The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[42041]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That doesn't make them right.

What is this deep ethical issue with 3D conversion? Does it somehow diminish the original version? It is just a way to get people excited to see the film again. Personally I thought Titanic in 3D looked pretty terrific and if LOTR was converted at a similar quality level I'd be happy to go see it.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

What follows the word 'fact' in that statement is all opinion.

No, it's not. It's completely useless to watch a native 2D film in 3D just as it's completely useless to listen to a native 5.1 mix in 7.1.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by 42041

What is this deep ethical issue with 3D conversion? Does it somehow diminish the original version? It is just a way to get people excited to see the film again. Personally I thought Titanic in 3D looked pretty terrific and if LOTR was converted at a similar quality level I'd be happy to go see it.

That's exactly what the studios want you to think. It's just a gimmick for extra cash just like the present home 3D model.

[Revolution 9]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It's completely useless to watch a native 2D film in 3D just as it's completely useless to listen to a native 5.1 mix in 7.1.

If what you say is true, then it must follow that it's also "completely useless" to watch a native 3D film in 2D... yes?

Hugo? Avatar? Up? Prometheus? Dial M for Murder?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Revolution 9

If what you say is true, then it must follow that it's also "completely useless" to watch a native 3D film in 2D... yes?

Hugo? Avatar? Up? Prometheus? Dial M for Murder?

Are some people physically unable to see 2D? No. Does 2D require extra equipment of any kind to view? No. Can all theaters present in 3D? No.

Sorry, but flipping the argument is not apples to oranges.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

No, it's not. It's completely useless to watch a native 2D film in 3D

Well, that's your personal taste, which is where opinion rather than fact comes into it. I've watched conversions that have been fantastic - The Avengers, The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Titanic - and at no point was I being 'tricked' by the film companies into enjoying it. I've seen some that didn't work for me either but that doesn't mean that I was sticking it to the man or seeing how things really are those times.

It doesn't work for you. Great. Well, not great for you - you're missing out on another way to experience a film (not necessarily a definitive way to experience any given film but a new and sometimes great way to experience it). But fair enough. But what you like and don't like isn't the magic divider that all good and bad things are universally catagorised into.

That's exactly what the studios want you to think.

Hey, why don't you throw the word 'sheeple' in there as well, to really make it a convincing and subversive internet argument.

[Revolution 9]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Are some people physically unable to see 2D? No.

Now you're just being ridiculous. Most people are physically able to see 3D, but decided to watch those films in 2D anyway. Just personal preference.

Why don't you bring your pitchfork and torches to their door?

[The Apocalypse]

I like The Lord of the Rings

[retablo]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Everything I just said was a fact. It is beyond pointless to watch a film that was natively filmed in 2D in 3D. It's just like listening to native 5.1 mixes in 7.1, which is also pointless.

Well, by that logic, it's beyond pointless to watch a movie natively shot on film on any other medium but film.

[Revolution 9]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It's just a gimmick for extra cash

So by your standards... presenting Dial M for Murder, Avatar, Up, Prometheus, and Hugo in 2D was also just a "gimmick for extra cash"?

[Buddy Ackerman]

To bring it back to Lord of the Rings (EDIT: as EclipseSSD is doing) - if they ever get converted then I'll be very excited. There's plenty of scope in the films for the 3D to work with the film - the action of Helm's Deep for example, or the sweeping shots of Minas Tirith. And all of those natural New Zealand landscapes with the depth of field that 3D can provide...

Basically, just do the opening five minutes of The Two Towers. Those beautiful mountains in 3D, followed by Gandalf's plunge after the Balrog? If done right that could be stunning (and, secretly, I've always wanted to see that plunge in 3D, even before 3D became common-place).

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

To bring it back to Lord of the Rings (EDIT: as EclipseSSD is doing) - if they ever get converted then I'll be very excited. There's plenty of scope in the films for the 3D to work with the film - the action of Helm's Deep for example, or the sweeping shots of Minas Tirith. And all of those natural New Zealand landscapes with the depth of field that 3D can provide...

Basically, just do the opening five minutes of The Two Towers. Those beautiful mountains in 3D, followed by Gandalf's plunge after the Balrog? If done right that could be stunning (and, secretly, I've always wanted to see that plunge in 3D, even before 3D became common-place).

Did you know the "mountain" opening of The Two Towers is a re-purposed shot from Fellowship of the Ring, only run backwards? Just as the prologue of Fellowship uses shots from Saruman's village purge from The Two Towers.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That doesn't make them right.

Never said it did. But let us keep this in mind... the 3D versions will never replace the 2D versions. So, there is really no right or wrong here. Either see the 3D or don't. Your choice. Nobody will shove it down your throat.

[Agent Bond]

Hey guys, did the special features from the theatrical versions box set get ported over to the Extended Editions' Appendices or are those extras exclusive to that set? I'm asking in case I might have to double dip.

Ouch. Should have waited till it went on sale, which it occasionally does.

Yeah, but my impatience got the better of me.

I'm definitely going to wait for Star Wars to go on sale though.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Did you know the "mountain" opening of The Two Towers is a re-purposed shot from Fellowship of the Ring, only run backwards? Just as the prologue of Fellowship uses shots from Saruman's village purge from The Two Towers.

I did. It's an absolutely breathtaking shot though, it's forgivable of them to want to showcase it again. (And those mountains are even more stunning in real life )

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

Hey guys, did the special features from the theatrical versions box set get ported over to the Extended Editions' Appendices or are those extras exclusive to that set? I'm asking in case I might have to double dip.

No, they didn't - both editions have different features. Though the theatrical ones are more promo, PR pieces. If you have the Extended Editions then you're not missing out on much, that's where the real meat is.

[Black Sunshine]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Did you know the "mountain" opening of The Two Towers is a re-purposed shot from Fellowship of the Ring, only run backwards? Just as the prologue of Fellowship uses shots from Saruman's village purge from The Two Towers.

And without the Flying Eagle.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Everything I just said was a fact. It is beyond pointless to watch a film that was natively filmed in 2D in 3D. It's just like listening to native 5.1 mixes in 7.1, which is also pointless.

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That's exactly what the studios want you to think. It's just a gimmick for extra cash just like the present home 3D model.

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Are some people physically unable to see 2D? No. Does 2D require extra equipment of any kind to view? No. Can all theaters present in 3D? No.

Sorry, but flipping the argument is not apples to oranges.

Why is it that everytime the number "3" and the letter "D" are put together in these forums, some zealot has to chime in as though they are being tied to a chair with their eyes forced open in front of a giant unavoidable screen and being forced to experience the technology. More importantly, why is there always someone who reacts as though the very nature of their core spiritual values is being raped by said technology?

Can't it just be accepted as an optional viewing experience that you can avoid EXTREMELY EASILY should you choose to while letting those who enjoy it indulge?

You aren't convincing anyone here to sell their 3D equipment and/or content. So, what's the point in constantly debating it? You said your peace. Everyone saw you don't know fact from opinion regarding the technology. Just move on.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Why is it that everytime the number "3" and the letter "D" are put together in these forums, some zealot has to chime in as though they are being tied to a chair with their eyes forced open in front of a giant unavoidable screen and being forced to experience the technology. More importantly, why is there always someone who reacts as though the very nature of their core spiritual values is being raped by said technology?

Can't it just be accepted as an optional viewing experience that you can avoid EXTREMELY EASILY should you choose to while letting those who enjoy it indulge?

You aren't convincing anyone here to sell their 3D equipment and/or content. So, what's the point in constantly debating it? You said your peace. Everyone saw you don't know fact from opinion regarding the technology. Just move on.

Thing is, HD Goofnut isn't wrong when he says that it's just a marketing gimmick. That's really all it amounts to... but funny thing is, people have wanted 3D for their films without having the red and green anaglyph thing. They wanted to see their movies in 3D, in full, glorious color. So there's definitely a market.

Of course, HD Goofnut is taking this to a whole new level, openning up a discussion about 'right' vs. 'wrong', when it's really not that simple. I don't think it is as much of a bastardization as, say, coloring an old black and white film. Something like that totally changes the intended tone and feel of the film, and I'm not convinced that 3D hinders a film in the same way.

But as I already said, there's the 'don't watch it' option. Nobody is telling anyone that they'll never be able to enjoy LOTR in 2D in the future. The 3D versions will not be forced down our throat as an 'all or nothing' selling point. Nobody is going all Lucas on LOTR and demanding that the 3D versions will be what people should merely deal with for the rest of time.

I take the moral high ground on a good many issues on this forum... the transference of black and white to color, for one, as well as being an OAR purist... but 3D conversions aren't really a big deal. Who cares if it's making the studios money? They're not RUINING the films by doing it. Are conversions 'less than' when compared to natively shot 3D? Of course, but as Wrath of Titans have shown us, the conversion can be quite convincing if enough time and attention to detail is spent. And this 3D technology, especially conversions, will only get better as time goes on. I see no problem in offering audiences a CHOICE in the theater... and most of the time, we get the choice to choose between 3D and 2D. So, what's the harm in it. Honestly?

[JavaJulien]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

But as I already said, there's the 'don't watch it' option. Nobody is telling anyone that they'll never be able to enjoy LOTR in 2D in the future. The 3D versions will not be forced down our throat as an 'all or nothing' selling point. Nobody is going all Lucas on LOTR and demanding that the 3D versions will be what people should merely deal with for the rest of time.

I'm not particularly big on 3D myself, but the only thing that ever bothered me is when studios start to do things like Transformers: Dark of the Moon with their home releases. The 2D version is gimped while the 3D version is the "true" version.