The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[WhySoCereal]

Originally Posted by riverbelow

Wow. I never said anything about my own opinion as an argument for what others should consider better?. It is jacksons statement and directive to the public the Definitive directors cut is the theatricals. (every person will have their own taste regardless)

If you want to claim that's a debateable position? The more power to your delusional inklings.

I offer my opinion as an afterthought that pacing is better in the theatrical. Just one element of filmmaking that I do desire. The story is margainally better in the EE. Neither is better overall, is what I say. You just twist my words because you barely read them and paint me into a caricature of "theatrical flagwaver". More power to you

You should worry less about what people think about LOTR, and more about writing a readable paragraph. Throwing in random question marks is not helping your point get across.

[Alan Preston]

I have both extended DVD and Blu-ray. Both of these scenes are in both versions. I had issues with certain sounds not being there but it was all in my settings within my Blu-ray player. Lots of messing around but it was perfect last time we watched. You may have an issue with your player as it is highly unlikely you have a unique copy with specific deleted scenes or lines.

[Alan Preston]

Thanks for including this trailer. I had not seen that one.

On a "what else is new" note, a Canadian band wrote a song that seems to be about Bilbo and the ring. A buddy put me on to the song and it is pretty clear it is Bilbo speaking to the ring since the opening line is "When you came to me, you were so bright."You vanished me, he could not see, you saved my life". If you know how Bilbo found the ring, you will get these lyrics. It's a cool song and you can listen to it free at the band website. I downloaded it cuz it was cheap (.99). The song is called "Time" and the band's website is http://www.morningfame.com

Happy New Year Everyone!

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Andrew-Kenneth

There are three categories of scenes that are added in the EE's =>
Cat. 1) scenes that made the movies better
Cat. 2) scenes that made the movies longer
Cat. 3) scenes that made the movies worse

Adding only those scenes that improved the movies might add some 5 or 8 mins. to the running time of each film. Scenes of cat. 3 (and a lot of cat. 2 scenes as well) should not have been re-inserted in the film.

Um, ANY added scenes would make the movies longer. So that doesn't really make any sense, sorry. You can't have #1 without #2.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Andrew-Kenneth

There are three categories of scenes that are added in the EE's =>
Cat. 1) scenes that made the movies better
Cat. 2) scenes that made the movies longer
Cat. 3) scenes that made the movies worse

Adding only those scenes that improved the movies might add some 5 or 8 mins. to the running time of each film. Scenes of cat. 3 (and a lot of cat. 2 scenes as well) should not have been re-inserted in the film.

Please give an example of cat. 3, as I couldn't find many... actually I found one - not that it made the film worse but it was unnecessary: In the ROTK EE, after Aragon & co. leave the Kingdom of the Dead, the King shows up, telling him they will join him. Kind of spoils the impact when they do show up a few minutes later.

Btw I think cat. 2 can be eliminated, since the films are longer in any case, whether you agree/disagree with their inclusion...

I do think that the one scen PJ absolutely should have left in the TE is the downfall of Saruman. I think it was absolutely essential for the story and I missed it in the film. I also felt bad for Christopher Lee - I think he deserved better.

[TylerDurden]

Cat 3 would be Grima worm tongue spitting on Aragorn's hand. This disminishes the power of an heir to the throne. No king would ever stand for that. Also the extended Ents council maybe the single most boring scene in cinematic history.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by NYorker

I do think that the one scen PJ absolutely should have left in the TE is the downfall of Saruman. I think it was absolutely essential for the story and I missed it in the film. I also felt bad for Christopher Lee - I think he deserved better.

I think Jackson addressed that at the time. As I recall, he said there was no place for that sequence at the end of TTT, and he also felt it dragged things out too much at the start of RotK to include it there (in the cinema cut, anyway).

I thought it was a pity Christopher Lee got so personal about it. Scenes get cut all the time, and almost never is it intended as a slight to the actor(s) involved.

Is Lee filming any scenes for The Hobbit, does anyone know? Presumably it'll be a somewhat diminished role – the pre-Palantir Saruman would have been more involved at Dol Guldur than Lee is probably up for, these days.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

I think Jackson addressed that at the time. As I recall, he said there was no place for that sequence at the end of TTT, and he also felt it dragged things out too much at the start of RotK to include it there (in the cinema cut, anyway).

I thought it was a pity Christopher Lee got so personal about it. Scenes get cut all the time, and almost never is it intended as a slight to the actor(s) involved.

Is Lee filming any scenes for The Hobbit, does anyone know? Presumably it'll be a somewhat diminished role – the pre-Palantir Saruman would have been more involved at Dol Guldur than Lee is probably up for, these days.

If Lee took it personally it would be more because he is such a huge fan of the books than because he was offended as an actor who wanted more screen time. He probably just couldn't understand how you could cut something that important out of the final product.

[Brett C]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

Is Lee filming any scenes for The Hobbit, does anyone know?

Yes he did film scenes for it.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

If Lee took it personally it would be more because he is such a huge fan of the books than because he was offended as an actor who wanted more screen time. He probably just couldn't understand how you could cut something that important out of the final product.

I suspect you're arguing for the sake of arguing, El Jay, but okay. If you read what he had to say, Lee got quite indignant and yes, did make it personal. But the death of Saruman in the films doesn't even happen in the books, and I honestly doubt most viewers of the cinema versions gave it a second thought at the time whether we saw what happened to him or not – he had already been shown to be totally powerless when the Ents simply flooded his compound. Either way, I don't think it was a case of Lee personally being given less respect than he was entitled to.

Originally Posted by Brett C

Yes he did film scenes for it.

Thanks Brett. Good to know.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

I suspect you're arguing for the sake of arguing, El Jay, but okay. If you read what he had to say, Lee got quite indignant and yes, did make it personal. But the death of Saruman in the films doesn't even happen in the books, and I honestly doubt most viewers of the cinema versions gave it a second thought at the time whether we saw what happened to him or not – he had already been shown to be totally powerless when the Ents simply flooded his compound. Either way, I don't think it was a case of Lee personally being given less respect than he was entitled to.


Thanks Brett. Good to know.

"Arguing for the sake of arguing"?!?

Oh wow. I don't even know you. Like literally don't have a clue if I'm supposed to know you from some previous post or whatever. "Arguing for the sake of arguing", yup, which is why I phrased everything in a neutral manner and didn't get argumentative whatsoever.

From watching the behind the scenes stuff I knew how big a fan Lee was of the books, I figured it could be motivated by that.

Take it down a notch.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Take it down a notch.

I have no idea what you took my post to mean, but from the tone of your response I'm not interested in pursuing it.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

[El_Jay]

Pretty sure the statement "arguing for the sake of arguing" can only be construed one possible way, but by all means, avoid pursuing all of my posts if this is indicative of what I'm to expect in the future.

[WhySoCereal]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

If Lee took it personally it would be more because he is such a huge fan of the books than because he was offended as an actor who wanted more screen time. He probably just couldn't understand how you could cut something that important out of the final product.

I agree. I remember Lee saying he read the books annually somewhere in the EE's many special features. I think if he got mad about Saruman's fate not being shown in the TE it was because of his love for the books, not losing screen time.

[WhySoCereal]

Still haven't watched this since I got it Day One. It's hard to find time for a 12 hour event. I usually tackle these EEs as a 6 night thing in which I watch one disc a night.

[retablo]

The irony is that, in any other film, the omission of the fate of Saruman would be construed as a plot hole, and argued incessantly. But not for LOTR fanboys - heck, the Academy even gave the film 11 Oscars. Kind of like the guy Nolan left atop the burning pile of cash in TDK that everyone seemed to forget about.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by retablo

The irony is that, in any other film, the omission of the fate of Saruman would be construed as a plot hole, and argued incessantly. But not for LOTR fanboys - heck, the Academy even gave the film 11 Oscars. Kind of like the guy Nolan left atop the burning pile of cash in TDK that everyone seemed to forget about.

Ok Mr Writer can you do better than Nolan or Jackson? I doubt it, if so you wouldn't be here.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by retablo

The irony is that, in any other film, the omission of the fate of Saruman would be construed as a plot hole, and argued incessantly. But not for LOTR fanboys - heck, the Academy even gave the film 11 Oscars. Kind of like the guy Nolan left atop the burning pile of cash in TDK that everyone seemed to forget about.

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Ok Mr Writer can you do better than Nolan or Jackson? I doubt it, if so you wouldn't be here.

Maybe he can.
Maybe he has.
whose to say that there are not some writers here.
This is a place for fans of films, surely writers are also fans, if not, there would be FAR less sequels around...
And he is a better writer maybe he just doesn't have the correct contacts in Hollywood...

[retablo]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Ok Mr Writer can you do better than Nolan or Jackson? I doubt it, if so you wouldn't be here.

Haha, you must be one of the aforementioned fanboys. Why so serious? I can do better, actually, but "better" is always subjective. I do have a screenwriting agent in LA and have sold a two scripts and have 2 development deals in the works. Have you?

Regardless of my career, its STILL a plot hole, whether or not you kiss Nolan's and Jackson's butt or not. Luckily Jackson was able to fix it in the EEs... Nolan wasn't so lucky. He also forgot about the party of terrorized citizens when the Joker crashed it and threw Rachel out the window... what, did the Joker just smile and leave?

But this was my point... people rushing to defend their fanboy movies while ripping other films apart for plot holes just as glaring.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by retablo

Haha, you must be one of the aforementioned fanboys. Why so serious? I can do better, actually, but "better" is always subjective. I do have a screenwriting agent in LA and have sold a two scripts and have 2 development deals in the works. Have you?

Regardless of my career, its STILL a plot hole, whether or not you kiss Nolan's and Jackson's butt or not. Luckily Jackson was able to fix it in the EEs... Nolan wasn't so lucky. He also forgot about the party of terrorized citizens when the Joker crashed it and threw Rachel out the window... what, did the Joker just smile and leave?

But this was my point... people rushing to defend their fanboy movies while ripping other films apart for plot holes just as glaring.

I will believe that when I see it. You can be anyone behind a computer, but in real life you are just another person. No I am not a writer and I don't care to be. You can watch any movie and see plot holes, the point about a movie is entertainment not dissecting it to find plot holes.

Here's a list of agents to make it easier on you so you dont have to Google it

http://www.hollywoodscriptexpress.co..._agencies.html