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Old 03-25-2011, 02:53 AM   #1001
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Don't get a nosebleed, that horse is pretty high.
I see you have no answer for either point.

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I doubt in 5 years that all Internet/3G/4G whatever worldwide will have enough speed and bandwidth for streaming/downloading.. that requires a complete overhaul of ALL Internet services, and everything will have to go wireless, because the cables underground now can't support it. Have fun paying for data by the mb.
Any time now he should have a half-witty remark about you being on a tall horse.

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Old 03-25-2011, 03:11 AM   #1002
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God I can't wait for the extended editions. Can't believe we get them as early as June.

Also Hobbit started filming a few days ago. Very excited for that. Who's playing Bilbo? The Battle of Five Armies had better be one of the best battle scenes on Blu!
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:45 AM   #1003
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God I can't wait for the extended editions. Can't believe we get them as early as June.

Also Hobbit started filming a few days ago. Very excited for that. Who's playing Bilbo?
Martin Short.
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Old 03-25-2011, 12:40 PM   #1004
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whats Multi-disc elite packaging?
elite is short for Viva Elite, Viva is the company that produces the cases that Fox/Universal/Warner Brothers use, Disney uses them on occasion. The Vortex cases are used by Sony/Disney (most of the time). in the 1/2 disc world the Vortex ones have the snap on the side whereas the Elites do not.
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Old 03-25-2011, 12:44 PM   #1005
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God I can't wait for the extended editions. Can't believe we get them as early as June.

Also Hobbit started filming a few days ago. Very excited for that. Who's playing Bilbo? The Battle of Five Armies had better be one of the best battle scenes on Blu!
Go to the movies sub-forum and look for the Hobbit movie thread.
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Old 03-25-2011, 12:46 PM   #1006
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Martin Short.
Martin Freeman... unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I don't understand the reference...
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Old 03-25-2011, 12:48 PM   #1007
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Actually much of the same stuff was said. History is written by the winners...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_f...thetic_quality

Also they didn't have internet forums in the 30s and 50s
When 3D movies are some of the biggest money-makers of the last 2 years it's pretty obvious that that the vocal internet pundits and the average movie-goer are not on the same page.
And also don't forget that when "Talkies" as they were called first hit, microphones were so huge that they used to hide them in plants and other LARGE objects thus limiting the amount of movement on screen. People hated this, and rejected the idea at first. It then eventually became the norm. I don't think 3D is going away, however it does give me headaches. I may adopt eventually if a new eyeglass prescription or contacts help with the headaches but as of now, I'm sittin pretty with my beautiful 2D set
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Old 03-25-2011, 12:52 PM   #1008
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Martin Freeman... unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I don't understand the reference...
I think he was being sarcastic. Reference? That's easy. Short=Hobbit.
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:01 PM   #1009
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Film class textbooks are written by snobs, I should know, I took one, boy was that author full of himself. But that seems pretty typical at the university level. Ok, rant done.
I took a film class too, but it was an entry level class at a Liberal Arts College. My professor was Amazing, covering all the positive and negative responses to films ranging from Battleship Potempkin all the way through Seven Samurai and Citizen Kane. It was a great class but just WAY too much to cover in a semester, so it was really rushed...
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:41 PM   #1010
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I can't believe I'm going to double dip on this one.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:25 PM   #1011
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That said, it has yet to be proven that 3D conversions of old movies are going to pull in enough of a crowd to justify the effort. Personally I don't have much interest in retroactive 3D.
The 3D re-releases of The Phantom Menace and Titanic in 2012 should be an interesting test market for 3D conversions of old movies. Id say that the more successful these releases are the sooner 3D conversions of Lord of the Rings will come.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:16 PM   #1012
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The 3D re-releases of The Phantom Menace and Titanic in 2012 should be an interesting test market for 3D conversions of old movies. Id say that the more successful these releases are the sooner 3D conversions of Lord of the Rings will come.
It will be more interesting to see what kind of dough they bring in.

Titanic could reclaim the highest grossing film of all time thrown.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:37 AM   #1013
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I think most people who expect this wave of the 3D "fad" to fail like it did in the past completely misunderstand how the technology has changed in the last decade.
That said, it has yet to be proven that 3D conversions of old movies are going to pull in enough of a crowd to justify the effort. Personally I don't have much interest in retroactive 3D.
No, I think its the other way around - the 3D pimps dont realize that hardly anyone really cares about 3D and is still ultimately a gimmick that exists to upcharge people at theaters and for home gear. The technology still requires glasses, causes headaches/viewing problems for a good percentage of people, and after the 10th time of an arrow flying at your head or a "wow cool man" moment.... it gets old and loses its cool factor. Films hold up and are great for the performances and the timeless stories. Glitzy visuals are NOT everlasting and neither will 3D be.

And, there are a ton of films that just dont benefit from it. Its strictly for action romps and films like that. Of course, they'll ram this stuff down our throats trying to convince us that its all mainstream now, but reality says its a micro-niche and will always be.

Its fine for theaters and for a few films here and there but thats it. Im quite tired of hearing about it too. I cancelled a subscription to Home Theater Magazine because every focking article and product review was on some 3D crap that I didnt care about. Driving me nuts with that gibberish.

As for older films or even fairly modern ones? Again - me and most others dont care. LOTR and Star Wars for that matter re fine in 2D. Thats the way I always watched them before and thats the way Ill watch them going forward. If they want to do some special releases for the theaters in 3D so the 3D-pimps can get their rocks off - go for it. Just dont force it down my throat or anything or make me buy blu-rays at higher prices with 3D support.

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Old 03-26-2011, 12:45 AM   #1014
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No, I think its the other way around - the 3D pimps dont realize that hardly anyone really cares about 3D and is still ultimately a gimmick that exists to upcharge people at theaters and for home gear.
Shocking. Your saying that there may be a profit motive to the home theatre and motion picture industry. You don't say
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:45 AM   #1015
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Your not mentioning how great sports are in 3D.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:46 AM   #1016
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The thought of seeing The Hobbit in 3d is VERY exciting The thought of bringing home The Hobbit 3d on blu ray to watch in my HT sounds even better Really looking forward to this experience.
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:28 AM   #1017
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No, I think its the other way around - the 3D pimps dont realize that hardly anyone really cares about 3D and is still ultimately a gimmick that exists to upcharge people at theaters and for home gear. The technology still requires glasses, causes headaches/viewing problems for a good percentage of people, and after the 10th time of an arrow flying at your head or a "wow cool man" moment.... it gets old and loses its cool factor. Films hold up and are great for the performances and the timeless stories. Glitzy visuals are NOT everlasting and neither will 3D be.

And, there are a ton of films that just dont benefit from it. Its strictly for action romps and films like that. Of course, they'll ram this stuff down our throats trying to convince us that its all mainstream now, but reality says its a micro-niche and will always be.

Its fine for theaters and for a few films here and there but thats it. Im quite tired of hearing about it too. I cancelled a subscription to Home Theater Magazine because every focking article and product review was on some 3D crap that I didnt care about. Driving me nuts with that gibberish.

As for older films or even fairly modern ones? Again - me and most others dont care. LOTR and Star Wars for that matter re fine in 2D. Thats the way I always watched them before and thats the way Ill watch them going forward. If they want to do some special releases for the theaters in 3D so the 3D-pimps can get their rocks off - go for it. Just dont force it down my throat or anything or make me buy blu-rays at higher prices with 3D support.

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In the first, 1930 edition of his global survey The Film Till Now, British cinema pundit Paul Rotha declared, "A film in which the speech and sound effects are perfectly synchronised and coincide with their visual image on the screen is absolutely contrary to the aims of cinema. It is a degenerate and misguided attempt to destroy the real use of the film and cannot be accepted as coming within the true boundaries of the cinema."[140] Such opinions were not rare among those who cared about cinema as an art form; Alfred Hitchcock, though he directed the first commercially successful talkie produced in Europe, held that "the silent pictures were the purest form of cinema" and scoffed at many early sound films as delivering little beside "photographs of people talking".[141] In Germany, Max Reinhardt, stage producer and movie director, expressed the belief that the talkies, "bringing to the screen stage plays ... tend to make this independent art a subsidiary of the theater and really make it only a substitute for the theater instead of an art in itself ... like reproductions of paintings."[142]
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:01 AM   #1018
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People considering a new technology a fad is hardly new:
Yeah, but 3-D isn't new, either.

Has it gotten better? Yes. But it's not new.

However, what is new is the financial environment of the entertainment industry. This is across the board a blatant cash grab by the studios that have been hemorrhaging money over the last decade or two. People like myself that used to go to the movies twice a week are now lucky if we go twice per year - for reasons as varied as superior experiences with our own home theater to the general availability of a huge number of other entertainment options.

That's the reason 3-D is being pushed so, both in theaters and at home, and the *exact* reason the home 3-D market has been so stymied by these "exclusives" deals (that, for 3-D enthusiasts, thankfully seems to be lessening). They want to push 3-D in theaters because they can double the ticket price, and the manufacturers want it pushed at home because they can sell more equipment.

The manufacturers thought by this time every home would have a Blu-ray player, and since that is still a ways from happening they are going back to the well of early adopters and getting them to buy 3-D tech that will be outdated in a few years (the goofy electronic glasses are going to be laughably quaint in a few years - we'll be astounded that people attached 2 TV monitors to their eyes to watch the smattering of movies that are available in the format).

Where the "exclusives" come in is because the Studios are like, "Hey, 3-D is our cash cow! We can charge $20/head in the theater, so why put out 3-D material for home use with a $30 disc when we can make far more releasing and re-releasing these in the theater?" They just found this new revenue source to stave off the inevitable a bit longer, and they are having a hard time letting the home market have any share (a $30 Blu-ray that can be watched dozens of times by many people makes a lot less than charging a family of four $80 for tickets to see the film once).

Leaving all that aside, yes there have been some successful 3-D films in the theater. No doubt about it. People see it as an occasional experience to enhance certain films. But the thing is - it doesn't actually enhance storytelling. In many ways, it actually detracts from acting, writing, etc. Some enthusiasts think it's "the future!" and that soon everything will be in 3-D. The manufacturers and studios are learning that, by and large, most people simply don't care, especially to have it at home with the current state of technology.

You won't find anyone other than enthusiasts on sites like this, and people who work directly or indirectly with a stake-holder (manufacturer, studio, etc.) who think 3-D is somehow the future of filmed media. Sure, you can find all kinds of quotes from talking heads paid to promote stuff, or who otherwise have it in their best interests, to talk up 3-D - but very few people take it seriously artistically, because we've been there-done that before. Yes, it's a neat little trick that can make a movie a bit more fun - the *right* movie, not every movie - but it is not some revolution happening.

It's sort of like the "lossless audio" fans. Personally, my ears aren't good enough that I can hear the difference so I don't care (though my hearing is excellent and I can often hear things other people cannot). But more power to people who want it. However, what enthusiasts want is not always (and quite often, not at all) what mass market consumers want. Most people listen to TV through the speakers on the unit, and those that do have audio systems likely don't have any compatible with the new codecs unless they have just recently bought a high-end model. I'd be willing to wager 90% of consumers don't even know what the hell a digital audio cable looks like.

It's the same thing with 3-D. Some people are WAY overestimating the consumer interest, and are falling for the line the studios and manufacturers want them to - spend more money at the theater, rebuy equipment you already have, 3-D 3-D 3-D! This does not reflect the average consumer by any stretch of the imagination, and when people tire of 3-D (like they do every time it comes around - this is what makes it a fad/gimmick) it will become a niche like it always has been. In this case, for home use, it will be a niche of a niche, as Blu-ray is already a niche product.

I will say I do think the future of home 3-D lies not so much in scripted storytelling as in video games. That's one area that has huge potential - and I think in five years when people think of 3-D TV's they will be thinking about videogames, and not theatrical films most of which come out in 3-D are usually pretty poor quality films to begin with (or they wouldn't have to rely on a gimmick to be sold).
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:35 PM   #1019
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Yeah but many times that IS the case. And, like the other reply said - this is NOT new. Its old. Really old. They are just running out of ideas on how to milk the film market so this is about alls they got left.

Its quite obvious that this isnt catching on as hoped, especially for the home market. The pimps can show me growth charts and whatever other hand picked data they want but the truth lies in whats in peoples homes. The answer is that VERY few have 3D setups and very few are interested in upgrading. A sure sign that something is a fad is when people check the technology out at someone elses home, get their "wow, cool" moment and then promptly forget about it 3 minutes later and never inquire about it again. This is what most 3D demos are like. And those glasses.... gawsh....

Heck - many people have just fully embraced blu-ray and HD setups. Now, you are gonna tell them that they have to rebuy everything again? For what? So a few spears can fly at their head? Nope. Not happening. Hey, whatever.... ya'll enjoy your 3D. Just accept that most will stay away and its up to you to spend more to get it. No problem.

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Shocking. Your saying that there may be a profit motive to the home theatre and motion picture industry. You don't say
You know what Im getting at. Like I said - great, you 3D doodes can pay extra for it. Just like some people pay extra for navigation systems in cars or whatever. As long as they dont force it on people, as in raising prices on discs due to including 3D technology then I dont care. Let those that want it pay for it. All good.

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Old 03-26-2011, 12:39 PM   #1020
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Yeah but many times that IS the case. And, like the other reply said - this is NOT new. Its old. Really old. They are just running out of ideas on how to milk the film market so this is about alls they got left.

Its quite obvious that this isnt catching on as hoped, especially for the home market. The pimps can show me growth charts and whatever other hand picked data they want but the truth lies in whats in peoples homes. The answer is that VERY few have 3D setups and very few are interested in upgrading. Heck - many people have just fully embraced blu-ray and HD setups. Now, you are gonna tell them that they have to rebuy everything again? For what? So a few spears can fly at their head? Nope. Not happening. Hey, whatever.... ya'll enjoy your 3D. Just accept that most will stay away and its up to you to spend more to get it. No problem.
I'm with you. 3D will die, not only because of having to re-buy everything, but because they are "company exclusive" to certain TV's. Who the hell wants to pay upwards of $100 for a movie?

LOTR was NOT shot in 3D, therefore it should NOT BE IN 3D. Simple.

(And until it's like the holodeck, it's not really 3D)
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