The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[MaliciousIntent]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

Note: This is only a cell phone photo, but man, there are a few times where the detail is so much more crisp and detailed in this set. For example Gothmog. You can see literally almost all the detail in his face it's insane. I can't imagine how this looks in 4K, but it's outstanding on the Blu-ray.

The 4K's are upscaled and were impressive when comparing to the older Blu-ray releases. But IMO, the new Blu-ray's look way better than the 4K's. See for yourself...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=15614

[Catbug]

So, should I return my recently purchased 2012 Extended set and 2010 Theatrical set? If both of the new remastered sets contain the same bonus features as the older ones, the upgrade makes sense right? I only have another week or so before the return window ends so I don’t want to miss out..

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Catbug

So, should I return my recently purchased 2012 Extended set and 2010 Theatrical set? If both of the new remastered sets contain the same bonus features as the older ones, the upgrade makes sense right? I only have another week or so before the return window ends so I don’t want to miss out..

Based on the screencaps I've seen, I'd say:

-return the 2012 Extended set (and get the Remastered Extended set)
-keep the 2010 Theatrical set (and forego the Remastered Theatrical set)

The 2010 theatrical release of FOTR does not have the notorious puke-green tint of the Extended edition, so it's entirely watchable. Plus, this way, you'll have an interesting basis for comparing the two different grading approaches overall.

I'm still waiting for my remastered Extended set to come in (should be some time this week) but based on the screencaps I've seen, it's a no-brainer: the remastered TT and ROTK do look better than the 2012 versions, while the remastered FOTR is so far superior to the unwatchable 2012 Fellowship of the Green as to be beyond comparison.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by Catbug

So, should I return my recently purchased 2012 Extended set and 2010 Theatrical set? If both of the new remastered sets contain the same bonus features as the older ones, the upgrade makes sense right? I only have another week or so before the return window ends so I don’t want to miss out..

I would say for the remastered set. Pro's and cons to the remastered.

Pro's:

Fellowship no longer has green tint
Better Compression
Better color on all three films
Certain scenes have more detail

Con's:

More DNR
Some scenes have less detail
Some revisionism with color in certain scenes
CGI looks a bit more dated due to colors

Overall, I still think the remastered set is the clear winner

[Catbug]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

I would say for the remastered set. Pro's and cons to the remastered.

Pro's:

Fellowship no longer has green tint
Better Compression
Better color on all three films
Certain scenes have more detail

Con's:

More DNR
Some scenes have less detail
Some revisionism with color in certain scenes
CGI looks a bit more dated due to colors

Overall, I still think the remastered set is the clear winner

Okay thanks for the response. And just to confirm, both the theatrical and extended remaster sets contain the exact same bonus features as their older counterparts?

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by Catbug

Okay thanks for the response. And just to confirm, both the theatrical and extended remaster sets contain the exact same bonus features as their older counterparts?

I believe so as there are three additional discs per film, but I haven't jumped into those yet.

To be honest, I actually swapped out the discs from the old set with the new set. The old extended box is actually much nicer than the new release. Sturdy and make the films feel more epic. The new set's box feels flimsy and doesn't have the same momentous feeling as the original extended film boxset, but again the new set has the three additional discs that were present in the original extended set. (Not sure about the theatrical)

[Friginator]

Originally Posted by Catbug

So, should I return my recently purchased 2012 Extended set and 2010 Theatrical set? If both of the new remastered sets contain the same bonus features as the older ones, the upgrade makes sense right? I only have another week or so before the return window ends so I don’t want to miss out..

I’d stick with the 2010/2012 sets, personally. The only thing about the new remasters that’s a substantial improvement for me is the compression and the lack of green tint of the EE of Fellowship, both of which I’m willing to live without.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

For those wanting to compare the new Blu-rays to the 4Ks What's interesting, is that there is a difference in color/shade between the two. Look at the second and third Sauramon caps. The 4K is much darker, but the Blu-ray has more vibrancy and clear to see the skin imperfections on Christopher Lee's skin. Not sure what's going on there as I'm sure someone with more technical prowess than me could explain.

4K UHD with HDR and Dolby Vision is not going to look like the standard blu-ray, that's to be expected and beside, a person can't judge a movie from viewing still photo screenshots. You'll have to see the entire movie in motion. There's more than three shots in a movie. I don't know why people keep on comparing the blu-ray to the 4K UHD, when they know they're not going to look the same.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by slimdude

4K UHD with HDR and Dolby Vision is not going to look like the standard blu-ray, that's to be expected and beside, a person can't judge a movie from viewing still photo screenshots. You'll have to see the entire movie in motion. There's more than three shots in a movie. I don't know why people keep on comparing the blu-ray to the 4K UHD, when they know they're not going to look the same.

A. Since this post I have gotten the Blu-ray set and have shared my thoughts.

B. Your post is outdated

C. It was nice not seeing any of your posts for awhile. I'd suggest going back to Hobbiton

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

A. Since this post I have gotten the Blu-ray set and have shared my thoughts.

B. Your post is outdated

C. It was nice not seeing any of your posts for awhile. I'd suggest going back to Hobbiton

A- View the 4K UHD presentation on its own merits, and stop comparing them to the blu-ray.

B. No posts are outdated, they're forever.

C. slimdude is in the house, and I'm not going anywhere!

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by slimdude

A- View the 4K UHD presentation on its own merits, and stop comparing them to the blu-ray.

B. No posts are outdated, they're forever.

C. slimdude is in the house, and I'm not going anywhere!

I probably could get a better response from an inanimate object at this point.

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

I believe so as there are three additional discs per film, but I haven't jumped into those yet.

To be honest, I actually swapped out the discs from the old set with the new set. The old extended box is actually much nicer than the new release. Sturdy and make the films feel more epic. The new set's box feels flimsy and doesn't have the same momentous feeling as the original extended film boxset, but again the new set has the three additional discs that were present in the original extended set. (Not sure about the theatrical)

I was thinking of doing the same thing. Love the black blu-ray cases as well and it looks great next to The Hobbit Extended Set.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

I would say for the remastered set. Pro's and cons to the remastered.

Pro's:

Fellowship no longer has green tint
Better Compression
Better color on all three films
Certain scenes have more detail

Con's:

More DNR
Some scenes have less detail
Some revisionism with color in certain scenes
CGI looks a bit more dated due to colors

Overall, I still think the remastered set is the clear winner

There's nothing clear about it. Other than the green tint in FOTR of the original set is better overall. TTT and ROTK are not worth buying unless you're buying the UHDs.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

There's nothing clear about it. Other than the green tint in FOTR of the original set is better overall. TTT and ROTK are not worth buying unless you're buying the UHDs.

It's clear to me, I 100% disagree, and that's fine. I personally don't mind DNR in some scenes for better colors and some detail in certain scenes. It's a trade off for sure, at your milage may vary, but the remastered Blu-rays blow the old set out of the water. I don't want to turn this into another pissing contest, so again, feel free to disagree.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

It's clear to me, I 100% disagree, and that's fine. I personally don't mind DNR in some scenes for better colors and some detail in certain scenes. It's a trade off for sure, at your milage may vary, but the remastered Blu-rays blow the old set out of the water. I don't want to turn this into another pissing contest, so again, feel free to disagree.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I just want evidence in the thread that you're so wrong so other members don't waste their money.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I just want evidence in the thread that you're so wrong so other members don't waste their money.

People are mostly adults here right? They can look at the screen caps and judge for themselves. They don't need someone telling them someone is wrong or right for something that is subjective. Some people like the news colors despite having additional DNR. Deal with it, and move on.

I'm not sure why you're always so insecure that you can't accept any opinion that's different than yours and that you need to go out of your way tell people they are wrong. I try to be respectful to you without telling you that you're wrong even if that's what I think. You don't have to to start a debate over everything to try and stroke your ego.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

People are mostly adults here right? They can look at the screen caps and judge for themselves. They don't need someone telling them someone is wrong or right for something that is subjective. Some people like the news colors despite having additional DNR. Deal with it, and move on.

I'm not sure why you're always so insecure that you can't accept any opinion that's different than yours and that you need to go out of your way tell people they are wrong. I try to be respectful to you without telling you that you're wrong even if that's what I think. You don't have to to start a debate over everything to try and stroke your ego.

No debate. Facts are facts. We are here to determine the facts, which I knew for these before you even received your discs. Fine detail is stripped away to a great extent in all three films with TTT and ROTK being the worst. If you're fine with a waxy look then by all means purchase the new BDs of TTT and ROTK. Now, I can completely understand a purchase of FOTR due to the green tint being removed.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

No debate. Facts are facts. We are here to determine the facts, which I knew for these before you even received your discs. Fine detail is stripped away to a great extent in all three films with TTT and ROTK being the worst. If you're fine with a waxy look then by all means purchase the new BDs of TTT and ROTK. Now, I can completely understand a purchase of FOTR due to the green tint being removed.

So you're saying art is not subjective? Do you know what subjectivity even means? Just because you look at something and think it doesn't look as good as someone else means nothing to that other person. No one is questioning that there is additional DNR applied. It is. That's a FACT.

The debate which you are saying doesn't exist, is which release looks better? Yes, some fine detail is removed, but other scenes actually have more detail where DNR was not as applied. I've seen details on the films that I never even noticed. (Gothmog looks creepier than ever) Overall, the new color does in fact make this look more appealing. It's a shame about the DNR, but I've seen it applied far worse in numerous films. It's a shame that's it's there, but it's not a deal breaker.

If you want the films to look just like they used to look, then yes, this release might not be for you as there are a lot of liberties taken with color and revisionism.

As I mentioned before, people are adults. They can look at the screen caps and make their own decision without you telling people they are right or wrong.

[dcowboy7]

Best Buy had the extended set already on the shelf though it doesnt really come out til tomorrow.

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Now, I can completely understand a purchase of FOTR due to the green tint being removed.

Is the de-gamma-rayed FOTR Extended / standard Blu-ray only available in this set or can it also be bought separately? Just want to make sure before opening my Remastered set.