Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by RodChester

Just through streaming.

I thought it was HFR on streaming?

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I thought it was HFR on streaming?

i don't know about streaming but i can confirm that 4K UHD disc is 59.940 FPS...

[TitusTroy]

now that I've seen a few reviews I'm going to wait for a deep discount...the 4K/DV sounds excellent but the soap opera effect seems strong which is a total turnoff for me...

[XavierTheaterPotato]

Originally Posted by birdztudio

regular blu-ray is 23.976 fps

Already got my answer. I'll still rent at some point if I like the movie or at least enjoyed it. Whether it be UHD 60fps or Bluray 24fps.

Regardless, 60fps on a movie should be interesting. The Hobbit was natively 48fps(I believe), but was never released on bluray with it. I never saw it that way.

[RockyIII]

How can this be DV at 60fps when DV home video is limited to 30hz?

[BenjaminG]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

How can this be DV at 60fps when DV home video is limited to 30hz?

The last part is wrong.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by birdztudio

i don't know about streaming but i can confirm that 4K UHD disc is 59.940 FPS...

A average Joe Six Pack consumer (who's not a tech geek) wouldn't have a clue what the heck you're talking about, nor they wouldn't care about what those numbers is suppose to mean. As long as the movie look and sound good, that's all that matter to them. When people buy movies, they don't give a rats behind about all of the intricate technical specifications of the disc, all they want and care about is the movie.

[ninfan81]

Originally Posted by slimdude

A average Joe Six Pack consumer (who's not a tech geek) wouldn't have a clue what the heck you're talking about, nor they wouldn't care about what those numbers is suppose to mean. As long as the movie look and sound good, that's all that matter to them. When people buy movies, they don't give a rats behind about all of the intricate technical specifications of the disc, all they want and care about is the movie.

An average Joe wouldn't be on this site in this thread either. You are the average Joe who got lost here and can't figure out where the exit is.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

What's the difference between Dolby Vision MEL and FEL?
Do you know of some examples of movies released in both flavours of Dolby Vision?

MEL is the minimum enhancement layer version which just adds the dynamic metadata to the HDR10 base layer. FEL is the full enhancement version which blends a 'difference' layer with the base layer to achieve 12-bit depth and other potential improvements like reduced banding and better compression.

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Will Motion Interpolation work with 60 fps video? On my Samsung TV and wiyh the Billy Lynn movie I tried Motion Interpolation and made no effect.

If you have a 120Hz TV it does. There are minimal motion artefacts too because the TV is only having to create every other frame.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by slimdude

A average Joe Six Pack consumer (who's not a tech geek) wouldn't have a clue what the heck you're talking about, nor they wouldn't care about what those numbers is suppose to mean. As long as the movie look and sound good, that's all that matter to them. When people buy movies, they don't give a rats behind about all of the intricate technical specifications of the disc, all they want and care about is the movie.

See how you feel about the tech stuff? That's how people feel about your posts.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BenjaminG

The last part is wrong.

Ok correction: my 2016 LG oled tv is limited to 30HZ dolby vision. So what happens in that case?

[Geoff D]

We were speculating on that earlier in the thread. Short answer: we don't know.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

We were speculating on that earlier in the thread. Short answer: we don't know.

Geoffy you have an older Sony circa 2016 and I'm sure youi too are limited to DV 30Hz. This might be a deal breaker for us.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Geoffy you have an older Sony circa 2016 and I'm sure youi too are limited to DV 30Hz. This might be a deal breaker for us.

I thought that the low latency mode might have similar trouble but there's been no official confirmation of that.

IMO I think that if the movie can't run in 60p DV then it'll simply run in HDR10 60p, but that's just a guess. In any case the movie has been mastered to 1000 nits so tone mapping isn't a problem at my end, and the Dolby layer is so slight that it should barely have any impact on improving the HDR10.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

See how you feel about the tech stuff? That's how people feel about your posts.

I love it.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I thought that the low latency mode might have similar trouble but there's been no official confirmation of that.

IMO I think that if the movie can't run in 60p DV then it'll simply run in HDR10 60p, but that's just a guess. In any case the movie has been mastered to 1000 nits so tone mapping isn't a problem at my end, and the Dolby layer is so slight that it should barely have any impact on improving the HDR10.

I have two LG BD players, one is DV capable and the other one is HDR10 only. I guess I'm covered when the time comes to play this gem?

[avs commenter]

So the decision for no 60 FPS for streaming version.....do we think that's for technical reasons/issues, or just that that version is more appealing for the masses?

[Zimmy]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

now that I've seen a few reviews I'm going to wait for a deep discount...the 4K/DV sounds excellent but the soap opera effect seems strong which is a total turnoff for me...

Well, since this isn't some TV setting but a directorial choice, I thought it was at least interesting.
It looked like that in theater so that is what I would want at home.
When watching, I felt like I was at one of those Disney Hollywood stunt attractions.
The scene when the older Smith bats down a grenade from the second floor of the hotel(?) looked so realistic to me. There wasn't some orange ball of fire, just a loud bang, the trees moving, and smoke.

GEMINI MAN - First Fight Junior Scene (2019) - YouTube

1:43 from this clip.

The movie has its issues (including wasting the beauty of MEW) but it deserves a watch on the technical level.

[BLMN]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Geoffy you have an older Sony circa 2016 and I'm sure youi too are limited to DV 30Hz. This might be a deal breaker for us.

I was reading old posts on avs about Apple 4ktv and DV in 60hz mode on the Z9D and people succeeded running this so maybe We won’t have a problem with Gemini Man running DV 60hz. Will see when the disc is out.

[Harry Lloyd]

Just watched the 60 FPS version and it looks awful. Some scenes are a complete joke,

[Show spoiler]like the catacombs fight, the bike stunts or that "soldier" running near the end

. They look like they are played at twice the normal speed.

Very nice 4K and HDR, though. If they ever want to release something at 60 FPS, I hope they provide a 24 FPS version on another disc.