The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Constitution 101]

Gee, I just don't think I could go on if we don't have at least another 1,000 posts regarding the tint. Lord knows, we've barely touched on it in this thread or given it the proper amount of attention...

[Bill Clay]

Weird. I watched "The Fellowship of the Ring" the other day on my PS3 and had no problems at all. Then I tried putting in the two discs of extras and neither would play.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Are there rumors on other sites? Which other sites?

If you're talking about the single discussion over at AVS (not really sure why some people are being so cryptic and weird about referencing the forum by name) based on that Amazon review that's obviously completely false. The dude wasn't claiming to have any insider information about a longer version in the works, he claims he has already seen longer versions of all three movies broadcast on the Starz network over Thanksgiving (there was an actual LotR marathon).

I didn't watch the marathon personally, but considering he's the only person on Earth that claims these were extended over the current extended editions it obviously isn't true. There are die hard LotR fans that pore over every bit of info on the internet about LotR/hobbit developments and that one Amazon reviewer is the only mention of such a thing. Peter Jackson can't fart without it being discussed endlessly. His claim of having a "new" version with no green tint has been proven untrue as well - people with copies purchased more than a month after he posted those comments have screencapped their new versions and have confirmed the Fellowship has remained 100% unchanged.

The reference I believe you are referring to what was I thought to be a mild sarcastic attempt at dispelling the post on Amazon.com, which I found humorous. To elaborate further, my guess is that if he were serious, the person in question may have seen an EE version of Fellowship possibly derived from the EE digital copies. The *other* forums I am referring to were not just AVSforum, but many other forums with posters reporting the same thing: they believed the digital copies were untinted and undarkened, unlike the BD's. These forums included hometheaterforum, dvdtalk, and others I cannot recall at this time. I do not believe the person saw additional extended scenes.

And, I'm not sure about "die hard", but yes, I consider myself a LotR fan. As for Peter Jackson, I like him and I'm glad he made the movies. I'm sure he could care less about what I think about incorporating his/Boyen's interpretations over Tolkien in what I regard to be some key scenes, nor should he be concerned, as he has a few billion dollars in the bank more than I do. He will almost certainly make billions more off of The Hobbit, another Tolkien work, and he will deserve it. Obviously he doesn't have to, but I would hope he keeps in mind the intentions of its creator; it would at least seem fitting because all of this originated from Tolkien's mind, and it seems that he has buttered Jackson's bread fairly well. It's just my opinion, and as I have said before, I know what its worth. I like the movies but I like the book more, and I know it's just my opinion. If I saw the movies first or had only read the book once, my opinion would be different, and that would be OK, too.

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Bill Clay

Weird. I watched "The Fellowship of the Ring" the other day on my PS3 and had no problems at all. Then I tried putting in the two discs of extras and neither would play.

Where did you buy the Playstation 3 and where did you get your set of LOTR EE?

It may be the case that the BDs are Region free and the DVDs region coded.
Also if you imported your set from PAL terretories and have a US (NTSC) PS3 the DVDs will most likely not play.

[kdo]

Originally Posted by grand bob

there are rumors on other sites, but i wouldn't believe any of them more than i believe a non-tinted, non-darkened ee version of fellowship is in the works (as some poster on amazon indicated). I don't think jackson has any intention of revisiting lotr, as he is busy with more important matters.

+1

[ry35an]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

Gee, I just don't think I could go on if we don't have at least another 1,000 posts regarding the tint. Lord knows, we've barely touched on it in this thread or given it the proper amount of attention...

What's this tint issue you speak of?

Sorry, couldn't resist..

[riverbelow]

I was wearing my rose tinted glasses the other day and during Fellowship EE I tell you I couldn't even notice this bs green tint being talked about. Silly videophiles hunting stray pixels in their moms basement

[Bill Clay]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Where did you buy the Playstation 3 and where did you get your set of LOTR EE?

It may be the case that the BDs are Region free and the DVDs region coded.
Also if you imported your set from PAL terretories and have a US (NTSC) PS3 the DVDs will most likely not play.

It's all American stuff. I got the LOTR set from Best Buy and the PS3 from Sony. I've played hundreds of blu rays and dvds on it and never had a problem like this. All the LOTR movie blu rays play fine, which is all that I really care about. I'll have to check the extra discs for the other two movies and if there's a problem with them I guess all I can do now is email New Line about it. I bought them on release day but I've been waiting for the right time to watch them.

Thanks for trying to help though.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Bill Clay

It's all American stuff. I got the LOTR set from Best Buy and the PS3 from Sony. I've played hundreds of blu rays and dvds on it and never had a problem like this. All the LOTR movie blu rays play fine, which is all that I really care about. I'll have to check the extra discs for the other two movies and if there's a problem with them I guess all I can do now is email New Line about it. I bought them on release day but I've been waiting for the right time to watch them.

Thanks for trying to help though.

Have you tried the DVD's on another DVD player?

[kdo]

I was cracking up the other night, as I have been watching some of the commentary tracks on these EE's, something I never really got around to back when I owned the EE DVD set. I got a real kick out of Elijah Wood at 1:18:02 on Disc 2 of FOTR (in which he discusses the ring whispering to Aragorn in a tempting manner). As I'm sure many others are already aware, and as the subtitles prove, the Ring clearly says "Aragorn...Elessar," yet Woods qoutes it as "Bless us," and then goes on to explain that it took him a few viewings to realize that's what it was saying ...I was like "Way to go Elijah...took you a few viewings to get it WRONG!"

Also loved Orlando Bloom explaining (in the scene immediately following the escape from Moria) how he was trying to give the character of Legolas this look of utter confusion after having lost Gandalf, since as he says "Elves are immortal," and hence don't understand loss or death. And I'm like, yeah uh-huh...while elves are immortal in terms of longevity, they can still be killed , and I think it's a little odd that a warrior-elf like Legolas, being as old as he was, wouldn't have had any prior experience with death, or what it's like to experience loss .

Lastly, got great enjoyment out of conceptual designer John Howe's comment at 0:30:30 on Disc 1 of TT, where he refers to the Uruk-Hai's line "Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!" as being "silly," since it's quite unlikely that the Uruk's, having been recently created by Saruman solely for war purposes, would have eaten at a restaurant where they'd have had access to a menu...I'd never thought of that before, but it makes perfect sense, and had me rolling ...

[Starmartyr]

Originally Posted by kdo

I was cracking up the other night, as I have been watching some of the commentary tracks on these EE's, something I never really got around to back when I owned the EE DVD set. I got a real kick out of Elijah Wood at 1:18:02 on Disc 2 of FOTR (in which he discusses the ring whispering to Aragorn in a tempting manner). As I'm sure many others are already aware, and as the subtitles prove, the Ring clearly says "Aragorn...Elessar," yet Woods qoutes it as "Bless us," and then goes on to explain that it took him a few viewings to realize that's what it was saying ...I was like "Way to go Elijah...took you a few viewings to get it WRONG!"

Also loved Orlando Bloom explaining (in the scene immediately following the escape from Moria) how he was trying to give the character of Legolas this look of utter confusion after having lost Gandalf, since as he says "Elves are immortal," and hence don't understand loss or death. And I'm like, yeah uh-huh...while elves are immortal in terms of longevity, they can still be killed , and I think it's a little odd that a warrior-elf like Legolas, being as old as he was, wouldn't have had any prior experience with death, or what it's like to experience loss .

Lastly, got great enjoyment out of conceptual designer John Howe's comment at 0:30:30 on Disc 1 of TT, where he refers to the Uruk-Hai's line "Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!" as being "silly," since it's quite unlikely that the Uruk's, having been recently created by Saruman solely for war purposes, would have eaten at a restaurant where they'd have had access to a menu...I'd never thought of that before, but it makes perfect sense, and had me rolling ...

So much of the behind the scenes stuff with the cast is really hilarious, they were always putting on for the camera, totally deadpanning stuff. They always had jokes on each other, and played a lot of pranks too. My brother watched most of the special features when the EE's came out on DVD; him and my nephew had a lot of laughs with those. I saw quite a few select scenes, but I have yet to really dig in to them myself.

Sounds like I'll have to have a watch with the commentary tracks too, they sound entertaining!

[Agent Bond]

Silly videophiles hunting stray pixels in their moms basement

LOL, good one!

[Bill Clay]

Originally Posted by chip75

Have you tried the DVD's on another DVD player?

Yeah, they all play fine. I checked every other disc in the set on the PS3 too and they all played. I ended up unplugging the thing and moving it to a different spot this weekend and now those first two discs that wouldn't play, play perfectly. God only knows why.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by kdo

Also loved Orlando Bloom explaining (in the scene immediately following the escape from Moria) how he was trying to give the character of Legolas this look of utter confusion after having lost Gandalf, since as he says "Elves are immortal," and hence don't understand loss or death. And I'm like, yeah uh-huh...while elves are immortal in terms of longevity, they can still be killed , and I think it's a little odd that a warrior-elf like Legolas, being as old as he was, wouldn't have had any prior experience with death, or what it's like to experience loss .

I was hoping Jackson would use the EE's to elaborate on the primary theme of Lord of the Rings, which Tolkien said was Death. In the course of writing LotR, he developed ideas which he addressed in later writings, such as Morgoth's Ring. For example, "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" is a story where the Elven King Finrod discusses aspects of mortality and immortality with the human woman Andreth. Tolkien called Finrod "the wisest of the exiled [Elves], being more concerned than all others with matters of thought (rather than with making or with skill of hand)". He later wrote a discourse on this chapter. Here is a brief excerpt:

"Elvish 'immortality' is bounded within a part of Time, and is therefore strictly to be called rather 'serial longetivity', the uttmost limit of which is the length of the existence of Arda [the Earth]. A corollary of this is that the Elvish fea [soul] is also limited to the time of Arda, or at least held within it and unable to leave it, while it lasts. Since Men die, without accident, their [soul] must have a different relation to Time. The Elves believed, though they had no certain information, that the soul of men, if disembodied, left Time (sooner and later) and never returned.

The Elves observed that all Men died. They therefore deduced that this was 'natural' to Men, and supposed that the brevity of human life was due to this character of the human soul: that it was designed not to stay long [on the Earth]. Whereas their own soul, being designed to remain [on Earth] until its end, imposed long endurance on their bodies; for they were (as a fact of experience) in far greater control of them.

Beyond the end of [the Earth] Elvish thought could not penetrate, and they were without any specific instruction. It seemed clear to them that their [bodies] must end... All the Elves would then 'die' at the End of [the Earth]. What this would mean they did not know. They said therefore that Men had a shadow behind them, but the Elves had a shadow before them.

Their dilemma was this: the thought of existence as soul only was revolting to them, and they found it hard to believe that it was natural or designed for them, since they were essentially 'dwellers on Earth', and by nature wholly in love with the Earth. The alternative: that their soul would also cease to exist at 'the End', seemed even more intolerable. Both absolute annihilation, and cessation of conscious identity, were wholly repugnant to thought and desire."

So the Elves will also die some day. The difference is that they have a tremendously greater amount of time to think about it, and the uncertainty of what happens "afterwards" also occupies their thought. The dialog in the story ends with Finrod addressing Andreth:

"But you [humans] are not for [the Earth]. Whither you go may you find light. Await us there, my brother - and me."

Wouldn't a discussion similar to this between Aragorn and Elrond (or Legolas or Arwen) have been more interesting than an avalanche of skulls?

[gregmasciola]

I've been reading the books for awhile now. I'm on Return Of The King now (Pippen is looking for Gandalf because Denethor is about to burn himself and Faramir).
One of the things I've noticed while reading the books is that there are lots of deeper discussions between characters. While I do feel like it would be interesting to see these parts in the movie, I also feel like it would keep putting the story on hold, like everyone just said "stop, we're going to sit around and talk for about fifteen minutes now".
They're great to read in the book, but I think they would kind of kill the pacing of the movie a bit.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by riverbelow

I was wearing my rose tinted glasses the other day and during Fellowship EE I tell you I couldn't even notice this bs green tint being talked about. Silly videophiles hunting stray pixels in their moms basement

Ah yes, a uniform green tint is certainly "stray pixels", just pure nitpickery.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I was hoping Jackson would use the EE's to elaborate on the primary theme of Lord of the Rings, which Tolkien said was Death. In the course of writing LotR, he developed ideas which he addressed in later writings, such as Morgoth's Ring. For example, "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" is a story where the Elven King Finrod discusses aspects of mortality and immortality with the human woman Andreth. Tolkien called Finrod "the wisest of the exiled [Elves], being more concerned than all others with matters of thought (rather than with making or with skill of hand)". He later wrote a discourse on this chapter. Here is a brief excerpt:

"Elvish 'immortality' is bounded within a part of Time, and is therefore strictly to be called rather 'serial longetivity', the uttmost limit of which is the length of the existence of Arda [the Earth]. A corollary of this is that the Elvish fea [soul] is also limited to the time of Arda, or at least held within it and unable to leave it, while it lasts. Since Men die, without accident, their [soul] must have a different relation to Time. The Elves believed, though they had no certain information, that the soul of men, if disembodied, left Time (sooner and later) and never returned.

The Elves observed that all Men died. They therefore deduced that this was 'natural' to Men, and supposed that the brevity of human life was due to this character of the human soul: that it was designed not to stay long [on the Earth]. Whereas their own soul, being designed to remain [on Earth] until its end, imposed long endurance on their bodies; for they were (as a fact of experience) in far greater control of them.

Beyond the end of [the Earth] Elvish thought could not penetrate, and they were without any specific instruction. It seemed clear to them that their [bodies] must end... All the Elves would then 'die' at the End of [the Earth]. What this would mean they did not know. They said therefore that Men had a shadow behind them, but the Elves had a shadow before them.

Their dilemma was this: the thought of existence as soul only was revolting to them, and they found it hard to believe that it was natural or designed for them, since they were essentially 'dwellers on Earth', and by nature wholly in love with the Earth. The alternative: that their soul would also cease to exist at 'the End', seemed even more intolerable. Both absolute annihilation, and cessation of conscious identity, were wholly repugnant to thought and desire."

So the Elves will also die some day. The difference is that they have a tremendously greater amount of time to think about it, and the uncertainty of what happens "afterwards" also occupies their thought. The dialog in the story ends with Finrod addressing Andreth:

"But you [humans] are not for [the Earth]. Whither you go may you find light. Await us there, my brother - and me."

Wouldn't a discussion similar to this between Aragorn and Elrond (or Legolas or Arwen) have been more interesting than an avalanche of skulls?

I like that but would not want that in the movie. Its too much exposition that would in no way advance the plot. That's a script writing no no.

[riverbelow]

Originally Posted by riverbelow

I was wearing my rose tinted glasses the other day and during Fellowship EE I tell you I couldn't even notice this bs green tint being talked about. Silly videophiles hunting stray pixels in their moms basement

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Ah yes, a uniform green tint is certainly "stray pixels", just pure nitpickery.

Someone might want to upgrade their sarcasm detection? Direct your eyes to the very first words in the quote. Gives it away for most intelligent people.

[El_Jay]

Rose-tinted glasses are generally a reference to nostalgia, perhaps if you upgraded your Joke Machine I wouldn't need to upgrade my Sarcasm Detector?

+1 for the dig about "intelligent people", something about stones and glass houses comes to mind after reading your well-reasoned posts in other threads this week.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Cook

I like that but would not want that in the movie. Its too much exposition that would in no way advance the plot. That's a script writing no no.

Movies occasionally delve into deeper subjects like that. There was a little bit of that between Gandalf and Pippin in the ROTK movie.