Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[levcore]

I really loved that youtube clip, i think this looks awesome in 60fps. Such a fun, novel way of experiencing a movie.

[RockyIII]

What if all movies, from the very beginning of film-making, were all produced in 60fps and today a director made one in 24fps? Whst would the reaction be? Things that make you go hmmmmm

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What if all movies, from the very beginning of film-making, were all produced in 60fps and today a director made one in 24fps? Whst would the reaction be? Things that make you go hmmmmm

*shrug* movies are 24fps. thats what makes them movies. HFR takes away the film like quality of that and it may look 'cleaner' or 'smoother'. but it sure don't look like a film, and thats what I enjoy to watch, films. HFR has its place in live action sports or nature documentaries and gaming, just has no place being in cinema.

[xfileed916]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

*shrug* movies are 24fps. thats what makes them movies. HFR takes away the film like quality of that and it may look 'cleaner' or 'smoother'. but it sure don't look like a film, and thats what I enjoy to watch, films. HFR has its place in live action sports or nature documentaries and gaming, just has no place being in cinema.

Bingo!!

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

*shrug* movies are 24fps. thats what makes them movies. HFR takes away the film like quality of that and it may look 'cleaner' or 'smoother'. but it sure don't look like a film, and thats what I enjoy to watch, films. HFR has its place in live action sports or nature documentaries and gaming, just has no place being in cinema.

Eh. Look, I hate HFR - I think it looks like garbage. But cinema is an art form. Who is anybody to say what tools a filmmaker should or shouldn't use? If Ang Lee wants to experiment with HFR, or Steven Soderbergh wants to film things on his iPhone then more power to them. These are creative guys trying something different. It's not always going to work out, but I like the fact they're trying.

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by Fat Phil

Eh. Look, I hate HFR - I think it looks like garbage. But cinema is an art form. Who is anybody to say what tools a filmmaker should or shouldn't use? If Ang Lee wants to experiment with HFR, or Steven Soderbergh wants to film things on his iPhone then more power to them. These are creative guys trying something different. It's not always going to work out, but I like the fact they're trying.

they can experiment and do whatever they like, but everyone who enjoys movies , has enjoyed them at 24fps, for their entire lives. anything else looks weird and our eyes pick it up without fail. Nothing wrong with innovation or trying new things, but HFR is definitely not going to become any sort of norm in cinema.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

*shrug* movies are 60fps. thats what makes them movies. 24fps takes away the film like quality of that and it may look 'blurrier or 'less smooth'. but it sure don't look like a film, and thats what I enjoy to watch, films. 24fps has its place , just has no place being in cinema.

If movies were always made in 60fps*

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

If movies were always made in 60fps*

They are 24fps. Sans a few random ones everything released the last half century is 24fps.

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

*shrug* movies are 24fps. thats what makes them movies. HFR takes away the film like quality of that and it may look 'cleaner' or 'smoother'. but it sure don't look like a film, and thats what I enjoy to watch, films. HFR has its place in live action sports or nature documentaries and gaming, just has no place being in cinema.

Uh, the framerate is definitely not “what makes them movies.” The only reason people are so opposed to this is because they’re used to 24fps. That’s it.

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Uh, the framerate is definitely not “what makes them movies.” The only reason people are so opposed to this is because they’re used to 24fps. That’s it.

Sigh. Sure. Enjoy those soap operas.

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

Sigh. Sure. Enjoy those soap operas.

I know change can be scary. I promise everything will be okay.

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I know change can be scary. I promise everything will be okay.

Lol there is nothing to change. Youre more than welcome to enjoy the few HFR films being made, the rest can look proper at 24fps.

[levcore]

That's nice of him to give you permission to enjoy something

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by levcore

that's nice of him to give you permission to enjoy something

🙄

[Archivy]

Early on, there were films shot at lower frame rates before they settled on 24fps as being most pleasing to audiences. You can go back and look at films shot on 16fps and it looks jerky. In fact, the earliest films have variable frame rates because the cameras were hand cranked, and it was difficult for camera operators to crank the camera (i.e. move the film through the gate) at consistent speeds. That's why some silent film shorts look herky-jerky.

I do agree that the reason people don't like 60fps is because they aren't used to it. But it's also the case that the reason 24fps became the accepted standard is because that's what was found to be most pleasurable.

Watching these high-frame rate films compared to regular 24fps cinema is like comparing the Twilight Zone episodes shot on film to those that were shot on videotape during the series's second season. They achieve different effects. IMO, 24fps is more like cinema, whereas as 60fps is more like a theatrical stage play. I like both and can accept both and think both can coexist, because they each create different experiences. As always, it's up to the filmmakers to choose the form that best expresses the content of the story they're telling. Whether GEMINI MAN or those videotaped Twilight Zone episodes do that, well, that's up to you to determine.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

If anyone wants a history of why we shoot 24fps.

https://www.filmindependent.org/blog...es-per-second/

Quoting myself. A run down of how we came to 24fps. Money played a part in it.

[Colson]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Funny thing is if you're a gamer and used to 30fps console games, I'd assume switching to 120fps on PC would still be seen as an improvement. There is something about movies that makes it not the same, whatever it is.

Higher framerates in games are better for a few reasons, but the big one is that lower framerates mean more input lag. In addition, an inconsistent or low framerate just feels terrible while gaming, in a way that a passive medium like movies cannot feel bad or good.

That said, I love the HFR in Gemini Man. It took me a solid 30 minutes to get used to in thetheater, but now I wish all big action movies were done in 120fps - it looks great and is just so damn clear.

And this is coming from a film purist - I love grain, I love great transfers of old movies, I would never want to see an old movie interpolated to a higher framerate; I just love the idea of new movies using the tech.

24fps was chosen because film is expensive, and 24fps was the lowest framerate that was comfortable to watch.

[RockyIII]

In my opinion HFR can only raise the standards of quality of production and actors performances

[birdztudio]

One thing that I noticed and think it’s their intention and made me uncomfortable was whenever there’re 2 characters talked to each other, both of characters many times would look straight to the camera, liked they’re taking to us, it was just really weird...

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

*shrug* movies are 24fps. thats what makes them movies. HFR takes away the film like quality of that and it may look 'cleaner' or 'smoother'. but it sure don't look like a film, and thats what I enjoy to watch, films. HFR has its place in live action sports or nature documentaries and gaming, just has no place being in cinema.

I find that the sweet spot is actually 18fps. Filmmakers have been doing it wrong for decades. 18p is what looks best and what truly makes them movies.

Prove me wrong.