The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[#Darren]

Any ideas why Mr Jackson has used this unusual color grading approach for Fellowship?

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I have read many intelligent posts from you sir, but I strongly disagree.

Hey. All I know is that many have stated that the green tint was there, they adjusted one of the colour settings, the green tint was then completely gone, and everything else they've viewed on their TV since the adjustment has looked absolutely fine.

I'm just saying that it sounds very much like the "green tint" issue with this release has provided an opportunity to see an incremental flaw in TV calibration. Seems to only make sense.

I haven't put my FOTR BD in yet as I'm waiting to have a day where I can do an EE marathon (13+ hours straight). So, I'm just repeating what other members here have stated. My personal experience will show up in this thread as soon as I get done with said marathon... someday.

[ckenisell]

I'm more concerned about the black crush than I am the green tint. But I don't like the green tint either. That's on a 65" VT30 that has been isf calibrated.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I have read many intelligent posts from you sir, but I strongly disagree.

How's this for an intelligent approach to the situation...

Come to think of it, there are 3 camps when it comes to this green tint "issue."

Camp #1. "GREEN EVERYWHERE!!!" -> These people see teal skies and green snow like their TV is celebrating St. Paddy's Day.

Camp #2. "I guess it looks a little bit green." -> These people admit to the fact that they wouldn't have noticed it if there wasn't such debate about it on the internet. They also admit that the FEAR OF GOD screenshots that have been presented online are far too exaggerated compared to what is actually presented on the BDs.

Camp #3. "Blue skies and purely driven snow on this end." -> These people swear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with anything colour related on the FOTR EE BD.

So, what do these 3 camps all have in common? THE EXACT SAME TRANSFER. Everybody has received identical copies of the discs. No two ways about this.

Now, what do these 3 camps all NOT have in common? IDENTICAL TV CALIBRATIONS. Everyone calibrates based on what looks best to their eyes. The problem here is that everyone sees things differently. So, in trying to balance the image, one may THINK their colours are even. With margins for error, this could result in minor offsets for certain colours... colours which could become heavily apparent under circumstances where the transfer has been adjusted slightly to favour a particular colour. That slight manipulation of a transfer coupled with a minor calibration issue could result in a multiplied enhancement of said colour.

And, given that many state the minor adjustment to their calibration resolves the FOTR green tint while not noticeably affecting any other material presented on the screen from any other source media, I'd say that a minor TV re-calibration sounds like a surefire winner.



As for an ISF calibration? Sure, that may create true colour balance, but every set of human eyes aren't completely perfect either.

[andyman1970]

I think Petra makes a valid point. This "green-tint" issue is being blown way out of proportion. It really come down to your equipment and how you have it calibrated. What little bit of green-tint I saw wasn't so bad that it kept me from enjoying the movie and it was in the scene where the hobbits were leaving the shire which was a pretty "green" place itself.

[gregmasciola]

I always say, there's 3 sides to every story: side A, side B, and the truth (which is usually in the middle.

People pointed out the green tint, which is definitely there. Others are going to deny it, saying that people are just "making it up" and "want something to complain about". This then leads to people exaggerating the problem, making it sound worse than it is.

[siQness]

I really want this but 90 dollars for 3 movies I hope they are joking .. No way I'll pay that much

[Random]

I watched the whole collection this weekend and it looked and sounded great. I did notice the green tint slightly in fotr but it was minimal I only noticed it in a few scenes not through the whole movie. I paid 69 plus tax on release so to me it was well worth it since I only had it on dvd previously. As of right now it goes for 79 on amazon don't know where the above poster saw it for 90.

[#Darren]

No opinions?

Originally Posted by Bad Boy Dazza

Any ideas why Mr Jackson has used this unusual color grading approach for Fellowship?

[mrr1]

Personally, I think the *very slight* green tint was an error somewhere along the transfer process and the studio is afraid to acknowledge it, especially since this version of the FOTR is still the best presentation of that movie EVER.

I bought this set, and I didn't even notice any green tint until I played around with the picture calibration settings (my TV was set on lower green and higher brightness)... and even after adjusting so I could see the tint it was incredibly slight in only a few scenes. The movie still looks absolutely amazing and I have to say that I am in love with this set.

Like another poster here said, this disc is useful for calibrating your picture, because the same settings that remove the green tint doesn't affect any other movie.

[Ruben Rybnik]

I got an email this morning from WB that this set has a new low price of $79.99. I am waiting to see if amazon drops their price to reflect the change.

[estoniankid]

Yeah, in this economy it's hard to justify spending $70-80 for 3 movies I've watched dozens of times in hd, even if their now on br

I'll have to wait until the price is more reasonable which probably won't happen until after the holidays.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by siQness

I really want this but 90 dollars for 3 movies I hope they are joking .. No way I'll pay that much

I got it day-of for $64.99 in a retail store. I know that doesn't help you now, but it means they will probably drop it back down in a while.

Amazon has it for $79.99. Not a huge drop but less than $90.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

How's this for an intelligent approach to the situation...

Come to think of it, there are 3 camps when it comes to this green tint "issue."

Camp #1. "GREEN EVERYWHERE!!!" -> These people see teal skies and green snow like their TV is celebrating St. Paddy's Day.

Camp #2. "I guess it looks a little bit green." -> These people admit to the fact that they wouldn't have noticed it if there wasn't such debate about it on the internet. They also admit that the FEAR OF GOD screenshots that have been presented online are far too exaggerated compared to what is actually presented on the BDs.

Camp #3. "Blue skies and purely driven snow on this end." -> These people swear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with anything colour related on the FOTR EE BD.

So, what do these 3 camps all have in common? THE EXACT SAME TRANSFER. Everybody has received identical copies of the discs. No two ways about this.

Now, what do these 3 camps all NOT have in common? IDENTICAL TV CALIBRATIONS. Everyone calibrates based on what looks best to their eyes. The problem here is that everyone sees things differently. So, in trying to balance the image, one may THINK their colours are even. With margins for error, this could result in minor offsets for certain colours... colours which could become heavily apparent under circumstances where the transfer has been adjusted slightly to favour a particular colour. That slight manipulation of a transfer coupled with a minor calibration issue could result in a multiplied enhancement of said colour.

And, given that many state the minor adjustment to their calibration resolves the FOTR green tint while not noticeably affecting any other material presented on the screen from any other source media, I'd say that a minor TV re-calibration sounds like a surefire winner.



As for an ISF calibration? Sure, that may create true colour balance, but every set of human eyes aren't completely perfect either.

Good points and great post.

On the subject of display calibration,I used two methods to set up my projector,one was the "Spears and Munsil" disc the other was the Thx optimiser found on the "Terminator 2 skynet edition".

Now on the color and tint settings both test discs requested the same projector settings,but on the settings for brightness and contrast the "Spears and Munsil" seemed to want a lower setting for contrast but a much higher level for brightness.

My own personal taste was for the Thx settings as it was better for my own viewing conditions.

This of course raises a question of correct color and tint settings,as if a person uses a test disc or Isf calibration to set the color and tint on their display,what will they do if the settings are not to their individual taste?,for example what if in their mind the colors are not rich enough?,will they leave the settings as they are knowing everything is correct,or will they tweak the settings to their own idea of perfection.

I would suspect most people will fall into the latter catagory as in the end of the day calibration is great as long as the individual is happy with its results.

And this is before we even get onto the subject of different discs color and tint levels.

As for the fellowship extended edition I have not seen the need to alter any of my color or tint settings.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

How's this for an intelligent approach to the situation...

Come to think of it, there are 3 camps when it comes to this green tint "issue."

Camp #1. "GREEN EVERYWHERE!!!" -> These people see teal skies and green snow like their TV is celebrating St. Paddy's Day.

Camp #2. "I guess it looks a little bit green." -> These people admit to the fact that they wouldn't have noticed it if there wasn't such debate about it on the internet. They also admit that the FEAR OF GOD screenshots that have been presented online are far too exaggerated compared to what is actually presented on the BDs.

Camp #3. "Blue skies and purely driven snow on this end." -> These people swear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with anything colour related on the FOTR EE BD.

So, what do these 3 camps all have in common? THE EXACT SAME TRANSFER. Everybody has received identical copies of the discs. No two ways about this.

Now, what do these 3 camps all NOT have in common? IDENTICAL TV CALIBRATIONS. Everyone calibrates based on what looks best to their eyes. The problem here is that everyone sees things differently. So, in trying to balance the image, one may THINK their colours are even. With margins for error, this could result in minor offsets for certain colours... colours which could become heavily apparent under circumstances where the transfer has been adjusted slightly to favour a particular colour. That slight manipulation of a transfer coupled with a minor calibration issue could result in a multiplied enhancement of said colour.

And, given that many state the minor adjustment to their calibration resolves the FOTR green tint while not noticeably affecting any other material presented on the screen from any other source media, I'd say that a minor TV re-calibration sounds like a surefire winner.



As for an ISF calibration? Sure, that may create true colour balance, but every set of human eyes aren't completely perfect either.

Very nicely said sir. You have redeemed yourself to me.

I am in camp #2, but I think that the screenshots that have been presented online are pretty much identical to what is actually presented on the BDs, you just don't notice it nearly as much without a direct A/B comparison, which is a very good thing.

My only problem is that I have 182 blu-rays, and this is the only one that I really feel compelled to adjust my tv for. I could see making a certain setting just for this one, but to adjust specifically for this one, and then just leaving it that way for all other movies seems like an odd choice to me.

My tv is not ISF calibrated, but I started with a C-net "recommended setting" for my particular model, and then used a few test discs to get it as natural and neutral as I could. I put a lot of work into getting it as close as I could, and I'm not about to just throw all of that out the window just to fix this one movie.

Originally Posted by jonmoz

As for the fellowship extended edition I have not seen the need to alter any of my color or tint settings.

I played around with my settings a little bit, but I ended up putting it back the way I had it adjusted before.

I personally think FotR looks better than ever, but I still find it to be a smidgen dark and oddly colored, compared to the other two movies.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

How's this for an intelligent approach to the situation...

Come to think of it, there are 3 camps when it comes to this green tint "issue."

Camp #1. "GREEN EVERYWHERE!!!" -> These people see teal skies and green snow like their TV is celebrating St. Paddy's Day.

Camp #2. "I guess it looks a little bit green." -> These people admit to the fact that they wouldn't have noticed it if there wasn't such debate about it on the internet. They also admit that the FEAR OF GOD screenshots that have been presented online are far too exaggerated compared to what is actually presented on the BDs.

Camp #3. "Blue skies and purely driven snow on this end." -> These people swear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with anything colour related on the FOTR EE BD.

So, what do these 3 camps all have in common? THE EXACT SAME TRANSFER. Everybody has received identical copies of the discs. No two ways about this.

Now, what do these 3 camps all NOT have in common? IDENTICAL TV CALIBRATIONS. Everyone calibrates based on what looks best to their eyes. The problem here is that everyone sees things differently. So, in trying to balance the image, one may THINK their colours are even. With margins for error, this could result in minor offsets for certain colours... colours which could become heavily apparent under circumstances where the transfer has been adjusted slightly to favour a particular colour. That slight manipulation of a transfer coupled with a minor calibration issue could result in a multiplied enhancement of said colour.

And, given that many state the minor adjustment to their calibration resolves the FOTR green tint while not noticeably affecting any other material presented on the screen from any other source media, I'd say that a minor TV re-calibration sounds like a surefire winner.



As for an ISF calibration? Sure, that may create true colour balance, but every set of human eyes aren't completely perfect either.

I view the LOTR screen captures on colorimeter calibrated computer displays. What I see when watching the LOTR Blu-ray is basically an exact match to the screen captures.

It's science. The screen captures ACCURATELY represent what is on the Blu-ray. Anyone that doesn't see it when watching the Blu-ray doesn't have a properly adjusted/calibrated display.

Mark

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by MEB

I view the LOTR screen captures on colorimeter calibrated computer displays. What I see when watching the LOTR Blu-ray is basically an exact match to the screen captures.

It's science. The screen captures ACCURATELY represent what is on the Blu-ray. Anyone that doesn't see it when watching the Blu-ray doesn't have a properly adjusted/calibrated display.

Mark

So you're telling us your displays are calibrated correctly and the rest of us, even if we have ISF calibrated displays that don't show the tint to the level of those screen shots, don't have properly calibrated displays? That's a pretty arrogant statement since we have no way to verify your displays are anymore ACCURATE then ours, other than you claiming they are.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Troy73

So you're telling us your displays are calibrated correctly and the rest of us, even if we have ISF calibrated displays that don't show the tint to the level of those screen shots, don't have properly calibrated displays? That's a pretty arrogant statement since we have no way to verify your displays are anymore ACCURATE then ours, other than you claiming they are.

What more evidence could you possibly require,his display is correct because he says it is !!

[beefytwinkie]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

What more evidence could you possibly require,his display is correct because he says it is !!

I believe his display is spot on and 100% perfect. I also believe everyone who says otherwise is a hater.

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by beefytwinkie

I believe his display is spot on and 100% perfect. I also believe everyone who says otherwise is a hater.

I think when you use the word believe it explains a lot,as it's a opinion not fact which is why the whole tint debate has two sides,and it also does not matter to what percentage you believe his display is correctly set up as in the end of the day it's your own personal opinion.

I have never stated there was no color timing difference on the extended edition of the fellowship,or that it was not present throughout the whole movie,I just feel it's not as much of an issue as some screenshots suggest,perfectly calibrated or not.

I could also reverse your statement saying anyone who does not agree is a hater,but again this has little point and will not convince anyone on the other side of the debate.