Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[dcx4610]

Blind bought and watched this...wow. My new #1 favorite disc. While I wouldn't want every movie or even most movies at 60fps, this was incredible.

Yes, the story is pretty generic and standard action fare but it's very well done, exciting, good stunt work and fairly well paced.

The visuals though are absolutely stunning. From the 60fps, to the cinematography, to the gorgeous and best use of HDR I've seen yet, this has demo disc written all over it. The sound is equally impressive and immersive.

The CG Will Smith still has quite a bit of uncanny valley to it but sometimes it's completely believable. It's a shame that people don't seem to go for action stars anymore these days. It seems like movies from Will Smith, Arnold and to a lesser extent, Stallone, all either flop or just don't do well anymore.

If this was released in the 80s or 90s, I think it would be considered an all time classic if purely for the action and plot. It fees like a 90s movie and gave me Terminator 2 vibes at times.

Either way, if you want to showcase what 4K is capable of, you can't go wrong with this disc.

[CelestialAgent]

Even if you don’t like this masterpiece of a movie, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is incredibly hot, therefore it’s a must watch.

[Sky_Captain]

What he said.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Even if you don’t like this masterpiece of a movie, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is incredibly hot, therefore it’s a must watch.

[Sky_Captain]

[CHONK!]

Maybe you all should watch Death Proof

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Even if you don’t like this masterpiece of a movie, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is incredibly hot, therefore it’s a must watch.

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[dcx4610]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Even if you don’t like this masterpiece of a movie, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is incredibly hot, therefore it’s a must watch.

I'm not lying when I say I blind bought this partially because she was in it. I was debating buying it and then looked on the back cover, saw Mary and that sealed the deal.

[Zimmy]

I am the biggest fan of MEW and I have to hand it to Ang Lee, he was the only person in the world who could make her look average and schlubby.

One of my best looking 4k Blu-Rays and she looks she actually does work on a dock.

[dcx4610]

Originally Posted by Zimmy

I am the biggest fan of MEW and I have to hand it to Ang Lee, he was the only person in the world who could make her look average and schlubby.

One of my best looking 4k Blu-Rays and she looks she actually does work on a dock.

I'm glad they made her look a little shlubby. If she looked like she did in Deathproof, I couldn't take her seriously. She needed to be a little more normal looking to be believable.

Back on topic, does anyone know the specs for the disc? I'm sure the math in my head is wrong but how are they able to fit 60fps/4K on a single 100GB disc? Especially looking the way it looks.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dcx4610

I'm glad they made her look a little shlubby. If she looked like she did in Deathproof, I couldn't take her seriously. She needed to be a little more normal looking to be believable.

Back on topic, does anyone know the specs for the disc? I'm sure the math in my head is wrong but how are they able to fit 60fps/4K on a single 100GB disc? Especially looking the way it looks.

Interframe compression codecs are built around temporal redundancy, i.e. there's no need to encode this entire frame when you can just encode the difference data between that and the reference frame. So, ironically enough, the more frames you have that are similar to each other the easier it will be for the codec to generate the difference data. Not saying that it takes up less space than 24fps, no no no, but it doesn't result in as big of a jump in bitrate/bandwidth as you might think (though uncompressed professional masters are a different story, the full-fat 4K 120 3D master file takes up a whopping 92TB).

As for 'looking the way it looks', again, when you have nice clean sharp images without a lot of grain/noise then that's much easier for said compression codecs to handle rather than the outrageous randomness of film grain, it's why Bohemian Rhapsody and The Relevant can get away with an average bitrate of ~35 Mb/s on UHD and look stellar while giving film-based content the same makes them fall apart e.g. Apollo 13, ID4.

[dcx4610]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Interframe compression codecs are built around temporal redundancy, i.e. there's no need to encode this entire frame when you can just encode the difference data between that and the reference frame. So, ironically enough, the more frames you have that are similar to each other the easier it will be for the codec to generate the difference data. Not saying that it takes up less space than 24fps, no no no, but it doesn't result in as big of a jump in bitrate/bandwidth as you might think (though uncompressed professional masters are a different story, the full-fat 4K 120 3D master file takes up a whopping 92TB).

As for 'looking the way it looks', again, when you have nice clean sharp images without a lot of grain/noise then that's much easier for said compression codecs to handle rather than the outrageous randomness of film grain, it's why Bohemian Rhapsody and The Relevant can get away with an average bitrate of ~35 Mb/s on UHD and look stellar while giving film-based content the same makes them fall apart e.g. Apollo 13, ID4.

Interesting. Compression being affected by film grain makes a lot of sense.

[ryebren]

Finally jumped on the bandwagon! Looks amazing realistic. My only caveat is my set up it outputting 1080p60 DV instead of 4K. I have a Panny U820 and Sony X90CH. My cable is a HDMI 2.0, so it should pass it, I think. Any ideas how to force it, if possible?

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by ryebren

Finally jumped on the bandwagon! Looks amazing realistic. My only caveat is my set up it outputting 1080p60 DV instead of 4K. I have a Panny U820 and Sony X90CH. My cable is a HDMI 2.0, so it should pass it, I think. Any ideas how to force it, if possible?

Try setting the UB820 to YCbCr 4:2:2 (as opposed to 4:4:4) if you haven't yet. Many TVs with HDMI 2.0 ports do not accept 4:4:4 at 60 Hz.

[Leonidas King]

Yes to more films in 60fps. This looked amazing, and the panning shots were smooth af. This didn’t feel too weird for me as I come from playing a lot games in 60fps.

Perfection of a disc presentation.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ryebren

Finally jumped on the bandwagon! Looks amazing realistic. My only caveat is my set up it outputting 1080p60 DV instead of 4K. I have a Panny U820 and Sony X90CH. My cable is a HDMI 2.0, so it should pass it, I think. Any ideas how to force it, if possible?

Originally Posted by Fiffy

Try setting the UB820 to YCbCr 4:2:2 (as opposed to 4:4:4) if you haven't yet. Many TVs with HDMI 2.0 ports do not accept 4:4:4 at 60 Hz.

I'm not sure the players actually output 4K60 @ 12-bit 4:4:4 to begin with, they weren't designed around spec that was greater than HDMI 2.0. So the EDID should still recognise that 4K60 maxes out at 12-bit 4:2:2 regardless of how the colour space/subsampling is set, if the OP has it on YCbCr (Automatic) then it'll know anyway.

Some TVs will only accept a 60p DV signal at 1080p because they don't have the processing power to decode 4K60 DV, like the 2016 LG OLEDs, but it'd be weird if a much later set like this Sony couldn't do it.

@ ryebren

Do you have anything else between the player and TV? AVR, soundbar, something like that? If not, check the specific 4K60 setting in the player, make sure it's on 4:4:4.

[ROSS.T.G.]

I wasn’t expecting to like this as much as I did. I also dug the picture.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm not sure the players actually output 4K60 @ 12-bit 4:4:4 to begin with, they weren't designed around spec that was greater than HDMI 2.0. So the EDID should still recognise that 4K60 maxes out at 12-bit 4:2:2 regardless of how the colour space/subsampling is set, if the OP has it on YCbCr (Automatic) then it'll know anyway.

Yep, but I've seen weird things with HDMI. For some reason my UB820 defaulted to 4:4:4 when I first got it, and my Yamaha AVR forced it to 8-bit output even with 24p until I explicitly switched to 4:2:2 (although 4:4:4/12-bit/24p should in theory be fine with HDMI 2.0). Anyway, there's really no reason to have a disc player configured with 4:4:4 output.

[Geoff D]

Maybe your Yammy doesn't pass thru full-fat 18Gb/s HDMI 2.0? I aks because 4K24 @ 8-bit 4:4:4 and 12-bit 4:2:2 are both capable of being passed by 10Gb/s chips (hell, 4K24 12-bit 4:2:2 is even supported by HDMI 1.4) but 4:4:4 in 10-bit or 12-bit is a no-no.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ryebren

Finally jumped on the bandwagon! Looks amazing realistic. My only caveat is my set up it outputting 1080p60 DV instead of 4K. I have a Panny U820 and Sony X90CH. My cable is a HDMI 2.0, so it should pass it, I think. Any ideas how to force it, if possible?

Also: have you made sure that the TV's HDMI sockets are set to Enhanced? (Should be under Settings->External Inputs->HDMI Signal Format.) With them set to Standard then 4K24 HDR and DV will work just fine so you won't know to set it to Enhanced, but 4K60 12-bit DV will exceed the bandwidth so the player will bust it down to 1080p60 DV, e.g.



If you turn off DV then the player will output the bestest signal that it thinks the TV's bandwidth can receive, in this case being 4K60 but in converted SDR 709 @ 8-bit 4:2:0, e.g.



(Whereas the OPPO can still output 4K60 HDR 2020 @ 8-bit 4:2:0, e.g.

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