Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

I agree with you 100%. There is allot of deliberate panic being set. People are claiming reviews have been removed from the TT page, but the fact is there have only ever been two reviews posted and I haven't noticed any negative comments removed. If they have been, it's likely been due to foul language or deliberate harassment. They've been jumping on other people's posts and continuously posting negative comments or screencaps, questions about refunds and recalls, requesting official statements from Sony, George Romero, or Tom Savini when Twilight has already acknowledged that there is a difference in color, that it wasn't their doing, that they'll contact Sony on Monday, and that refunds are being issued to people who are too impatient to wait for an official word. Their questions have been answered as best as they can be at this point, but they will not let the matter rest.

Why I have no sympathy for most of these people is many of them are scalpers who purchased 10+ copies and are worried about taking a loss. Another large group are horror trolls who were whining and complaining even before the presale went up about price, special features, limited copies. Oh, they'll never buy another Twilight Time release again. They never bought from them before in the first place! TT kept their doors open without money from horror trolls before, and they'll keep their doors without money from horror trolls after.

I do feel bad for the true customers who've purchased many titles from TT and are upset. I also feel bad for the loyal customers who are getting harrassed by all these cyberstalkers hyjacking their positive posts to spread their anger when TT has already addressed their concerns.

Best post yet.

[dantexaiver]

Any word on What Tom Savini thinks of the transfer for the Blu?

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

How about you getting off your high horse? Did I say it proved anything? We already know you love the transfer. The grayscale image is there for comparison sake which makes it much clearer to see that the first picture is far from gray and appears bluish in color. The first picture is unaltered.

What's the point of comparing one pic to one you manipulated? NOTLD '90 isn't gray scale. It was a color movie. Even though the image on the television in the movie was black and white, it doesn't mean that converting the image to grey scale represents what the image is supposed to look like.

I never said I loved the transfer. When did I say that? Link please.

[AndrewFM]

Originally Posted by wormraper

ok, this is completely calm and an honest question to you. what's the difference between someone who buys one movie from TT and someone who has bought a LOT of movies from them. does only the long time customer deserve to be upset with his purchase???

a customer is a customer if they pay the price no matter if it's one titles, or their entire catalog. this idea of "true" customers is a myth that died along with brand loyalty decades ago.

The difference is that the threat of "IM NEVA BUYING ANOTHER TWILITE TIME BLUE-RAY AGAIN" has no teeth, and even if it did it probably wouldn't make much difference to the company being that it's a cheap threat. Like I said, at this stage they're more likely to cancel their future releases for all the trouble it's caused, which may mean I will not get Christine. All because you're self-righteous and full of a massively inflated sense of entitlement. Yes, you deserve good customer service. No, you can't complain about human error.

[UNCMT9]

This whole thread has become a "if you remotely like it, you're against those that don't." I don't know why people take such offense to someone who has a different taste.

[manta53]

Originally Posted by odriley

I gotta think that those of you who are ok with how it looks, just arent super familiar with the movie. Thats not a dig or anything. If i had only seen the movie once or twice I probably wouldnt have noticed. The fact remains that despite anyones preferences, this isnt how the movie has ever looked. That should be the end of the argument right there.

Anyone have a ps3? Jump onto the VUDU video service, rent their 1080p download of Night of the Living Dead '90 for 3 bucks. You will see an HD version of the movie as it has Always been since its theatrical run. No colors changed. It has only been changed for this bluray release.

I respect when you guys say you prefer how it looks now But you gotta agree that a film should not be altered in the first place. Especially when the film has been out for over 20 years looking a certain way. I get if you arent a super fan of it, it wont matter to you. Ill take the A Time to Kill approach here for you guys. Close your eyes.... now imagine its Your favorite movie thats been altered.

Ok I've seen the movie tons and tons of times, hell just a month I went to Fan Expo in Toronto and had Tony Todd sign my VHS cover, I haven't got the blu ray yet but even the accurate screens look fine to me they've darkened it up to represent the times of day, the movie starts at dawn and by the time Barbara's at the house its dusk and by the time Ben gets there its getting to the end of dusk and it looks like they've represented that. As for the blue again looking at the accurate screens it doesn't look blue it looks darkened.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by AndrewFM

The difference is that the threat of "IM NEVA BUYING ANOTHER TWILITE TIME BLUE-RAY AGAIN" has no teeth, and even if it did it probably wouldn't make much difference to the company being that it's a cheap threat. Like I said, at this stage they're more likely to cancel their future releases for all the trouble it's caused, which may mean I will not get Christine. All because you're self-righteous and full of a massively inflated sense of entitlement. Yes, you deserve good customer service. No, you can't complain about human error.

no, I agree with you, most of the "I'll never buy again from them" won't make much difference to the company. but I do know that many people do it for personal reasons because they don't trust said company any more. And that's perfectly fine for them to do. I for one never said I wouldn't buy from them again. and as for Christine, if they're gonna F it up, I'd rather they cancel it.

and yes you CAN complain about human error IF IT ISN'T RESOLVED. believe me if I had some shoddy work because of human error and just glossed over it I would lose a lot of clients

[Mr Kite]

Guy's one last time nobody knows anything yet regarding TT and the release of Night Of The Living Dead, give them time to sort it.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Come on guys give them time to sort things out. TT are a company like every other out there and i am sure they are going to come up with some answers as soon as they have them.

I agree with this.

It definitely seems like something went wrong here, but at least give them a CHANCE to look into it. I i mean geez, they probably haven't even been in the office since this thing shipped. It's so moronic to keep ranting and raving about how their "service stinks" when there's literally no way they could have addressed anything properly yet.

I ordered 3 copies personally, and I'm not even all that worried about it. Either they replace them, or they don't. But I know if they do need to replace them it's not going to ship out Monday LOL. It could take weeks or even months. All I know is if there is an issue, and it's not fixed then it would greatly change my opinion of their company. However I'm going to give them a chance to look into it accordingly.

[manta53]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

This whole thread has become a "if you remotely like it, you're against those that don't." I don't know why people take such offense to someone who has a different taste.

EXACTLY what I was trying to say yesterday, we all get it some people are just down right outraged and we don't need to read the same people saying it over and over and over again! Get over it if your that angry return your movie and get your money back, simple. Sony knows the popularity of this movie now seeing as it sold out in what 8 days? There's no way its not going to get a wide blu ray release now and I'm sure the transfer will be more to those who's angry tastes.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

I agree with this.

It definitely seems like something went wrong here, but at least give them a CHANCE to look into it. I i mean geez, they probably haven't even been in the office since this thing shipped. It's so moronic to keep ranting and raving about how their "service stinks" when there's literally no way they could have addressed anything properly yet.

I ordered 3 copies personally, and I'm not even all that worried about it. Either they replace them, or they don't. But I know if they do need to replace them it's not going to ship out Monday LOL. It could take weeks or even months. All I know is if there is an issue, and it's not fixed then it would greatly change my opinion of their company. However I'm going to give them a chance to look into it accordingly.

You guys are so lucky in the fact that something will be done i am sure, where as we in the UK don't have this release at all.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by HDMe

Keep in mind... this company doesn't make money unless their titles sell out... They've only sold out 4 or 5 titles to date... and one of those is this very movie that they might find themselves eating returns... They have to be operating on a thin margin and this kind of blowback if not handled properly could start putting nails in their coffin.

They only have to sell 1,500 copies of any one title to break even. Yes, selling out helps cover those titles that fail to achieve that benchmark, but somehow I doubt 1,500 copies are going to be returned.

[Yankees0222]

Yea, the "I'm never going to buy another TT release ever again" comments are a bit extreme. They have released quality release after quality release. They already said they will be taking them back if you are not happy with it... Even if they didnt, you'd probably be able to make back atleast what you paid for it....What's the big effin deal?

I've never seen this movie so I don't have a point of reference. I'll watch my copy and decide what I want to do after.... But even if I don't like the transfer, I still have about 8 TT releases that look absolutely great. It wouldn't change how I feel about the company. They are willing to make it right by issuing returns/refunds for those of you who are unhappy. this constant bashing is getting a little annoying.

[HorrorBlu]

Originally Posted by manta53

There's no way its not going to get a wide blu ray release now and I'm sure the transfer will be more to those who's angry tastes.

Not for the next three years, as per Twilight Time / Sony's contract.

[AndrewFM]

Originally Posted by wormraper

no, I agree with you, most of the "I'll never buy again from them" won't make much difference to the company. but I do know that many people do it for personal reasons because they don't trust said company any more. And that's perfectly fine for them to do. I for one never said I wouldn't buy from them again. and as for Christine, if they're gonna F it up, I'd rather they cancel it.

and yes you CAN complain about human error IF IT ISN'T RESOLVED. believe me if I had some shoddy work because of human error and just glossed over it I would lose a lot of clients

ISN'T RESOLVED!??! The discs arrived YESTERDAY, way ahead of the October 9th release date we were expecting them to ship on. Give them a chance. God, have you done anything for the last two days but pester them?

[odriley]

Why is it that anytime Star Wars gets some change made to it, I get to hear a million Star Wars fans up in arms about it.

THEN a movie I love... sure it aint Star Wars... just a little horror flick... gets CHANGED. Yes changed from how its always looked...and the people who are upset about it are labeled whiny!

You guys who are ok with the change, thats fine..power to you...enjoy!

We are all supposed to be fans of film here, though. We spend our time on a damn movie format message board for christs sake. So why would any fan of film be OK with the altering of a movie 20 years after release? Yes i get some of you like it better...but that doesnt make it right.

Just as fans of film can you at least admit to that much?

And fyi, speaking for me personally, this is what led to my being upset yesterday: First off ive been dying to have this on blu. Its a favorite of mine. So I was excited all day and watched the tracking on my phone to see if it would get to me. Then I start hearing the news about the BLUE factor. So I get home, pop it in and sure enough...its s***. So I went to their facebook and saw people were already asking about it. THEN heres what happened that I think set a lot of people off. The responses we were getting wasnt that it would be looked into. It was that "oh well i guess the tech team blah blah". That made it seem like this issue was going to be ignored.

Now theyve announced they will look into it this week. GREAT! Thats all most of us wanted. For them to check it out. If it is an error than maybe we will get this fixed and that will be great. I remember when OPERA was first released by Anchor Bay and there was a screw up on it. They simply said Send it back and we will fix it. No big deal. If they had been more professional right away and said theyd look into it instead of blowing us off with a few mis-guided responses, then it wouldnt have been a big deal.

So now im just waiting to see what the next step is and what they hear back from Sony.

To be attacked though by fellow boardies because we are upset that the movie has been changed from the way it has Always looked for 20 years... that boggles my mind more than anything TT has done.

So again, if you like the new blue, dark version... good. You now own Night on bluray just like you want it. For those of us who want our movie to look like its supposed to, we have the right to want that as well and to b**** about it. Welcome to the internet.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by AndrewFM

ISN'T RESOLVED!??! The discs arrived YESTERDAY, way ahead of the October 9th release date we were expecting them to ship on. Give them a chance. God, have you done anything for the last two days but pester them?

uh, no, I made one email asking if I could return my opened copy... nothing more was said to them. I never made a facebook post, I never called them, I emailed them once, politely. I'm DISCUSSING it here with other fans, nothing more.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by odriley

Why is it that anytime Star Wars gets some change made to it, I get to hear a million Star Wars fans up in arms about it.

THEN a movie I love... sure it aint Star Wars... just a little horror flick... gets CHANGED. Yes changed from how its always looked...and the people who are upset about it are labeled whiny!

You guys who are ok with the change, thats fine..power to you...enjoy!

We are all supposed to be fans of film here, though. We spend our time on a damn movie format message board for christs sake. So why would any fan of film be OK with the altering of a movie 20 years after release? Yes i get some of you like it better...but that doesnt make it right.

Just as fans of film can you at least admit to that much?

And fyi, speaking for me personally, this is what led to my being upset yesterday: First off ive been dying to have this on blu. Its a favorite of mine. So I was excited all day and watched the tracking on my phone to see if it would get to me. Then I start hearing the news about the BLUE factor. So I get home, pop it in and sure enough...its s***. So I went to their facebook and saw people were already asking about it. THEN heres what happened that I think set a lot of people off. The responses we were getting wasnt that it would be looked into. It was that "oh well i guess the tech team blah blah". That made it seem like this issue was going to be ignored.

Now theyve announced they will look into it this week. GREAT! Thats all most of us wanted. For them to check it out. If it is an error than maybe we will get this fixed and that will be great. I remember when OPERA was first released by Anchor Bay and there was a screw up on it. They simply said Send it back and we will fix it. No big deal. If they had been more professional right away and said theyd look into it instead of blowing us off with a few mis-guided responses, then it wouldnt have been a big deal.

So now im just waiting to see what the next step is and what they hear back from Sony.

To be attacked though by fellow boardies because we are upset that the movie has been changed from the way it has Always looked for 20 years... that boggles my mind more than anything TT has done.

So again, if you like the new black, dark version... good. You now own Night on bluray just like you want it. For those of us who want our movie to look like its supposed to, we have the right to want that as well and to ***** about it. Welcome to the internet.

understand completely, It's ridiculous.

[prozacnation1978]

So what's up. Did something happen to the bluray transfer or did people just not get their copies in yet??
I got mine in the mail yesterday fell asleep last night. Yet to see it yet

[AndrewFM]

Originally Posted by odriley

Why is it that anytime Star Wars gets some change made to it, I get to hear a million Star Wars fans up in arms about it.

THEN a movie I love... sure it aint Star Wars... just a little horror flick... gets CHANGED. Yes changed from how its always looked...and the people who are upset about it are labeled whiny!

You guys who are ok with the change, thats fine..power to you...enjoy!

We are all supposed to be fans of film here, though. We spend our time on a damn movie format message board for christs sake. So why would any fan of film be OK with the altering of a movie 20 years after release? Yes i get some of you like it better...but that doesnt make it right.

Just as fans of film can you at least admit to that much?

And fyi, speaking for me personally, this is what led to my being upset yesterday: First off ive been dying to have this on blu. Its a favorite of mine. So I was excited all day and watched the tracking on my phone to see if it would get to me. Then I start hearing the news about the BLUE factor. So I get home, pop it in and sure enough...its s***. So I went to their facebook and saw people were already asking about it. THEN heres what happened that I think set a lot of people off. The responses we were getting wasnt that it would be looked into. It was that "oh well i guess the tech team blah blah". That made it seem like this issue was going to be ignored.

Now theyve announced they will look into it this week. GREAT! Thats all most of us wanted. For them to check it out. If it is an error than maybe we will get this fixed and that will be great. I remember when OPERA was first released by Anchor Bay and there was a screw up on it. They simply said Send it back and we will fix it. No big deal. If they had been more professional right away and said theyd look into it instead of blowing us off with a few mis-guided responses, then it wouldnt have been a big deal.

So now im just waiting to see what the next step is and what they hear back from Sony.

To be attacked though by fellow boardies because we are upset that the movie has been changed from the way it has Always looked for 20 years... that boggles my mind more than anything TT has done.

So again, if you like the new black, dark version... good. You now own Night on bluray just like you want it. For those of us who want our movie to look like its supposed to, we have the right to want that as well and to ***** about it. Welcome to the internet.

Well, opinion plays a big part. Star Wars and NOTLD are not the only movies changed significantly. Halloween, Aliens, French Connection all have been changed significantly. French Connection wasn't just a colour correction error, it wasn't even a true HD transfer so that got changed and reissued, but Halloween and Aliens are both completely untrue to the films we all took into our hearts, in terms of colour. In Aliens' case, it was definetely Cameron's intentions so apparently most forgave it (not me, the director should get his shot, but not as the expense of the movie I like) and, besides the HD was definetely an upgrade in terms of detail, colour, sound etc.

Halloween was apparently nothing to do with DP Dean Cundey or director John Carpenter, but no real outcry from the horror community as far as I can tell. Detail, noticeably, was improved on the HD so it was an upgrade for most concerned (and the last DVD release had this same colour scheme, so it wasn't as big of a shock).

With Night, clearly some shots have lost a lot of detail (especially the front of the car in that one screen), but for a lot of it there's a lot of detail gained. In some shots of the graveyard I am stunned by how good it looks, later in the house, despite the darkness it looks a lot more detailed. So it comes down to a trade off, should I pick the detail or the film I know and love? Whether this is a mistake at some point that can/should be rectified is up in the air. Ultimately, I think most of us are not trying to stifle your point of view, it's just the attacking of Twilight Time before they've done anything. Whether you realise it or not, your (collective) posts here are probably inspiring some of the annoying vitriol on the TT facebook page.

Oh, another two sprang to mind - BASKET CASE and THE HILLS HAVE EYES PART 2. The blu-ray for BASKET had a blue tint added throughout, by director's own preference, and HILLS 2 was fullscreen with a washed out contrast ratio that stank to high heaven - lots of good reviews though, but then most of them didn't see Anchor Bay UK's DVD for said title, which had much better colours, occasionally better detail, original mono (not lossless like the BD), 5.1 Dolby Surround Sound and 5.1 DTS - a definete downgrade.