Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

If you can't apply it to all films on the site it's hardly accurate enough then. Basically your analysis of the data consists of "Yeah, that seems right. I hear that mentioned in conversation more than that film..."

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What are you talking about? As Good as It Get is a more popular film, and the total number of votes on IMDb backs that up. But that doesn't mean it's going to be a bigger seller on blu-ray (especially when it gets the kind of release that it got aka a $30 limited edition). You brought up AGAIG in the first place, which had nothing to do with my initial point (which was? Fright Night is more popular than NOTLD '90). I compared two horror films, and you want to compare them to AGAIG, why exactly?

Just saw your edit--TT probably picked Fright Night before NOTLD '90 because they thought it was more popular. If the reverse had happened, then I'm sure NOTLD '90 would've sold out in 5-6 weeks, and Fright Night in less than a week. But that's all hypothetical, anyway. And like I said, it's not the end all and be all, it's just one way to gauge popularity.

[OldPangYau]

Okay, seriously, even though I already ordered... how are people finding the number of remaining discs left?

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

The $35 price is the main issue. People like to pretend it's because of no extras and a limited edition, but if this had some extras and was unlimited but still $35, the complaining would be about the same.

i'm only a bit upset because of paying the high price & having to keep my DVD copy... upgrading "Fright Night" was no problem because the DVD didn't have any features, either. if i could pay this price & trade in the DVD copy at Best Buy's next U&S promo, i'd be fine w/ that...

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

Bye Bye Birdie is under 1000 units remaining. It was released just a few months ago. I can see that one selling out within the 3 year window.

And how would you know that ? The cart game will be reliable on pre-orders but not on already released titles. TT might have seen a low amount of pre-orders and ordered much less that the max of 3,000 to be pressed. Thus, the number you might see on the cart would not reflected how many copies of Bye Bye Birdie have been sold. I seriosuly doubt that it has sold 2,000 units.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

And how would you know that ? The cart game will be reliable on pre-orders but not on already released titles. TT might have seen a low amount of pre-orders and ordered much less that the max of 3,000 to be pressed. Thus, the number you might see on the cart would not reflected how many copies of Bye Bye Birdie have been sold. I seriosuly doubt that it has sold 2,000 units.

which is sooooooooooo disappointing considering how good a movie it is

[thephantomcat]

Thought this might be noteworthy, but Christine fans have apparently gotten word that Twilight Time will likely be releasing Christine on Blu-ray in March and they're already whining on TT's Facebook page about special features, price, shipping, payment methods, scalpers, and limited copies. I think it's very likely that movie will sell out in 24-48 hours and will be super annoying.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by Seymour

What are you talking about? As Good as It Get is a more popular film, and the total number of votes on IMDb backs that up. But that doesn't mean it's going to be a bigger seller on blu-ray (especially when it gets the kind of release that it got aka a $30 limited edition). You brought up AGAIG in the first place, which had nothing to do with my initial point (which was? Fright Night is more popular than NOTLD '90). I compared two horror films, and you want to compare them to AGAIG, why exactly?

Just saw your edit--TT probably picked Fright Night before NOTLD '90 because they thought it was more popular. If the reverse had happened, then I'm sure NOTLD '90 would've sold out in 5-6 weeks, and Fright Night in less than a week. But that's all hypothetical, anyway. And like I said, it's not the end all and be all, it's just one way to gauge popularity.

I'm pretty sure they picked Fright Night first because it had a big-screen remake due in theaters in August. Of course the deal was in place prior to the release and the poor box office gross of the remake.

As for comparing to AGAIG -- if you're making a legitimate claim that user rating # = popularity -- it should span across ALL films. What's the demographic for users who sit on IMDB rating all of the films they've seen? I'm sure viewers of horror films or cult classics will be higher than most others -- even if many have seen said film. AGAIG has oscar wins, it's more recent, it has bigger stars... all more reasons for more people to click on that particular film's page and think "Hm, I'll rate that."

It doesn't mean it's necessarily a more popular film... just as many people may have seen it than have seen Fright Night or Night of the Living Dead at this point in 2012. We can't be sure and there's not much you can do to find out. Sure X # bought tickets in 1985 for Fright Night. How many bought it on video? Rented it? Saw it on cable? Downloaded a copy when the remake hit on amazon prime?

The same applies to NOTLD'90. X # bought tickets in 1990. Now how many have bought it on VHS/DVD? Rented it. How many have seen it because it's the remake of THE original zombie film and shares the name. Zombie films have been extremely popular in the last 5 years.

In other words, many people may know NOTLD exists and have seen it -- but the fans of FRIGHT NIGHT may be more passionate about said film and are willing to vote online for it.

Why do you think every single year TV series that very few people watch win "Save our show!" polls? There are 'fans' and 'casual fans.' I'd argue that Fright Night has a smaller audience than Night of the Living Dead -- but that audience loves the film very much. The audience of NOTLD is probably more casual. They "like" it well enough but few would consider it better than the original or much in the way of a true classic.

It'd still argue more people have seen it than Fright Night at this point.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

And how would you know that ? The cart game will be reliable on pre-orders but not on already released titles. TT might have seen a low amount of pre-orders and ordered much less that the max of 3,000 to be pressed. Thus, the number you might see on the cart would not reflected how many copies of Bye Bye Birdie have been sold. I seriosuly doubt that it has sold 2,000 units.

In addition to the cart, which as you say might be unreliable for *some* older TT releases Blu Titan, there is also SAE's weekly Top 10 chart (which includes CD soundtracks), and via that reporting source, TT's Bye-Bye Birdie Blu was solidly #1 for its first month and most of its second...week...after week...after week.

So I have no problem accepting that under 1000 cart total for Bye-Bye Birdie, or the under 700 cart total for Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines either. Both those titles were solid performers out of the gate, and have held*, in part thanks to rave reviews and strong word-of-mouth.

* In fact, both BBB and TMMITFM are currently back in SAE's weekly Top 10, in 6th and 9th spots respectively.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

And how would you know that ? The cart game will be reliable on pre-orders but not on already released titles. TT might have seen a low amount of pre-orders and ordered much less that the max of 3,000 to be pressed. Thus, the number you might see on the cart would not reflected how many copies of Bye Bye Birdie have been sold. I seriosuly doubt that it has sold 2,000 units.

Why? You don't think there are 2,000 people who'd buy Bye Bye Birdie? The cart game has worked. I've been watching it for a few months. It's gone down from the low 2000 range steadily. It's been hovering at the high 900 range for a few days but still sells a few a day or so. I have a feeling it will sell out within 8-12 months easy.

331 It's going really fast now...

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

Why? You don't think there are 2,000 people who'd buy Bye Bye Birdie? The cart game has worked. I've been watching it for a few months. It's gone down from the low 2000 range steadily. It's been hovering at the high 900 range for a few days but still sells a few a day or so. I have a feeling it will sell out within 8-12 months easy.

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You and Rock could be right ...just nothing tangible to make the extrapolation of the sales numbers for Bye Bye Bridie or any of the already released titles. Anyways only TT and SAE should really care about this . We all have a bit of to keep posting about it.

[Seymour]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

I'm pretty sure they picked Fright Night first because it had a big-screen remake due in theaters in August. Of course the deal was in place prior to the release and the poor box office gross of the remake.

As for comparing to AGAIG -- if you're making a legitimate claim that user rating # = popularity -- it should span across ALL films. What's the demographic for users who sit on IMDB rating all of the films they've seen? I'm sure viewers of horror films or cult classics will be higher than most others -- even if many have seen said film. AGAIG has oscar wins, it's more recent, it has bigger stars... all more reasons for more people to click on that particular film's page and think "Hm, I'll rate that."

It doesn't mean it's necessarily a more popular film... just as many people may have seen it than have seen Fright Night or Night of the Living Dead at this point in 2012. We can't be sure and there's not much you can do to find out. Sure X # bought tickets in 1985 for Fright Night. How many bought it on video? Rented it? Saw it on cable? Downloaded a copy when the remake hit on amazon prime?

The same applies to NOTLD'90. X # bought tickets in 1990. Now how many have bought it on VHS/DVD? Rented it. How many have seen it because it's the remake of THE original zombie film and shares the name. Zombie films have been extremely popular in the last 5 years.

In other words, many people may know NOTLD exists and have seen it -- but the fans of FRIGHT NIGHT may be more passionate about said film and are willing to vote online for it.

Why do you think every single year TV series that very few people watch win "Save our show!" polls? There are 'fans' and 'casual fans.' I'd argue that Fright Night has a smaller audience than Night of the Living Dead -- but that audience loves the film very much. The audience of NOTLD is probably more casual. They "like" it well enough but few would consider it better than the original or much in the way of a true classic.

It'd still argue more people have seen it than Fright Night at this point.

Yeah, I didn't say it was an exact science. It's a neat way to try and gauge the popularity of two older films. Maybe I shouldn't have said AGAIG is a more popular film, but it's certainly more well known.

For older films like FN and NOTLD '90, fans actually had to seek them out and rate them, because they came out before IMDb (or the internet as we know it) existed. Sure, the Fright Night remake shed some light on the original and brought it some renewed interest. But NOTLD '90 is a remake itself, of one of the most iconic horror films of all time. Since it is a remake, and we're comparing it to an original film (NOTLD '90 vs FN)--I think FN will continue to be the more popular and beloved film, as it always has. You're free to disagree, of course.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by Seymour

For older films like FN and NOTLD '90, fans actually had to seek them out and rate them, because they came out before IMDb (or the internet as we know it) existed. Sure, the Fright Night remake shed some light on the original and brought it some renewed interest. But NOTLD '90 is a remake itself, of one of the most iconic horror films of all time. Since it is a remake, and we're comparing it to an original film (NOTLD '90 vs FN)--I think FN will continue to be the more popular and beloved film, as it always has. You're free to disagree, of course.

That's all I mean. AGAIG is definitely more well known... and as we all have seen -- doesn't translate to more sales. More people know OF the film -- but are more willing to BUY it? Horror fans tend to be far more passionate. Science Fiction fans too.

I actually do agree with you that FN is technically more popular/beloved. It's a better film than NOTLD'90. It's certainly more loved by me (I have a VHS rental release poster in a frame on my wall... ) but in terms of public awareness among the types that buy these types of films and who buy BDs I think NOTLD will sell stronger PURELY on the title and awareness of zombies being as high as it is. I also think that's why more individuals have likely seen it in 2012 than have seen the original FN at this point in time... it has been seen by many -- but that doesn't mean it's been LOVED by many. It received mostly mixed to negative reviews upon release. FN was well acclaimed and DID have more initial interest (according to box office numbers) and over time has developed a very strong group of fans that probably love it FAR more than the NOTLD remake can ever claim.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

You and Rock could be right ...just nothing tangible to make the extrapolation of the sales numbers for Bye Bye Bridie or any of the already released titles. Anyways only TT and SAE should really care about this . We all have a bit of to keep posting about it.

Fairly tangible. I couldn't see the numbers until after pre-orders were shipped and it was at somewhere in the 1400-1800 range when I started observing. I'm guessing 1200 or so were sold via pre-order and the remainder are sitting around selling. In the last couple of months it's gone down bit by bit -- a hundred or so a week -- and now it's around 917 or so. A very realistic number for a film of this nature IMHO with a limited release. I'm guessing another 2-3 months before it sells out.

It's not really worth discussing I suppose but I am endlessly fascinated by which of these titles sell out, and the numbers. I'm a dork that way.

As for posting the remaining copies of NOTLD'90 -- I'm just giving people a head's up as to what the stock is looking like at this point. With just over 300 to go -- and the numbers dropping at about 10-20 per hour it's maybe a day or so before it's done and gone.

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[shadow panther]

i preordered mine this afternoon!!!!

[RINGMAV]

Originally Posted by OldPangYau

Okay, seriously, even though I already ordered... how are people finding the number of remaining discs left?

Add the movies to your cart (lets say, 1000) and then go through the checkout process until you get to the payment screen WITHOUT (obviously) submitting your credit card info.Look to your top right and it should give you the number available.

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

It'd still argue more people have seen it [NotLD90] than Fright Night at this point.

if there were any way to actually take you up on this bet, i definitely would...

nevermind all the people that only saw the original "Fright Night" after they found out about the new one, or even the people that saw the new "Night of the Living Dead" after they saw the old one... i still think i'd have ya beat!

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

if there were any way to actually take you up on this bet, i definitely would...

nevermind all the people that only saw the original "Fright Night" after they found out about the new one, or even the people that saw the new "Night of the Living Dead" after they saw the old one... i still think i'd have ya beat!

It's maddening we can't know though, right!?

It's like with TV shows on cable... Weeds (1 million?), Breaking Bad (3 million?), etc... sure we know they don't bringing huge numbers of total viewers (as say the shows on broadcast pulling in 10-15 million for an episode) but how many have bought the DVDs/BDs, seen it on netflix... etc... by the 5 year point they could have matched the raw audience of much higher rated shows on broadcast -- but there's not really any way to be sure. I can't back up my claims. FN pummeled NOTLD in theaters... but one can't discount the number who have seen it on cable or rented it over the years. You can't really ever be sure... and any kind of way of tracking it is going to be skewed because a group of horror fans isn't necessarily a controlled focus group.

I think NOTLD is just a more mainstream title in a more mainstream series. Non horror fans can even admit to having seen at least one of the films of Romero's set, or any number of zombie films -- whereas Fright Night is a single film -- with one sequel and one remake. Both of which performed poorly. In the case of the sequel (just a few years later) VERY poorly. Suggesting that mainstream success of the film hadn't held up high. Pretty sure Fright Night 2 had much of it's success on home video.

Being that under 4 million people saw FN the remake in theaters I'd be surprised if that many even knew of the original or would be willing to seek it out as a result.


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[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

You and Rock could be right ...just nothing tangible to make the extrapolation of the sales numbers for Bye Bye Bridie or any of the already released titles. Anyways only TT and SAE should really care about this . We all have a bit of to keep posting about it.

I've likened it to 'handicapping the ponies'...just for the 'sport' of it.

In general though, you're right Blu Titan; the fastest sellers will tend to be newer genre titles, typically horror, fantasy, or science fiction...with musicals and rom-coms the last to go. But there are certain touchstone movies for every generation, so some of TT's vintage vault offerings will eventually sell out too...only over the course of years or months, instead of weeks or days.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I've likened it to 'handicapping the ponies'...just for the 'sport' of it.

In general though, you're right Blu Titan; the fastest sellers will tend to be newer genre titles, typically horror, fantasy, or science fiction...with musicals and rom-coms the last to go. But there are certain touchstone movies for every generation, so some of TT's vintage vault offerings will eventually sell out too...only over the course of years or months, instead of weeks or days.

I think The Big Heat will be the next to go.

[Mykol Gantt]

Wow, I didn't expect this to move to fast! I was going to hold onto my coins a little longer but I didn't want to miss out. Pre-order is in!