion-1627999/

[FrodoBagginz]

I have to admit, I was tweaking my TV settings like some here say to do just to see if I could find a way to remove whatever green tint I wasn't noticing most of the time.

In Advance Picture Settings under Color Temperature there are settings with sliders called "B Drive" and "G Drive". It was when I moving the G Drive slider into the negatives that I did notice a difference. I adjusted the G Drive on several scenes. I have it at -6 and now whenever I put it at 0 again while the movie is playing or paused I do notice the green tint is there.

I now am only going to watch the movie with the G Drive at -6. I had no problem with the tint because I didn't really notice it before but now comparing the G Drive at 0 and then at -6 while the movie is playing I do notice it big time and it is now distracting.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by frogmort

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainmen...stion-1627999/

I rarely smoke these days, but I would LOVE to burn one down with Frodo!


Going to finish off the set with ROTK tonight....looking forward to it!

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by 42041

Going from memory, the flashback to the forest fight is around 55 minutes into the first disc. There's a short flashback to Weathertop ~10 minutes earlier.

O.K. I checked Merry's vest color on EE RotK and on the TE RotK. I Also looked at Appendices pt 1 from book to vision Costume Design. There is an excellent view of the vest at 0:02:53 in the Appendices. At 0:03:30 Merry is wearing the same vest. His shoulder is in sunlight and the front of the vest is in shadow. It most closely matches the screen cap from the RotK flashback. It is clearly not the orange color in the FotR screen cap. I decided to use the Appendices vest color to adjust the R-G Hue on my Bravia, using Cinema Mode which uses Color Temp Warm 2, to match the color of Merry's vest in the Appendices to the same vest scene on my EE FotR. I wound up with the Hue adjustment at G22. I then watched a number of scenes. Very pleasing results, even in the Moria scene.

The Appendices vest color is the most accurate to use, given that it is what was actually created by the costume designer. Any description found in the book is not relevant. Obviously, there is no tint or color grading affecting the Appendices video.

To make the Hue adjustment, I had the Appendices DVD on my laptop, and the FotR BD in my BDP-S570.

No, it doesn't prove anything, but it is an interesting exercise nontheless.

Edit: Thought it worth adding that the color grading changes in many of the darker scenes on FotR, particularly when faces are illuminated by firelight, or Gandalf's staff in Moria, become very obvious after my Hue adjustment. So, I'm leaning toward the blanket tint being intentional to mask that effect. In fact, it seems that the color grading may have been added after the blanket green tint.


KDL-40HX800 settings w/o Hue Adj. to G22

[Show spoiler]Sony KDL-HX800 settings

Picture Mode Cinema
Backlight 5
Picture 90
Brightness 50
Color 50
Hue 0
Color Temperature Warm 2
Sharpness 3
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Motionflow Off
CineMotion Auto 1
Advanced Settings
Black Corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma 0
LED Dynamic Control Standard
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Color
Off
White Balance
R-Gain 0
G-Gain 0
B-Gain 0
R-Bias 0
G-Bias 0
B-Bias 0

[Petyr_Baelish]

Screenshot request: ringwraith ghost images. When frodo puts on the ring. No comparison to the TE necessary.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I rarely smoke these days, but I would LOVE to burn one down with Frodo!


Going to finish off the set with ROTK tonight....looking forward to it!

I have watched all of them except for disc two of RotK. I'll be watching it tonight.

[jebhdb]

Here is my hypothetical Peter Jackson response to the green tint.

Yes the green tint was definitely intentional. I had a lot of down time waiting for all the particulars regarding The Hobbit to get ironed out and I spent a much of that time watching movies in my personal collection. For some reason I found myself drawn to the films of the Wachowski brothers. As a film maker I am very impressed with their work and I truly love their Matrix trilogy. As I was watching their trilogy I found myself really loving the overall green appearance of the films and was curious how the effect might work with the Rings trilogy. Seeing as we were currently working on the blu ray release for the extended edition of the Ring films I began to play with the green tint on Fellowship and found the new coloring to truly enhance my enjoyment of the film. Therefore we applied a blanket tint to the whole film resulting in the current blu ray release which I now consider my definitive version. I know some have questioned why the tint was only applied to Fellowship and there is a reason for that. I mentioned earlier that I am fan of all of the Wachowski's work and shortly after my viewing of the Matrix trilogy I had the great pleasure of viewing their imagining of Speed Racer. As much as I love the Matrix movies I am even more impressed with what they accomplished on Speed Racer. My great hope is that between the time The Hobbit is released theatrically and on home video I will have the opportunity to revisit The Two Towers and Return of the King and apply to their transfers the beautiful coloring I fell in love with while watching Speed Racer, thus completing my ultimate vision of the Rings trilogy.

[STRYKKER]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Where's your gamma curve at? Mine's at 2.2 and shadow detail looks wonderful.

I'm at 2.2 gamma curve......I still can see some Shadow detail in Fellowship!
But with my setup Twin Towers & Return of the King ARE NOT as dark as Fellowship.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Screenshot request: ringwraith ghost images. When frodo puts on the ring. No comparison to the TE necessary.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by 42041

Thank you, good sir.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Maggot

It's a perfect agrument. They are superior, end of story. LOTR should have been shot in 65mm-70mm. Mistake 1 for sure. Mistake 2 was to coat the first movie in green. The very idea, let alone a review, stating colors are rich and bold for LOTR is ridiculous considering what is seen in 65mm-70mm films. The LOTR series, with the exception of the first movie when it actually had some normal resemblance of color, doesn't look bold or rich in color and using those words to describe it as such are completely and utterly false.

I don't think 65mm would've been feasible at all for this production. They had many units shooting millions of feet of film in remote places in New Zealand; the economic, practical, and logistical challenges would probably be huge. Andrew Lesnie talks about his dissatisfaction with having to scan the 35mm film in 2K resolution in several articles, because 4K was not practical due to the time/budget constraints and the amount of footage they were working with.

[MEB]

Boone,

Thank you for requesting that image! That was a good choice!

Here's is the image as posted by 42041:




And here is the same image with two horizontal bars placed across it. The top bar is the color of the sword in the center (measured near the hilt, the area that appeared to be the closest to "white"). The lower bar is pure white.



Mark

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by MEB

I popped that picture into Photoshop and made both the bars solid black.

It made it look like it was protecting the identities of the Ring Wraiths in the back and censoring out the of the one in the front.
I don't know why yet, but I'm almost positive this is important.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I popped that picture into Photoshop and made both the bars solid black.

It made it look like it was protecting the identities of the Ring Wraiths in the back and censoring out the of the one in the front.
I don't know why yet, but I'm almost positive this is important.

Mark

[mzupeman]

Those screens are really obnoxious anyway. It's like if you compared a properly calibrated, 'warm' white level with the 'blue' white level most people are used to, you'd say, "LOOK! THAT'S RED!"

You guys have to stop making on-screen comparisons, and side-by-side shot comparisons. Most of the movie, as a whole, looks fantastic.

The shire scenes looks drab... the skies are green, and the snowy mountaintop isn't white like it should be either. Other than that, the rest of the movie looks great. Just take it for what it is, and complain about the scenes that ACTUALLY have problems? No?

[Goldengirl]

Take a break and look at PJ's 2nd "The Hobbit" video production diary--just out.

http://www.facebook.com/PeterJacksonNZ

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Those screens are really obnoxious anyway. It's like if you compared a properly calibrated, 'warm' white level with the 'blue' white level most people are used to, you'd say, "LOOK! THAT'S RED!"

You guys have to stop making on-screen comparisons, and side-by-side shot comparisons. Most of the movie, as a whole, looks fantastic.

The shire scenes looks drab... the skies are green, and the snowy mountaintop isn't white like it should be either. Other than that, the rest of the movie looks great. Just take it for what it is, and complain about the scenes that ACTUALLY have problems? No?

The problem is, there is literally no off-white or near-white in the entire thing, just shades of green. Even if you made those comparisons with TTT or RotK, or say the TE BD of FotR, there are tons of instances with off-whites close enough so that even in comparison to pure white they still look white and not a solid color other than white... so it's not like it's an "unfair" comparison. This gives Fellowship a drab appearance, the point is the tint is not "slight" as in all other instances mentioned - it's unusually heavy-handed.

I personally don't even need the green/white comparisons to pick up on the obvious tint, but they are interesting to look at. That scene looked greenish when I watched it normally rather than white as it should (as did countless others, anything with "white" robes, lots of things with Saruman, etc.) If they had done the same thing to TTT Gandalf the White would've been Gandalf the Green. That would've sucked.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by 42041

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Thank you, good sir.

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I popped that picture into Photoshop and made both the bars solid black.

It made it look like it was protecting the identities of the Ring Wraiths in the back and censoring out the of the one in the front.
I don't know why yet, but I'm almost positive this is important.

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Those screens are really obnoxious anyway. It's like if you compared a properly calibrated, 'warm' white level with the 'blue' white level most people are used to, you'd say, "LOOK! THAT'S RED!"

You guys have to stop making on-screen comparisons, and side-by-side shot comparisons. Most of the movie, as a whole, looks fantastic.

The shire scenes looks drab... the skies are green, and the snowy mountaintop isn't white like it should be either. Other than that, the rest of the movie looks great. Just take it for what it is, and complain about the scenes that ACTUALLY have problems? No?

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The problem is, there is literally no off-white or near-white in the entire thing, just shades of green. Even if you made those comparisons with TTT or RotK, or say the TE BD of FotR, there are tons of instances with off-whites close enough so that even in comparison to pure white they still look white and not a solid color other than white... so it's not like it's an "unfair" comparison. This gives Fellowship a drab appearance, the point is the tint is not "slight" as in all other instances mentioned - it's unusually heavy-handed.

I personally don't even need the green/white comparisons to pick up on the obvious tint, but they are interesting to look at. That scene looked greenish when I watched it normally rather than white as it should (as did countless others, anything with "white" robes, lots of things with Saruman, etc.) If they had done the same thing to TTT Gandalf the White would've been Gandalf the Green. That would've sucked.

I think this screen shot is a very good example. Simply because by looking at the Dead Army in ROTK this color change brings this more in line with consistency overall. So in this case the screen shot illustrates two very important things, one being the green tint is unarguable and two, it serves to improve the shot in the film and make it consistent with ROTK. Which by the way has been the best presentation in the entire set IMO.

[dncpunke]

I did not feel like sifting through pages upon pages to see if this has been brought up yet so.......

I was a supporter of having each movie on 2 blu rays. However, I popped FOTR Disc 1 into my Blu drive on my PC to watch and noticed that this disc had 28.7GB worth of data. Curious now, I popped them all in to see and here is what I found:

FOTR Disc 1 - 28.7gb
FOTR Disc 2 - 33.3gb Total 62gb

TT Disc 1 - 28.7gb
TT Disc 2 - 34.4gb Total 63.1gb

ROTK Disc 1 - 34.8gb
ROTK Disc 2 - 37.2gb Total 72gb

I thought the reason these were released on two blu rays each was so the audio and video had room to "breathe"? Well there is plenty of unused space left on each disc.