Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Ok correction: my 2016 LG oled tv is limited to 30HZ dolby vision. So what happens in that case?

Originally Posted by Geoff D

We were speculating on that earlier in the thread. Short answer: we don't know.

I have a 2016 B6.

For a series on Netflix, which I unfortunately can't remember the name of (it was in black and white if that helps) it was 4K-mastered, with 60FPS and DV, but my panel defaults it to HDR10 to get the 60fps.

On Apple TV, for something like 'Billy Lynn's Boring and Unnecessarily Long Halftime Walk', it played the DV version at 30hz/24fps--but if you force the device to 60hz/HDR10, it'll play it in 60fps/HDR10.

I'm going to assume that if you have your HDR setting set to auto, it's going to play 'Gemini Man' in Dolby Vision @ 30hz/24fps.

You will likely have to 'force' the HDR mode to get 60fps.

Luckily for me, since on 2016 models DV is still broke through HDMI, I always have my Oppo set to 'forced'.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I have a 2016 B6.

For a series on Netflix, which I unfortunately can't remember the name of (it was in black and white if that helps) it was 4K-mastered, with 60FPS and DV, but my panel defaults it to HDR10 to get the 60fps.

On Apple TV, for something like 'Billy Lynn's Boring and Unnecessarily Long Halftime Walk', it played the DV version at 30hz/24fps--but if you force the device to 60hz/HDR10, it'll play it in 60fps/HDR10.

I'm going to assume that if you have your HDR setting set to auto, it's going to play 'Gemini Man' in Dolby Vision @ 30hz/24fps.

You will likely have to 'force' the HDR mode to get 60fps.

Luckily for me, since on 2016 models DV is still broke through HDMI, I always have my Oppo set to 'forced'.

Good thing I kept one of my two LG uhd players in HDR10!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I have a 2016 B6.

For a series on Netflix, which I unfortunately can't remember the name of (it was in black and white if that helps) it was 4K-mastered, with 60FPS and DV, but my panel defaults it to HDR10 to get the 60fps.

On Apple TV, for something like 'Billy Lynn's Boring and Unnecessarily Long Halftime Walk', it played the DV version at 30hz/24fps--but if you force the device to 60hz/HDR10, it'll play it in 60fps/HDR10.

I'm going to assume that if you have your HDR setting set to auto, it's going to play 'Gemini Man' in Dolby Vision @ 30hz/24fps.

You will likely have to 'force' the HDR mode to get 60fps.

Luckily for me, since on 2016 models DV is still broke through HDMI, I always have my Oppo set to 'forced'.

What does 30hz/24fps mean?

If the ATV could do it on Billy Lynn's it probably had a proper 24p DV stream to revert to but with disc there's no such conversion you can do 'live' inside the player or TV without completely destroying the frame rate, i.e. if it played an actual 60p source in 24p it'd look jerky as balls. If the player can't detect a 60p DV compatibility then by rights it should drop to HDR10 and leave the frame rate as it is.

[Colson]

Originally Posted by Harry Lloyd

Just watched the 60 FPS version and it looks awful. Some scenes are a complete joke,

[Show spoiler]like the catacombs fight, the bike stunts or that "soldier" running near the end

. They look like they are played at twice the normal speed.

Very nice 4K and HDR, though. If they ever want to release something at 60 FPS, I hope they provide a 24 FPS version on another disc.

Did it look different from the theatrical 60fps presentation? I thought the 120fps presentation looked fantastic.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Colson

Did it look different from the theatrical 60fps presentation? I thought the 120fps presentation looked fantastic.

I'm not sure that dear Harry is critiquing the HFR so much as hating the actual concept to begin with

[kyloren]

In for review.

[Staying Salty]

GEMINI MAN - First Fight Junior Scene (2019) - YouTube

^ How about breaking down the receiver stamping for me.

I will give “kudos” for the design of the safety. Easy on and off and easy to see it's on, even with night vision I suspect.

[Geoff D]

Just found a couple of 60p Dolby Vision demo clips aaaaaaaand they work fine on the ZD9 being fed by the OPPO 203. Admittedly these are only single layer clips (base layer + metadata) but I reckon the dual layer disc will be fine. Regardez:

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by Zimmy

Well, since this isn't some TV setting but a directorial choice, I thought it was at least interesting.
It looked like that in theater so that is what I would want at home.
When watching, I felt like I was at one of those Disney Hollywood stunt attractions.

The movie has its issues (including wasting the beauty of MEW) but it deserves a watch on the technical level.

the soap opera effect even if it's through director's intent still takes me out of the experience of watching the movie...it's very, very distracting...I hated Hobbit at 48fps and now Gemini Man at 60fps...or maybe it's meant only for 3D and doesn't translate well outside of it...is 120fps HFR in the theater much different to the eye then the 60fps HFR we're getting on the 4K disc?

hopefully the Avatar sequels won't be using HFR

[Rusty100]

I checked this out and here's what I think: it's awesome when movies get higher in detail. The more fidelity the better. But what they have traditionally always had, is something that separates them from reality. You can increase the resolution, increasing the detail, and even though the detail gives the impression of real life, it never feels like actual real life. The slower framerate is still hiding some of that realism. It is separating it from our actual reality.

With HFR, it's almost too real. That layer of fantasy is nearly gone and a veil has been lifted. I feel like a director looking through his viewport at the scenes being filmed. It suddenly feels like a stage. The closer the movement comes to reality, the more we are reminded that it isn't reality. Call it the uncanny valley of movement I guess.

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by Colson

Did it look different from the theatrical 60fps presentation? I thought the 120fps presentation looked fantastic.

you're one of a few persons that i heard liked the 120FPS theatrical, i didn't catch this in theater but only heard bad things (lol) not only how bad the movie was but also how weird of this HFR looked in the theater (one of my friends couldn't finish the film) for me i think it's appropriate for some specific contents (TV shows, sports, news) but if it's a movie i think it's, what should i say... too much in your face? too sharp? too stiff?... while i was watching Billy Lynn i think of it really similar to demo discs that best buy would put on their TVs to show customers of how pristine PQ could be (which is great) but for me it doesn't represent the cinematic experience... (borrowed from Scorsese )

well, maybe i'm not just getting use to it...

[Colson]

Originally Posted by birdztudio

you're one of a few persons that i heard liked the 120FPS theatrical, i didn't catch this in theater but only heard bad things (lol) not only how bad the movie was but also how weird of this HFR looked in the theater (one of my friends couldn't finish the film) for me i think it's appropriate for some specific contents (TV shows, sports, news) but if it's a movie i think it's, what should i say... too much in your face? too sharp? too stiff?... while i was watching Billy Lynn i think of it really similar to demo discs that best buy would put on their TVs to show customers of how pristine PQ could be (which is great) but for me it doesn't represent the cinematic experience... (borrowed from Scorsese )

well, maybe i'm not just getting use to it...

I went in ready to hate the HFR, but I came out wishing all action movies were in 120fps, because it made the fast-moving stuff SO much clearer.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by birdztudio

you're one of a few persons that i heard liked the 120FPS theatrical, i didn't catch this in theater but only heard bad things (lol) not only how bad the movie was but also how weird of this HFR looked in the theater (one of my friends couldn't finish the film) for me i think it's appropriate for some specific contents (TV shows, sports, news) but if it's a movie i think it's, what should i say... too much in your face? too sharp? too stiff?... while i was watching Billy Lynn i think of it really similar to demo discs that best buy would put on their TVs to show customers of how pristine PQ could be (which is great) but for me it doesn't represent the cinematic experience... (borrowed from Scorsese )

well, maybe i'm not just getting use to it...

It's so bad you came all the way here to tell us about it. We are truely blessed to have you here! My prayers have been answered.

[jrcorwin3]

It truly does look beautiful and astounding...until actors begin speaking to each other or moving. The level of detail is incredible, but it feels as if you are watching rehearsals in person instead of a finished product on film. You become far more aware that these are actors on set, rather than getting lost in characters telling a story. I enjoyed the very scene simply because of the level of detail. It immediately began to fall apart after that however.

[eddievanhalen]

I watched this today and it looks absolutely amazing, better than Billy Lynn's. Motion was smoother,the detail level is insane, with HFR/60 fps and its almost lack of judder you can really see the detail on those 4K frames regardless if it's a static scenes or an action one, the clarity and resolution are there to be enjoyed. It just feels so realistic, I love how Gemini Man looks.

[BrownianMotion]

Just finished watching the disc. I'm a fan of HFR, and I thought this looked great, but Joker is still the superior UHD presentation.

[Juan127]

im pretty pumped up watch this after hearing all these reviews

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

GEMINI MAN - First Fight Junior Scene (2019) - YouTube

^ How about breaking down the receiver stamping for me.

I will give “kudos” for the design of the safety. Easy on and off and easy to see it's on, even with night vision I suspect.

If you're referring to the shot in the thumbnail, quickly browsing through, just standard 7.62mm rounds with the manufacturer's information(looks like a Galil ACE carbine). Interesting ammunition choice for a pistol carbine. Hollywood has a hard time opting for practicality, but one would think a character of his stature and resources would opt for 5.56 or 300-blackout--although I don't think the latter has been used in a film yet, as most special forces just recently started running more 300blkout over 5.56.

But, yeah, looks pretty cool for gun stuff. Really interested in seeing how all this stuff looks in HFR, but I do like the perspective in a lot of these shots.

[Mikeatron85]

Gave this a quick demo at home last night and both my partner and I agreed that it looked better than the 60fps theatrical release that we saw previously. The colour is absolutely wonderful and I'm all for 60fps in film. It does make it look a bit odd at times, but I found a lot of that was to do with the cinematography itself, in conjunction with the aspect ratio. It really is demo material in my mind.

[Harry Lloyd]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

I checked this out and here's what I think: it's awesome when movies get higher in detail. The more fidelity the better. But what they have traditionally always had, is something that separates them from reality. You can increase the resolution, increasing the detail, and even though the detail gives the impression of real life, it never feels like actual real life. The slower framerate is still hiding some of that realism. It is separating it from our actual reality.

With HFR, it's almost too real. That layer of fantasy is nearly gone and a veil has been lifted. I feel like a director looking through his viewport at the scenes being filmed. It suddenly feels like a stage. The closer the movement comes to reality, the more we are reminded that it isn't reality. Call it the uncanny valley of movement I guess.

Fully agree. I felt like I was watching a making of or a documentary. They even used realistic, natural colors throughout the movie, which completely ruins the illusion.

I am fine with HFR existing, but I am not fine with it being the only option (1080p disc does not count, as it is not HDR).