Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

No issues for me in that scene. Looks smooth and natural.

Same.

No issue at all with that scene. No idea where any pixelation is happening.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TXMoviebuff77

Ok so how does this really look in 4K & not by the so called “experts”

Don't worry, I won't be getting this for a while yet

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why call it a 4K HDR projector then when it clearly is not?

Eh, HDR 2020 still works over 4K60 8-bit 4:2:0

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Same.

No issue at all with that scene. No idea where any pixelation is happening.

I'm usually very sensitive to it but here I couldn't notice at all

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Don't worry, I won't be getting this for a while yet



Eh, HDR 2020 still works over 4K60 8-bit 4:2:0

So what's the point of HDR2020 10 bit when you can have the same HDR10 at 8 bit??

[Geoff D]

I didn't say it was the same, as you get better gradations i.e. less banding at 10-bit but it still works with 4K HDR at 8-bit. Hence it being called a 4K HDR projektor.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Okay, okay, I'll bite.

Are you trying to be funny here, or is this some sort of way of trying to get back at me because I have such a strong disgust for your precious HFR?

Anyway, I'm sure you know that none of the consumer 4K projectors out there are actually HDR capable in the same way midrang to high end 4K TVs are. The particular issue I was referring to has nothing to do with that though, and doesn't make my PJ less of a 4K/HDR projector as it is being advertised. Luckily for me, I have zero need of feeding it a 4K/HDR signal @ 60 fps anyway, so in the end, it's a non-issue for me personally either way.

Btw, how's your projector doing? The Sony 385ES says hi.

My UST laser projector is doing wonderful and I'm still awed by its pq as I was when I first got it...But at least I'm honest with myself and know that even if it can play 4K HDR at both 24Hz and 60Hz it is not a 4K HDR projector

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I didn't say it was the same, as you get better gradations i.e. less banding at 10-bit but it still works with 4K HDR at 8-bit. Hence it being called a 4K HDR projektor.

Yes I got one of those too, I like the picture it projects when playing 4k hdr, but I still wouldn't call it a 4K HDR projector. If I really want to demo a 4K HDR movie I'll always use my 4K 4K OLED TV

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

My UST laser projector is doing wonderful and I'm still awed by its pq as I was when I first got it...But at least I'm honest with myself and know that even if it can play 4K HDR at both 24Hz and 60Hz it is not a 4K HDR projector

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Yes I got one of those too, I like the picture it projects when playing 4k hdr, but I still wouldn't call it a 4K HDR projector. If I really want to demo a 4K HDR movie I'll always use my 4K 4K OLED TV

It's good to have you back, Rocky, it really is.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Yes I got one of those too, I like the picture it projects when playing 4k hdr, but I still wouldn't call it a 4K HDR projector. If I really want to demo a 4K HDR movie I'll always use my 4K 4K OLED TV

You implied that it wasn't 4K HDR if it can't do 4K60 at more than 8-bit 4:2:0, and I've disproved that. Now you're shifting the goalposts to "4K HDR projection isn't really 4K HDR". Broadly speaking I wouldn't disagree, but for me the issue has never been that projektors can't do a gorgeous image, it's that the vagaries of HDR mapping have been their Achilles heel, more so than other display types owing to their more limited light output releative to what the content has been mastered to.

So if someone was just using a PJ to assess HDR then I'd still be wary, but with advances like the HDR Optimiser on Panasonic players, JVC's special sauce DTM and even those clever people who force Dolby Vision low latency into their PJs - where the player does all the dynamic tone mapping upstream - then HDR projektion is coming of age at last. If you feel that your PJ doesn't measure up then, well, I can't do anything about that.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You implied that it wasn't 4K HDR if it can't do 4K60 at more than 8-bit 4:2:0, and I've disproved that. Now you're shifting the goalposts to "4K HDR projection isn't really 4K HDR". Broadly speaking I wouldn't disagree, but for me the issue has never been that projektors can't do a gorgeous image, it's that the vagaries of HDR mapping have been their Achilles heel, more so than other display types owing to their more limited light output releative to what the content has been mastered to.

So if someone was just using a PJ to assess HDR then I'd still be wary, but with advances like the HDR Optimiser on Panasonic players, JVC's special sauce DTM and even those clever people who force Dolby Vision low latency into their PJs - where the player does all the dynamic tone mapping upstream - then HDR projektion is coming of age at last. If you feel that your PJ doesn't measure up then, well, I can't do anything about that.

So you are agreeing with me in a very stylized eloquent way of putting it. Cool!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DJR662

It's good to have you back, Rocky, it really is.

It's good to be back. I missed these friendly exchanges of opinions!

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You implied that it wasn't 4K HDR if it can't do 4K60 at more than 8-bit 4:2:0, and I've disproved that. Now you're shifting the goalposts to "4K HDR projection isn't really 4K HDR". Broadly speaking I wouldn't disagree, but for me the issue has never been that projektors can't do a gorgeous image, it's that the vagaries of HDR mapping have been their Achilles heel, more so than other display types owing to their more limited light output releative to what the content has been mastered to.

So if someone was just using a PJ to assess HDR then I'd still be wary, but with advances like the HDR Optimiser on Panasonic players, JVC's special sauce DTM and even those clever people who force Dolby Vision low latency into their PJs - where the player does all the dynamic tone mapping upstream - then HDR projektion is coming of age at last. If you feel that your PJ doesn't measure up then, well, I can't do anything about that.

I can

[BerryTheMusicMan]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The water in the shot from 08:38 to 08:51 for example. Towards the middle of the screen. Very pixelated.

Plays perfect on mine .

[sonicyogurt]

Originally Posted by bytor

I would bet money most of these issues are because of the HDMI cable. Anything over 6 foot probably needs to be an active cable to get full bandwidth unless you just get lucky with a perfect cable.

Sure enough!

After reading this post of yours, I ordered a new HDMI cable, and it just got here a few minutes ago. With this cable in place, I tried plugging the player directly into the TV and, afterwards, routing it through my AVR as usual. I'm not seeing that sporadic color distortion at all now with Dolby Vision enabled. Admittedly, I haven't rewatched the entire movie or anything , but I didn't have to wait long to see it before.

So, even though I tried two different HDMI cables before, clearly they were both inadequate.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Do you think it would be worth getting the 3D BD in 24fps?

I know almost nothing about 3D, but probably. Like 80% of the movie seems like it was shot for angles, depth and layers in a crazy way. 24p might lose all the extreme clarity but could equalize the "feel" of the movie as it changes from drama to action.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Yes I got one of those too, I like the picture it projects when playing 4k hdr, but I still wouldn't call it a 4K HDR projector. If I really want to demo a 4K HDR movie I'll always use my 4K 4K OLED TV

You say that like OLED's don't have issues of their own. They have plenty.

[Dubstar]

the clarity and sharpness are so tactile at times, the moment when Henry is crouching by the car at the beginning of the action scene in Columbia - the car next to him makes you want into the screen and touch it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I can

With a $6k Lumagen I'm not surprised! I'd expect it to also make me tea & toast for that sort of money.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

With a $6k Lumagen I'm not surprised! I'd expect it to also make me tea & toast for that sort of money.

I don't have a Lumagen and it looks fantastic here.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by gates70

I don't have a Lumagen and it looks fantastic here.

I never said yours didn't, I'm referencing Kris and his magicks that could make even Rocky's crap projektor shine in 4K HDR.